Steele's harem census
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Well, I'm almost certain that you saw the code after it was fixed and set properly for the game, so all you're saying is that the coders did a good job with a messy pile.
It's not that it's hard, it's that it is very tedious because of all the variations. "Codemonster" or "nightmare to code" doesn't mean it requires some sort of intermediate programming knowledge, just that it takes twice as long or more to implement what is effectively the same amount of content. Coding TiTS scenes is already a pretty bland and time-consuming process, compounding that just leads to burn out.
Also, I recommend you drop the pretentious code guru shtick. It's very grating.
What Aullama and Emerald said.
Your focusing on the finished product and not the process in making it.
You are essentially looking at a finished boat and then go look at its blueprints and say, "Hey that looks easy" when the process of building the boat initially, had no blueprints to look at. At the time that made coding it a tedious and time consuming to do, almost to the point of driving someone to exhaustion.
The way you write your posts makes it look like you believe yourself to be some Coding Guru, knowing all this stuff and telling people whats easy or hard. Id like to see you code some big projects here instead of comparing other people's code to whatever you are using as a base.
Quick sum of the whole thing though: Bess Coding wasn't about the quality of coding, It was about the SHEER amount of quantity in it. That was what caused the problems.
Tbh, I wouldn't be able to think of any legit reason she would want to be a slightly shorter munchkin anyways if she were a Kaithrit, although if she was born tall, I imagine she would be shy about her height. Though to the point of wanting to be a short little kitty, I doubt she would, lmao. Nekomatas are pretty beastly anyways so the amazonian tallness would fit her."Why?"
"Why not?"
I may be wrong, of course. If I am, could you tell me why, please? I can't say I am interested in a shy catgirl character enough to go through a GDoc which contents are more than half of those of effing Ben/Bess
Her content should hopefully be in the game in a matter of days so you won't have to trawl through the entire doc to see! It's largely connected to her background anyways, which pretty much ties into her 2nd expac content, in a ways.
To add to this, this is also one reason I changed her height to 5'0 from 5'8, since it goes well outside of the range of normal Kaithrit female height standards, but moreso fits a human range of height, though on the shorter side.
Ah, you shouldn't had bothered, if height was part of your idea of the character.
Isn't there a huge muscled Kaithrit on one of the bars? (the one you can booze around). And besides... being unusually tall would have been a good reason of why she is shy. For example, one of my best friends is nearly 2 meters tall, and 130-140 kilos, and looks like a shaved gorilla. Despite being a planet in itself, and looking intimidating (he's also a Prison Guard), he's very timid when it comes to relationships. Another friend is almost the same height but skinny, tho he's one of the handsomest guys I know, despite girls melting at his feet, he's really shy and spent years before he had an actual relationship. And both are the cuddly, romantic type, very much like Fisianna.
It would make total sense for her to have her height as a sort of complex that makes her shy, considering that Kais are short and agile, she would feel out of place.
What? Where did you get that? Kaithrit females are described as amazon-like for the most part, being on average taller than not only kaithrit males but also average human males.
Yes of course I refer to the current state - I entered the topic when someone said nobody would touch bess now because coding it would be to hard.
And yes - the coder did a good job (In the text you quoted I directly said as much). Fact is, for an expansion today it does not really matter if it was difficult to do in the past.
I posted in this thread because I was looking for difficult code to see what engine enhancement/functionality could make it easier for content creators to realise their visions - and apart from the sex scenes that I have to look at again I did not find that much horrible code in this file.
It's a hassle, inconvenient, not worth the time, etc.
No one ever said it was difficult. This is a concept you came up with on your own, and it really seems like you're trying to come off as intelligent by refuting it's difficulty or coming to help all the poor coding peons that make TiTS.
If you think you can make the system better, do it and submit a pull request.
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I don't see how the amount of existing and revised code could be detrimental to expanding a well developed and received character, but if that is my invention then it is my problem.
