Myrellion Content Discussion (GENERAL)

[ShySquare]

I remember hearing or reading somewhere that when it comes to violence in fiction, America has become desensitized to it due to all of it in movies. But things like sex has become more of a taboo/behind-closed-doors kind of thing. Whereas in other countries, it's the opposite. Again, that's just what I've heard. Feel free to disprove me. I'm just a parrot.

I am actually from Europe, so yeah, you may be right. As a whole, I feel we're a bit less prude about sex, and weapons are strictly regulated, so... Yeah. Probably more sensitive to violence due to cultural differences.

Though what I mean is more like...okay, let's look at the Mess for an example.  You go to the bar and the service really sucks.  You briefly see the proprietor, Beth Carver, and then you're left with the bartender Del to use as you like.  Del complains a bit about being a man being forced to act like a girl, but is only briefly vocal, and soon becomes enthusiastic if you tap that ass or just have him eat your pussy out a few times.  If you talk with Shekka, once you get all the way down into her fairly deep conversation tree you can find out she's concerned about people who've worked there disappearing, and the overall sketchiness of the Mess.

From everything presented you can infer that the Mess is being turned into a brothel, and that Beth is a slaver doing something with the raskvel she hires.  Going to Beth's Busty Broads on Tavros, which you may or may not have done at this point, will help confirm that she is indeed a slaver, but apparently a legal one at least as far as you can tell.  No hint is given about what's happening to the raskvel, since they shouldn't be indentured servants, so something else must be going on.

If Tarkus were written like Myrellion, Del would have quite a number of talk scenes which would be treated with utmost seriousness about the soul-crushing experience of being trapped in a cycle of debt from which you can never escape.  Rather than revealing a hidden enjoyment for the sexual escapades of the bar, he would be simply broken down, perhaps faking a smile but with resignation rather than enthusiasm.  It would be pretty clear what was happening to the missing raskvel and it would be suitably horrific, and in general the subtlety about how the situation is actually kind of fucked up would be absent.

Again, perhaps it is cultural differences, but the unknown can be more disturbing to me than what is stated plainly. Since we don't know what is happening to the kidnapped Raskvels, for instance, my brain can't help but imagine horrific off-text scenarios with brainwashed Raskvels, used as sex slaves and/or test subject for transformatives, and a powerful underground illegal slave trade ring led by Beth Carver.

On Myrellion war is war (even though there's a cease fire), and everything is as grim as expected, but it was expected and stated plainly, which make it less... spooky, I guess ? (really hoping I have the right word here) But it's only my opinon

Then again, I love to over analyse works of fiction I like, so...

 

[StarcraftJunkie]

I guess that's the thing - a lot of folks expect war to be hell, and thus are primed to expect that things are going to be bad.

In fact, Myrellion hasn't really gone in depth on the kind of horrific war crimes and the like that happen in every major war in our culture. Gruesome torture, leveling whole towns full of noncombatants just for fun,  and so on. In that way, Myrellion is somewhat tamer than might have been expected from someone (consciously or unconsciously) preparing themselves for things to be gruesome on a planet whose theme is war.

 

[ShySquare]

Gruesome torture, leveling whole towns full of noncombatants just for fun

Those are war crimes, yes, which means any country that does that is liable to be condemned for those by Geneva, if memory serves. They aren't supposed to happen in time of war, whatever the reason.

 

[Nik_van_Rijn]

In fact, Myrellion hasn't really gone in depth on the kind of horrific war crimes and the like that happen in every major war in our culture. Gruesome torture, leveling whole towns full of noncombatants just for fun,  and so on. In that way, Myrellion is somewhat tamer than might have been expected from someone (consciously or unconsciously) preparing themselves for things to be gruesome on a planet whose theme is war.

If you pay close attention, all of those things come up in several characters' dialogue. Hell, we flat out 'see' the colossal amount of destruction in both Kressia and Gildenmere's suburbs.

 

[Consciousone]

I find mind control, addictive bodily fluids and harem-keeping red myr style extremely sexy. So long as I'm not on the receiving end.

To derail the thread from the doom and gloom.

That being said, I entirely agree that it's fucked up in a major way. I mean yeah, obviously, it is. And yeah, having some more lighthearted content would probably be nice.

That beign said, I want to be able to be on the other side of the table of it too.

 

[Nonesuch]

I find mind control, addictive bodily fluids and harem-keeping red myr style extremely sexy. So long as I'm not on the receiving end.

I was about to direct you to the exact thing I just wrote - before I read the disclaimer at the end.

 

[TheHiddenOne]

I am actually from Europe, so yeah, you may be right. As a whole, I feel we're a bit less prude about sex, and weapons are strictly regulated, so... Yeah. Probably more sensitive to violence due to cultural differences.

Again, perhaps it is cultural differences, but the unknown can be more disturbing to me than what is stated plainly. Since we don't know what is happening to the kidnapped Raskvels, for instance, my brain can't help but imagine horrific off-text scenarios with brainwashed Raskvels, used as sex slaves and/or test subject for transformatives, and a powerful underground illegal slave trade ring led by Beth Carver.

