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Um.. Fen, if you don't mind me asking, how DID you intend New Texas to look and feel?
I get the feeling it goes along these lines, when speech meets text chat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naleynXS7yo
Morally questionable with regards to their way of life - they basically force happy pills on the populace, but overall the people living there have a good life. I didn't think anybody would be quite as skeeved (like Reaha was) out by their parents fucking so much because societal norms would be vastly different over there. "Oh, Mom's got a boyfriend over. Turn up the volume on the Fentendo," would likely be the extent of it.
The whole idea is that New Texas as a planet would be a morally questionable but exciting gray area to explore, attempting to convince PC's to voluntarily bimbofy(or brutify) themselves for fun and boners.
Reaha plumbs the darkest, grayest parts, then turns out the light so it looks straight-up black.
The whole idea is that New Texas as a planet would be a morally questionable but exciting gray area to explore, attempting to convince PC's to voluntarily bimbofy(or brutify) themselves for fun and boners.
Reaha plumbs the darkest, grayest parts, then turns out the light so it looks straight-up black.
You suceeded at that. It's a gray area, an enjoyable one in my book, but still very questionable.
You and Savin complete each other('s ideas)
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Well yes, that's what I mean. Things affect the main character differently than other people. Sometimes this means there's things Steele can't do, like how Dane or Lessau can have extra arms while Steele can't, but usually it works out in Steele's favor, like being able to chug Dumbfuck and still be perfectly capable of adventuring, flying starships, and solving Lights Out puzzles.
And yes, protagonist powers also cover how Steele wins almost every fight. Kara losing virtually every non-random fight in The Silence doesn't technically make her weaker in an objective sense, but it certainly caters to a presentation that she's out of her depth where Steele isn't.
(For anybody wondering, Fen and I took it to PMs and hashed things out. Everything's good to go for Treated Cowtits.)
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Saying "the protagonist wins most fights" is like pointing out that water is wet or gravity holds you down. Taking that to mean that the PC is stronger/better than everyone else reeks of the sort of schoolboy arguments about which comic book character would win in a fight. The answer is that whoever the author wants to write as winning would win - it doesn't make either character objectively better. (Besides, everyone knows Squirrel Girl is the strongest hero.)
In Final Fantasy 6, you suplex a ghost train. The ghost train is obviously a crazy supernatural force that the PC's are lucky to have survived, not a terribly weak shit-heap (even if you overlevel and stomp it).
Treating Kara as a lesser creature because she got forced into too-tough fights in her game (and loses against the PC in TiTS) is super shallow and literally makes me want to write a dungeon where the PC loses every fight and barely survives.
In Final Fantasy 6, you suplex a ghost train. The ghost train is obviously a crazy supernatural force that the PC's are lucky to have survived, not a terribly weak shit-heap (even if you overlevel and stomp it).
Treating Kara as a lesser creature because she got forced into too-tough fights in her game (and loses against the PC in TiTS) is super shallow and literally makes me want to write a dungeon where the PC loses every fight and barely survives.
I mean, it's a different type of game. TiTS, like CoC, is basically a power fantasy where the PC cruises around picking up sexy aliens and fighting pirates, being an action hero. As such, a lot of normal rules don't apply to them, and that's fine.
The Silence, in contrast, is more about a specific narrative, and that narrative is about how Kara got in over her head and got her ass kicked. The decision was made to integrate gameplay and story by having the player lose those fights, rather than have a win condition after which Kara got beat anyway in the ensuing cutscene. And that's also fine.
I'm just pointing out that when you put these two characters adjacent to one another, one is going to look stronger than the other even if statistically they should be on par, because their experiences in the narrative have been different.
The Silence, in contrast, is more about a specific narrative, and that narrative is about how Kara got in over her head and got her ass kicked. The decision was made to integrate gameplay and story by having the player lose those fights, rather than have a win condition after which Kara got beat anyway in the ensuing cutscene. And that's also fine.
