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Animalistic

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That's probably not gonna be a thing.
I do not mean them literally living there for all eternity. Or even temporary. Like, I would kick any of them out personally if they so as much think about living off me. But I mean as a place where we will all be able to meet and talk. Chose who will be able to take with us, who not.
 

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I am not really giving the developers benefit of the doubt with anything related to this. Since this all just seems like a way to huge jump in station. From adventurer to baron. Like, that seems something you reserve for post credit scene. Since titles like that usually come with expectations from the player. And rarely does it pay off in any meaningful way in the story and gameplay . And they usually have miniscule impact on how people act around us.
I mean, I can name three crpgs off the top of my head that have a similar thing, and I know both myself and wsan have played and fucking love one of them, and another is one of Savin's favorite games (and the basis of a huge chunk of this game). There's also at least two other porn games I can think of that do something similar.

Not to mention the fact that because this is something we've had planned in some form since the beginning, we've been able to account for the PC eventually becoming titled and its impact going forward.
 

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I mean, I can name three crpgs off the top of my head that have a similar thing, and I know both myself and wsan have played and fucking love one of them, and another is one of Savin's favorite games (and the basis of a huge chunk of this game). There's also at least two other porn games I can think of that do something similar.

Not to mention the fact that because this is something we've had planned in some form since the beginning, we've been able to account for the PC eventually becoming titled and its impact going forward.
First, what games? I am on old school binge. And porn ones are fine to.

Second, one out of 3 were great? Are you saying that this has 66.66 chance to suck/be OK? Heh.

Lastly, I am going into this pessimistic. Since you are all promising to much and it usually blows up in my face if I give you to much benefit. I still have no idea whar corruption entails for example. Much less what being baron does. And going about it this way will make me more happy if I am proven wrong. Or not as dissatisfied if proven right.
 

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Second, one out of 3 were great? Are you saying that this has 33.33 chance to suck/be OK? Heh.
No, I'm saying one out of three of those is one of my favorites of all time and is well enjoyed by one of our most prolific writers, another is one of savin's (so that's already two out of three) and I didn't talk about it in detail because I haven't played enough of it to give truly informed opinions but generally liked it, and I didn't talk about the third because while I enjoyed it greatly I couldn't speak for any of my fellow's opinions on the subject matter, as I'm but one of the team
 

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No, I'm saying one out of three of those is one of my favorites of all time and is well enjoyed by one of our most prolific writers, another is one of savin's (so that's already two out of three) and I didn't talk about it in detail because I haven't played enough of it to give truly informed opinions but generally liked it, and I didn't talk about the third because while I enjoyed it greatly I couldn't speak for any of my fellow's opinions on the subject matter, as I'm but one of the team
At least give me names. So that I can play and see what inspired all of you to take such undertaking.
 

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But can you have sex with the trebuchet?

Can you impregnate the trebuchet?

Yes and yes. There is nothing sexier than a mighty seige weapon that is pregnant with trebuche/human hybrids. The Frost marches shall be impenetrable.
 

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I hope we can get seige weapons to defend our land. I want a trebuche with boulders that have "to whom it may concern" carved on them.
This is Savarra, you gotta think bigger. We know Meira can manipulate fluids with magic so it must be something other people could learn to do. Think of a trebuchet launching huge globs of corrupted honey to render attackers fuck-happy and helpless. Or if you can get enough of a supply (in fact, maybe we could hire Meira and some of her sisters....) you could use cum instead, bringing a new meaning to the term 'jizzbomb'.

While we're at it, forget spring-loaded spike traps to protect the interior against intruders, those are for amateurs. Pros know you use dildos instead.
 

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This is Savarra, you gotta think bigger. We know Meira can manipulate fluids with magic so it must be something other people could learn to do. Think of a trebuchet launching huge globs of corrupted honey to render attackers fuck-happy and helpless. Or if you can get enough of a supply (in fact, maybe we could hire Meira and some of her sisters....) you could use cum instead, bringing a new meaning to the term 'jizzbomb'.
Just kill them with bow and an arrow. Burn them with fire ball. Shoot defensive cannons at them. Most of the time, the most effective solution is the simple one.
 