On Myrellion war is war (even though there's a cease fire), and everything is as grim as expected, but it was expected and stated plainly, which make it less... spooky, I guess ? (really hoping I have the right word here) But it's only my opinon

Then again, I love to over analyse works of fiction I like, so...

I agree with unknown things being possibly more spooky (though for some reason I thought they where made into an ingredient for something.. wonder what made me think that oO)

I personally think Myrellion *is* tame -considering the situation. Most of the bad-sides of sexual aspects is handwaved in the game because it is porn, but you also only glimpse in the terrors of war.

Also, you can actually skip nearly all of the Myr-tales, since you just need to get to the dark caves - so if you want to evade the war you can, just as well as you can evade the failing planet Tarkus.

I think Tarkus is worse then Myrellion, since it looks like a gigantic ruin that only needs a single bomb to destroy half the planet. Myrellion at least has a future!

 

[ShySquare]

I agree with unknown things being possibly more spooky (though for some reason I thought they where made into an ingredient for something.. wonder what made me think that oO)

I personally think Myrellion *is* tame -considering the situation. Most of the bad-sides of sexual aspects is handwaved in the game because it is porn, but you also only glimpse in the terrors of war.

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I think Tarkus is worse then Myrellion, since it looks like a gigantic ruin that only needs a single bomb to destroy half the planet. Myrellion at least has a future!

Exactly what I was trying to say.

 

[StarcraftJunkie]

Those are war crimes, yes, which means any country that does that is liable to be condemned for those by Geneva, if memory serves. They aren't supposed to happen in time of war, whatever the reason.

Right, but they inevitably do. Just look in depth at any modern war of any significant length and scale. War crimes abound.

If you pay close attention, all of those things come up in several characters' dialogue. Hell, we flat out 'see' the colossal amount of destruction in both Kressia and Gildenmere's suburbs.

Not really. The only talk of interrogation/torture is the reds using their venom in lieu of more drastic torture techniques (one can argue that such is just as bad as the permanent damage inflected via stress positions or even more severe interrogation techniques, but I don't buy it myself). There's no mention of what kind of interrogation techniques that the golds used that I can recall.

As for the destruction of the suburbs, that's totally not an example of what I'm talking about. The suburbs in the No Myr's Land is land devastated by two opposing armies using the terrain as their battlefield. I'm talking about soldiers going into an undefeated town full of noncombatants and just killing everyone (and worse) because it seemed like it'd be fun - of which you'll find plenty examples in wars, both modern and ancient.

No, the description of the war on Myrellion is decidedly light on the war crimes that happen in virtually every war. As such,  it's actually a much nicer war than expected.

 

[ShySquare]

Right, but they inevitably do. Just look in depth at any modern war of any significant length and scale. War crimes abound.

My bad. I guess I still have too much faith in humanity.

No, the description of the war on Myrellion is decidedly light on the war crimes that happen in virtually every war. As such,  it's actually a much nicer war than expected.

Totally agreeing with this.

 

[booleanquestion]

Not really. The only talk of interrogation/torture is the reds using their venom in lieu of more drastic torture techniques (one can argue that such is just as bad as the permanent damage inflected via stress positions or even more severe interrogation techniques, but I don't buy it myself). There's no mention of what kind of interrogation techniques that the golds used that I can recall.

The golds are quite fond of whips, according Lieve. It's also apparently common enough that she's surprised you'd have to ask where she got the scars from. 

 

[StarcraftJunkie]

My bad. I guess I still have too much faith in humanity.

Well, if nobody did it, they probably wouldn't have had a giant meeting of nations that declared it illegal and assigned hefty penalties for engaging in these acts.

And mind you, the governments involved almost always declare the soldiers to have been acting against orders (and usually they are, I'm sure - it's a bigger scandal on the rare occasion folks high up in the military hierarchy get tied to the crimes).

There's also been recent times where prominent governments have been accused (with good basis) with attempting to ignore and circumvent the Geneva Convention,  but that subject is really too political to get into on a porn video game message board.

 

[ShySquare]

that subject is really too political to get into on a porn video game message board.

Right, sorry. Guess I got too worked up trying to argue Myrellion is not that grim.

The golds are quite fond of whips, according Lieve. It's also apparently common enough that she's surprised you'd have to ask where she got the scars from. 

Really ? I didn't know, since I usually play masculine characters... The force necessary to make chitin bleed makes me wince on her behalf. I would have thought them to be more the sort to go with "truth serums", since they'd been playing with chemicals...

 

[Karretch]

Right, sorry. Guess I got too worked up trying to argue Myrellion is not that grim.

Really ? I didn't know, since I usually play masculine characters... The force necessary to make chitin bleed makes me wince on her behalf. I would have thought them to be more the sort to go with "truth serums", since they'd been playing with chemicals...