To you and others: stop worrying about my coding abilities - it's usually good enough.
No I'm not perfect. And neither is the tits source: there are bugs (some of which I have reported), there are inefficiencies (some of which I have reported) and there are bad coding practices - like in any code base (mine included).
Let's be real: stuffing 80% of the code of a substantial program into one class is not good code, effectively eliminating scope (in code and data) is not good code, using recursion where it is not necessary or simplifies the algorithm is not good code, creating new class instances all over the place for comparison purposes and then discarding them (if possible in a loop) is not good code and yes IMHO 600 lines functions with 5 level of nested conditionals is not good code.
And finally: Stop assuming and read what I actually write - I was looking for problematic code and apart from the sex functions did not really find what I thought would be there... code so bad that nobody would want to touch it.
To you and others: stop worrying about my coding abilities - it's usually good enough.
No I'm not perfect. And neither is the tits source: there are bugs (some of which I have reported), there are inefficiencies (some of which I have reported) and there are bad coding practices - like in any code base (mine included).
Let's be real: stuffing 80% of the code of a substantial program into one class is not good code, effectively eliminating scope (in code and data) is not good code, using recursion where it is not necessary or simplifies the algorithm is not good code, creating new class instances all over the place for comparison purposes and then discarding them (if possible in a loop) is not good code and yes IMHO 600 lines functions with 5 level of nested conditionals is not good code.
And finally: Stop assuming and read what I actually write - I was looking for problematic code and apart from the sex functions did not really find what I thought would be there... code so bad that nobody would want to touch it.
Dude..
Just stop, seriously. You obviously don't get what we're trying to get through to you. So just stop. :/
Well he can try add some new scene to Bess/Ben. SInce he make it sounds like "ohh so in that short lunch break I coded two new Bess/Ben scenes" attitude. Better option would be for him personaly try code it and then feel it first hand what Gedan felt and not wanna fell again. Only we not have any new scene for him to even try code since noone want touch this monster or write for her/him any new stuff xD
Why are the non-coding folks with only hearsay from whatever Gedan and company mention throwing their weight around on the issue? Bess was a messy doc with a lot of variables in it, it's not impossible to continue making content for them. Adding more variables might be an issue as it implied further customization which would be an issue for already written scenes, as well as simply hitting JimT's artistic qualities, but beyond that...
Stop harping the vague community meme as if ya'll really knew what you were talking about. @adev I recommend PMing Gedan if you really want to try that rabbit hole for information.
Stop harping the vague community meme as if ya'll really knew what you were talking about. @adev I recommend PMing Gedan if you really want to try that rabbit hole for information.
Honestly, I was thinking the same.
Guys, what if Adev actually finds the current coding easy? Maybe he is that good, and the file in it's current state (which is what he's saying) is easy to understand for him. Sure, he might not be a developer/contributor, but judging him by what he thinks, based on what you think someone else thinks is neither correct, polite or nice.
I bring the matter because I got the same treatment: threw a simple opinion/suggestion, and soon it was a mob linch speaking on someone else's name (who apparently didn't even had an issue with what I was saying), and twisting or misunderstanding what I was trying to say, judging and treating me like shit.
And I see this happening a lot here.
Is not cool for the one that is trying to start a conversation or making a simple opinion, and is not cool for the forum itself, having a rash fan base that might scare off new fans. I've been hanging around some other places because I got "scared off" from here (actually, I was pissed off), and when commented about this forum, the usual reply was "I don't hang around there, they're a bunch of stuck ups" (words were actually less... educated), despite the game/s (CoCs and TiTs) being regarded as top examples of good games.
And I'm not trying to start a fight, or judging anyone, to the contrary, I enjoy being around discussing TiTs, just as much as old fans here, or new ones trying to get to the party. That's why we're all here, after all, by interest in the game.
