Hopefully that day is never.
What are your gripes/criticism of TiTs?
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If I'm not mistaken, this was a carry-over from the original CoC, where the "wings" slot was reserved for anything that is positioned the back of the character (like the modern "back bling"), so only one type can define what it is. Now for TiTS, it can be a variety of things, from fins, to wings, to tentacles--but it is only one slot. Whether or not it would be a coding nightmare is up to the coder, but yes, going back to account for any situation where needing to mention both at the same time would be highly tedious and probably unnecessary work.
"Sharpies" (shark-harpies/sirens, the precursor of the suula) did exist in the CoC days and any back fin is either non-existent, not mentioned, or just implied via reader imagination. Not every detail has to be mechanically supported, especially for something so cosmetic. That said, think of the back slot more as "what is the main thing that goes here" rather than "this is the only thing that ever goes here".
Yeah, I think most players use TFs more for the sake of character customization than a fetish onto itself (and I'm one of them). I've barely touched CoC2, but I much prefer that game's targeted TF system over the RNG-fest of TiTS for this reason.
To be a bit blunt: I don't think majority of the TiTS playerbase actually wants a transformation-fetish game, but instead a game where you get to fuck around in a wide universe with a highly-customizable player character. The TFs are just the vehicle for getting to that perfect self-insert. To be fair, there's basically no RPGs (let alone porn RPGs) that have the same level of granularity as TiTS/CoC2/CoC when it comes to character customization, and that's a huge part of what makes these games special. Significantly cutting down on the customization options for the player character in a future games would probably alienate a lot of current TiTS fans and will have to garner a different audience.
It's already possible to do that, but the 'level of depth' required is likely years off. At least if my experiences using LMStudio to run an LLM locally for the 'game' Formamorph are anything to go by. Hardware is the main limiting factor for what models that you can use, and the AI race is not being kind to the prices of consumer electronics.
Aw hell naw, where do these people even came from?
The day that these games start including LLM bullshit is the day I fuck off and find a new hobby.
God DAMN did I trigger some folks here, who DIDN'T FUCKING READ what I said. I am not saying I want an LLM - hence the enshittification comment. I am saying that unless you somehow generate the content procedurally, you cannot have a system as complex and customizable as TITS tries to be that takes all the variants into account, and that right now the only thing that is even REMOTELY in the ballpark would be LLMs, and even those are at least 5 years away from what would be needed. Now, if any of you who actually have any background in computer science want to weigh in on a means by which you could procedurally generate the needed content by some other means, I'd be glad to hear it - hell, I'd be glad to help fund it, if it actually viable.
But "background in computer science" is not the same as "durr I can has right-click?"
But "background in computer science" is not the same as "durr I can has right-click?"
I think the thing you're missing is that most people don't actually want absolute perfection all that bad. Like, would it be cool? Sure. But the occasional small scene not accounting for a very specific TF is something people will go "Aw, anyway" and move on from.
We don't need to chase perfection via procedural generation or LLMs or anything of that variety. This is not a major obstacle that's holding the game back, it's a very mild immersion break that you may or may not notice.
Throwing in my input as one of the minority who is actually playing for TF kink reasons.
TFing in CoC2 feels like busywork to me more than anything. It doesn't feel like an action a character would take in that situation, and if I just wanted to shift the values around to something specific I'd just save edit.
The whole point of using items to TF for me is the idea of actually having the character experience that transformation. For it to have a physical or mental effect- even a minor one- that leaves its mark on them. I end up making a lot of Treated laquines just because they're long-term early game transformations that add something to what's otherwise routine gameplay, and I tend to go with items that have cumulative or overdose effects for similar reasons.
The only other porn game I can think of that's really comparable in scratching that specific itch is Flexible Survival, which has spottier writing imo and a lot of content that's niche enough you might not even know it exists if you play the wrong kind of character. TiTS is a good middle ground for that reason; removing the actual interesting aspects of the TF process basically kills my interest in playing at all.
YES THANK YOU OMG!!!
This was my exact reaction to the alchemy system!
Like, I get it, save scumming to get what you want is annoying as fuck. There's a reason I have so many hours in the save editor.
But like, I feel like they went a bit too far in the other direction.
Maybe instead they should have used alchemy as more of a framing device instead of an actual mechanic, and just make it so your character just needs to gather the species specific ingredients, then has all the body part specific ingredients on hand at the crafting station to make what you specifically need, you know?
Or, alternatively, if you don't want to go all the way back to town, you can just throw it in a pot and chug the resulting sinister elixir and hope you get lucky! Maybe even being able to throw multiple different things in the same pot to get a bunch all at once!