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Just kill them with bow and an arrow. Burn them with fire ball. Shoot defensive cannons at them. Most of the time, the most effective solution is the simple one.

But it's not the fun solution. That's the important part.
 

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Ey, if you prefer to rape your intruders instead of killing them, that is on you. If someone is aiming at my castle, I get to defend it how I want. Or at least how game allows me.

PS: I wanted to write unwanted intruders but I feel like that would be redundant. Since wanted ones do not exist.

Also, I do hope that we get subjects or something. An army would be an overkill.
 
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Since this all just seems like a way to huge jump in station. From adventurer to baron. Like, that seems something you reserve for post credit scene.

You realize that "Do something great in the eyes of the royal family, become a noble!" is literally how monarchies throughout the ages behaved, right? We still have it in the United Kingdom.

The jump in station is not nearly as high as you imagine either. Baron is the lowest tier of feudal land ownership. They're not even part of the peerage in most cases and are usually adressed as generic Lords or Ladies rather than Baron or Baroness. Considering that Ryn and her people own more land than they can inhabit (even the Winter City is only half full) giving away one crumbling fortress conveniently located to protect the city isn't actually as hard a decision to make.

Additionally, almost the entire nobility (with two exceptions, Ryn herself and the new bailiff) was abducted by Kasyrra and will either die or be turned into demons. Ryn would've needed to appoint new nobility anyway.
 

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You realize that "Do something great in the eyes of the royal family, become a noble!" is literally how monarchies throughout the ages behaved, right? We still have it in the United Kingdom.

The jump in station is not nearly as high as you imagine either. Baron is the lowest tier of feudal land ownership. They're not even part of the peerage in most cases and are usually adressed as generic Lords or Ladies rather than Baron or Baroness. Considering that Ryn and her people own more land than they can inhabit (even the Winter City is only half full) giving away one crumbling fortress conveniently located to protect the city isn't actually as hard a decision to make.

Additionally, almost the entire nobility (with two exceptions, Ryn herself and the new bailiff) was abducted by Kasyrra and will either die or be turned into demons. Ryn would've needed to appoint new nobility anyway.

Plus we not only cleared the roads, but we exposed the queen as a perverted sociopath who had dealings with demons. What we did is very significant and, in my opinion, warrants that recognition. And it's not like it's just "oh player chan you're so cool, please rule over us!" It's them giving us a title and a broken fortress in an important location that has a lot of potential. And Ryn needs someone she can trust to be in charge.
 

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You realize that "Do something great in the eyes of the royal family, become a noble!" is literally how monarchies throughout the ages behaved, right? We still have it in the United Kingdom.

The jump in station is not nearly as high as you imagine either. Baron is the lowest tier of feudal land ownership. They're not even part of the peerage in most cases and are usually adressed as generic Lords or Ladies rather than Baron or Baroness. Considering that Ryn and her people own more land than they can inhabit (even the Winter City is only half full) giving away one crumbling fortress conveniently located to protect the city isn't actually as hard a decision to make.

Additionally, almost the entire nobility (with two exceptions, Ryn herself and the new bailiff) was abducted by Kasyrra and will either die or be turned into demons. Ryn would've needed to appoint new nobility anyway.
In context of the game it is. It all happens over the night. We basically went from living in Garths attic to living in elven basement. While having new set of responsibilities. And if most of Elven nobility is not availed, then being a Baron is a high prestige. Especially to what mu champion was before that.

But than again, what kind of fool would become the underling of Ryn? I say, just refuse the pointy ears and build it with the help of demon cat.