I don't see what's the offense of Adev's comments. he's saying that what he sees in the file, can be worked out. He's not making a fool of himself, to the contrary, he's taking the work of looking at the files, bringing specific data (number and more numbers), and calling for specific details of coding... which is a lot more coherent (and tells me at least he knows what he's talking about) than just yelling "you don't know, shut up".
Peace!
We already have an overflow of writers, its always been code that holds the game back since the backlog of stuff to code has never run dry. If Adev is even at an intermediate level of skill it would help tremendously to have more hands in the nitty gritty.
Technically it is his thread, and he is sticking to what it is about, so not really a necropost.
It is my intention to keep this list relevant and useful for other players that may wish to use it for reference by updating it when authors add new lovers/fuckbuddies (even if it is not always easy to understand when a new NPC or content fits) or crewmembers. I think it is best if I add a notice about it to the thread, and I welcome people to provide ideas and suggestions by posting. If this interferes with someone else's notions of necro'ing a thread, I'm sorry.
I think it may be simpler this way than me posting a new, duplicate thread every time new harem content is added to the game. However, if you wish, I suppose I could post new threads for the updated list, perhaps by adding date in the title to keep them distinct. Just tell me what looks best for the forum.
@Ormael Thank you for reminding me about Pippa. Her new content had escaped my notice. Going to change her from planetbound fuckbuddy to crewmember waifu.
I think it may be simpler this way than me posting a new, duplicate thread every time new harem content is added to the game. However, if you wish, I suppose I could post new threads for the updated list, perhaps by adding date in the title to keep them distinct. Just tell me what looks best for the forum.
@Ormael Thank you for reminding me about Pippa. Her new content had escaped my notice. Going to change her from planetbound fuckbuddy to crewmember waifu.
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Yay for new crewmembers, but it goes w/o saying that with maximum crew size having grown to a dozen-plus members, the available living space of the Casstech Z-14 looks even more ridiculously inadequate. This is me wishing the ship upgrade weren't gated by the space combat one, which I have scarce interest in. Thankfully at least I prefer Sera as occasional planetbound dom lover and inseminator, not to mention credit source and item seller with a fixed, reliable catalogue, than a sub sex-slave crewmember waifu.
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+1 and +1.
And I'd like to have a male crew recruit, or someone with a real flesh dick.
Btw, just for detail since you've turned your list into a generic list for guide, and have both alternative versions of Sera... wouldn't be worth to add the alternative Sigewulfs? Also for Tam-Wolf, since only the Tech can get his final upgrade. And Pexiga is initially brain-dead, and can be "upgraded" only if you haven't bimbofied Badger first. Technically, they all are "alternative" versions...
I share the feeling, but technically speaking, half of your wish is fulfilled already, since wiki tells me (I'm unwilling to backtrack my playthrough that far to check it personally) sex scenes with sub Sera include Steele playing with Sera'd dick and riding it cowgirl style. I dearly wish this game had a little more vanilla male and female lovers/fuckbuddies, and a little less bloody dickgirls under every stone.
Good point, although alternative, equally developed D/s versions of Sera as Steele's lover belong in different sections of the list, while alternative versions of Siegwulfe, Tam-wolf, and Pexiga are crewmembers nonetheless. So I suppose it might suffice if I just drop their suffixes marking them as a specific version from the list. Theoretically speaking, there are other potential crewmembers that may be played as such or be kept as occasional planetbound lovers/fuckbuddies, but I assume pretty much anyone interested in using this kind of list as a guide would usually prefer to have as big a crew harem as possible. Sera is kind of a special case, I think.
Technically speaking, it is not strictly necessary to be a Tech to acquire the undamaged or 2.0 versions of Tam-wolf, just to have the right level 1-8 Tech perk(s) (I don't know which one(s), but I assume the answer is buried somewhere in githhub code). My class is Mercenary, but since I save edited my way in having all perks from all classes, I got Tam-wolf undamaged and upgraded to 2.0 during the Stellar Tether/Eye of the Beholder quests w/o any difficulty.
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