I'm just pointing out that when you put these two characters adjacent to one another, one is going to look stronger than the other even if statistically they should be on par, because their experiences in the narrative have been different.
Honestly, my own suspension of disbelief and setting coherence meter demands this kind of naked PC/NPC favoritism be restrained in any fiction or game I fancy. If a PC or NPC can do or not do something not especially important to the story, I expect explicit in-setting reasons for them to be the special exception, otherwise my headcanon writes them in or I expect what a non-special character can do, other characters in similar circumstances can usually do as well. If Steele can chug bimboizing gene/nanotech treatments and remain a competent spacefaring adventuress, it means other people in the setting can do it as well, since nothing in her background indicates she has special immunity. It makes for a much nicer, more pleasant setting to assume so than to imagine she has exceptional resistance and all other subjects are doomed to impotent brainlessness. All it seems to be necessary for bimbofied characters to remain competent is a) to retrain their minds with intellectual stimulation (and it does not show why or how Steele should be exceptional at this; it is not even a leveling issue, anybody can read books or play chess) b) have frequent and regular access to sexual fulfillment (besides masturbation and porn, in this hypersexual liberated society it seems to be little more burdensome for reasonably attractive people than having food, and people that use this stuff get optimized for conventional attractiveness). Even Codex lore indicates Treatment and Dumbfuck subjects do not actually get stupid or brain-damaged, they are just rewired to have a different scale of priorities and need the availability of sexual reward or a state of sexual satiety to perform optimally at tasks not related to libido. In the average playthrough, Treated/Dumbfucked Steele certainly fucks frequently and abundantly enough that this seems to be the case. I see no reason not to assume this would be the case for any other subject in similar circumstances, when taken away from something like NT culture. I tend to blame NT culture more than the Treatment itself for the behavior and social status of NT women.
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Though actually, thinking about it, I wouldn't mind a good horror dungeon where Captain Steele's usual confidence falters and they're put in a desperate survival situation against something their weapons and teases just don't work on, having to run away and hide from it while they look for a way out. I tried to capture a bit of that sense of fear with the janeria, though I'm sure Fen could do better.
When Kashima Incident was being discussed some time ago, I remember similar ideas getting tossed around, though I can't remember by whom and in what exact context.
I guess the actual Kashima quest ended up being something else?
Edit: also, I've always thought that you were going after recreating the RE/Parasite Eve vibes with the Biomedical Facility quest, and both of those aren't exactly pure horror games.
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It's not that, for sure. It's much more Dead Space / Resident Evil kinda survival horror.
There's a quest Ziek wrote for Uveto that's mechanically like that (running from a nigh-unbeatable foe), but it's not horror themed really.
I don't generally release my docs anymore in public. They get vandalized or reported to Google. If you wanna see, link to my Patreon's down in the signature -- I post everything there.
I was. You're supposed to be able to beat the janeria in combat, but Steele's written to be fearful of them instead of responding with their usual swagger, and the background is intended to provoke constant unease due to how fragile the bubble keeping thousands of feet of water out is. It's not pure horror, but it's supposed to show some cracks in Steele's armor. Pure horror would be if nothing worked on the spawn and you had to run away from the encounters while finding another way to stop them and escape alive.
The kashima incident and the deep sea quest Couch is planning out...
The horror lover in me is in for a treat in the future
The horror lover in me is in for a treat in the future
Healthy? Its overdosed looong ago. xD
I've yet to come across a place as friendly as this. Where people actually talk things out, make sense of a problem. Rather then dick measure 24/7.
Noobie, you like everything.
Not true, I don't like males. for one thing.
Okay, this makes much more sense.
No yeah I can see that happening, it's Savin.
Speaking of Savin, this thread is what happens when anyone tries to discuss any of his characters.
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Hey Savin, anything you can tell me about my question on Shade here? I've asked this twice but never got any clarification. https://fenoxo.com/forum/index.php?/topic/4889-im-a-bit-confused/
NFI, Shade's end-post content is a nightmarish tangle of states and conditions.
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