Plus we not only cleared the roads, but we exposed the queen as a perverted sociopath who had dealings with demons. What we did is very significant and, in my opinion, warrants that recognition. And it's not like it's just "oh player chan you're so cool, please rule over us!" It's them giving us a title and a broken fortress in an important location that has a lot of potential. And Ryn needs someone she can trust to be in charge.
Knowing Ryn, she probably just did it to have champion-san notice her. She seems desperate enough. Other elves even comment on it how she does that so that she could lead us to marry her.

Also, there is a difference between being a fighter and a land owner/diplomat. Just because we can fight does not mean we can rule over some land. Now, In the end we can, but it does seem kind of silly to allow us that kind of power just because we kicked ass of a pregnant woman.
 
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In context of the game it is. It all happens over the night. We basically went from living in Garths attic to living in elven basement. While having new set of responsibilities. And if most of Elven nobility is not availed, then being a Baron is a high prestige. Especially to what mu champion was before that.

But than again, what kind of fool would become the underling of Ryn? I say, just refuse the pointy ears and build it with the help of demon cat.

What's wrong with Ryn? She's still submissive, even with high confidence, so it's not like she'll really exercise much control over us. And the Winter City quest was extremely significant for the Boreal elves, so even an overnight appointment can make sense.
 
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What's wrong with Ryn? She's still submissive, even with high confidence, so it's not like she'll really exercise much control over us. And the Winter City quest was extremely significant for the Boreal elves, so even an overnight appointment can make sense.
You are still putting yourself under her rule. Now sure, even us being able to rebuild it at all is all thanks to her consideration. She is letting us keep it. But it is still better to not make that fact official. That would ruin our champions image.

Still, if later in the game we are able to turn on her, than I will become her baron. As this dialogue alludes to, I at least assume.
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As of now, that prospect does not appeal to me.
 
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In context of the game it is. It all happens over the night. We basically went from living in Garths attic to living in elven basement.
Ennoblement happening practically overnight happens. For example, there was about a three week gap between the Battle of Trafalgar and one of its participants being made a Baron, and most of that was taken up by the time it took for the news of the battle to reach the King in the first place. Given the circumstances in the Winter City and what we did for the Var Riddel line, it's not really any surprise that they made a quick job of it.

Knowing Ryn, she probably just did it to havr champion-san notice her.
Or you could try reading the text and Ryn's reasons for it instead of inventing your own. You kinda just saved her city from demonic corruption and put her in power as regent and she wanted to do something special to thank you.

Other elves even comment on it how she does that so that she could lead us on to marry us.
Hethia, who's a catty bitch to Ryn during Dog Days and enjoys making comments like that just to get a rise out of her. You only see that scene when Ryn has high Confidence, which means it's fair for the writers to assume that the Champion has been putting a lot of effort into the relationship, and that Hethai's pointing out what's obvious to everyone regarding how she feels for you.

Also, there is a difference between being a fighter and a land owner/diplomat. Just because we can fight does not mean we can rule over some land.
Which is one of the reasons that Daliza is there.
 

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Ennoblement happening practically overnight happens. For example, there was about a three week gap between the Battle of Trafalgar and one of its participants being made a Baron, and most of that was taken up by the time it took for the news of the battle to reach the King in the first place. Given the circumstances in the Winter City and what we did for the Var Riddel line, it's not really any surprise that they made a quick job of it.
Hmm, while from my modern world view, that seems to quick. Kind of like putting me in charge of a bank for preventing a robbery. I can at least see it has some historical backing to it. And hey, I am not complaining. Just questioning. And there is a difference.

Or you could try reading the text and Ryn's reasons for it instead of inventing your own. You kinda just saved her city from demonic corruption and put her in power as regent and she wanted to do something special to thank you.
True true. But "I am desperate woman" seems to play bigger role for her. At least to me. Because she loves us so much. She just wants to give a present to her presumed lover.

Hethia, who's a catty bitch to Ryn during Dog Days and enjoys making comments like that just to get a rise out of her. You only see that scene when Ryn has high Confidence, which means it's fair for the writers to assume that the Champion has been putting a lot of effort into the relationship, and that Hethai's pointing out what's obvious to everyone regarding how she feels for you.
I just hugged her 10 times. Not really high amount of effort. But because of her rape riddled past, any type of affection on our part seems like it comes from place of love. She is just dumb enough to fall for us. But than again, she is nothing special in that regard. She is just much easier to access to.

Which is one of the reasons that Daliza is there.
Ey, if you need someone to look over you, more/less power to you.

OK, besides this, I have to ask, what land do we take control off? Like, no one seems to live anywhere neer us that we seem to have power over.
 
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And besides, I can't think of anyone better suited for the role of new nobility than the Champion considering how many diplomatic relations they make during their journey heck you can marry a freaking foreign ex princess that just consolidated her power over a large group of people.
 
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And hey, I am not complaining. Just questioning
Yeah, I'm not buying this because:
Ey, if you need someone to look over you, more/less power to you.
You say it's silly to give someone who may not be experienced as an administrator a position of responsibility, then you bitch that having someone take some of the burden off our shoulders is a bad thing. You might as well just admit you're looking for things to whine about, just like you've used this entire topic to complain about things that haven't happened, because you're 'concerned' that the team can't pull it off.
 

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And besides, I can't think of anyone better suited for the role of new nobility than the Champion considering how many diplomatic relations they make during their journey heck you can marry a freaking foreign ex princess that just consolidated her power over a large group of people.
Marriage to Kiyoko will have as much impact on our status as marrying a pesent/Berwyn. Considering Kitsune isolationist stance on outside relationsh. At least not untill the end game.
 

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Btw take your knife-level edge and dull it down a little will ya? I swear at this point you're just making stuff up to complain about.
 

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Yeah, I'm not buying this because:

You say it's silly to give someone who may not be experienced as an administrator a position of responsibility, then you bitch that having someone take some of the burden off our shoulders is a bad thing. You might as well just admit you're looking for things to whine about, just like you've used this entire topic to complain about things that haven't happened, because you're 'concerned' that the team can't pull it off.
True true. Little help is always welcomed. And yeah, at the end of the day, we can not rebuild wayfort without asking for help at first. I just think that giving some of your power to larger entity such as elfs seem counterproductive in making your name. Especially submitting to the biggest sub of this game. Having Ryn as your queen makes me feel kind of silly.

And I mean, I do have so many doubts about this whole Wayfort thing. And they are based from my personal experience with the game and content I interacted with. So I am going to wait and see.
 

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You say it's silly to give someone who may not be experienced as an administrator a position of responsibility.
Agreed even experienced administrators have eyes and ears since they can't be everywhere at once.

Marriage to Kiyoko will have as much impact on our status as marrying a pesent/Berwyn. Considering Kitsune isolationist stance on outside relationsh. At least not untill the end game.
That's why it's handy to get that ball rolling and what better way to get your foot in the door to change that stance then by marrying yourself into that.
 

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I know the words being used in this discussion, but do not understand the order they're presented in.

What I am taking from this though is that Garth is still going to have at least nine horny freeloading murderhobos in his tavern.
 

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I know the words being used in this discussion, but do not understand the order they're presented in.

What I am taking from this though is that Garth is still going to have at least nine horny freeloading murderhobos in his tavern.

That sounds like a Garth problem. We need the space. For stuff, you know. A hot tub, oversized siege weapons, the rest of our harem, some guests, maybe the world's largest dildo, a massive collection of sex toys, and a bdsm dungeon. We need every free room available. Garth knew what he was getting into.
 
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That's why it's handy to get that ball rolling and what better way to get your foot in the door to change that stance then by marrying yourself into that.
If Kiyoko/kitsune get to interact any way with the plot, I am going to be impressed. But yeah, I can see our champion being catalyst for them opening up. We are going to go all 19th century America on there isolationist weebish asses.