Not all of their body is covered in chitin. Pretty sure the myr are more concentrated around the legs and less so the actual torso.

 

[argenten]

I'm curious, would Queen Tavria be able to claim No Myr's land as her (player's through her proxy) territory? If so, that would give the player agency in cleaning up that area right off the bat. It'd also help the 2 deserters Jim came up with in giving them a way out via the scout taxi's to the surface. 

 

[Karretch]

I'm curious, would Queen Tavria be able to claim No Myr's land as her (player's through her proxy) territory? If so, that would give the player agency in cleaning up that area right off the bat. It'd also help the 2 deserters Jim came up with in giving them a way out via the scout taxi's to the surface. 

Jim's got plans for Briha and Lys to maybe be on residential deck of Tavros he's making

 

[Savin]

I'm curious, would Queen Tavria be able to claim No Myr's land as her (player's through her proxy) territory?

 I don't think that's terribly likely. 

 

[argenten]

Jim's got plans for Briha and Lys to maybe be on residential deck of Tavros he's making

Yup, I was curious as to whether or not that could be a path to that.

 I don't think that's terribly likely. 

And now I know the answer is no. Fair enough,I just get moments of megalomania and using Tavira for power plays (in all the ways that implies.) feeds those moments nicely.

 

[Ormael]

And now I know the answer is no. Fair enough,I just get moments of megalomania and using Tavira for power plays (in all the ways that implies.) feeds those moments nicely.

Hmm Deep caves are then kind of all of her domain we can explore (well tohers parts we can't cuz...we got no ways to get there). But what does No Myr's land owned by her will change? Still we would encounter think same enemies maybe with much less myrs. So aside of well megalomaniac name change to something like Tavira's land it wouldn't mean much ingame from mechanics side.

 

[argenten]

Hmm Deep caves are then kind of all of her domain we can explore (well tohers parts we can't cuz...we got no ways to get there). But what does No Myr's land owned by her will change? Still we would encounter think same enemies maybe with much less myrs. So aside of well megalomaniac name change to something like Tavira's land it wouldn't mean much ingame from mechanics side.

I was thinking more from story/political side as well as the potential to "clean up" the area. Could even do a mini-campaign to eliminate the Wetraxxel from their loop.

 

[Karretch]

I was thinking more from story/political side as well as the potential to "clean up" the area. Could even do a mini-campaign to eliminate the Wrexxa from their loop.

If you're gonna hate a race for no reason at least get it right. It's Wetraxxel. Give them some dignity.

 

[argenten]

If you're gonna hate a race for no reason at least get it right. It's Wetraxxel. Give them some dignity.

I'll give them dignity when they give me more than one square before trying to weave my guts in a basket. 

 

[Nonesuch]

I was thinking more from story/political side as well as the potential to "clean up" the area. Could even do a mini-campaign to eliminate the Wetraxxel from their loop.

They don't bother anyone as long as you don't bother traipsing around their hole in the ground, which is literally all they own. Leave the poor fuckers alone, Captain America.

 

[Couch]

They don't bother anyone as long as you don't bother traipsing around their hole in the ground, which is literally all they own. Leave the poor fuckers alone, Captain America.

We need to liberate the wetraxxel like we liberated half of Tarkus from the other half of Tarkus...hey, there's an idea for how to deal with the myr war.  I'm pretty sure the fleet has enough firepower that they could saw the planet in half.  It'll be the King Solomon route.

 

[argenten]

A,I just get moments of megalomania and using Tavira for power plays (in all the ways that implies.) feeds those moments nicely.

They don't bother anyone as long as you don't bother traipsing around their hole in the ground, which is literally all they own. Leave the poor fuckers alone, Captain America.

As I said, moments of megalomania, so feel free to leave the sarcasm and condescension at the door.

 

[Gamer791]

anybody know when then next public update is coming? ._.

 

[argenten]

anybody know when then next public update is coming? ._.

I'm not a creator so my guess is worth less than spit, but I'd say somewhere around Halloween to give everyone a chance to enjoy that spooky goodness they have been bubbling up. 

 

[Klaital]

I imagine that the best way to get a resolution to the Myr conflict withough either side getting wiped out would be to introduce some greater threat that they have to unite against, like some nasty and exceptionally expansionist race emerging from the tunnels below that would threaten to wipe both of them out, or even some kind of radical splinter faction that initiates a series of terrorist attacks (similar to the one we prevented in Hildenmere) which would seriously weaken both sides before starting a a war to take out the leaderships of both sides to create a new, better (in their mind anyway) order to the planet.

Either way, result would be that both myr races would need to unite against this new threat and combine their strengths to defeat it, and at the end would discover that the other myrs aren't that bad after all. There would likely still be some more close-minded individuals on both sides that would refuse to deal with the other side, those could live in cities on opposite sides of the planet, and between there would be many cities where the gold and red myr would live together peacefully (similar to that shopkeeper couple in the red myr city currently).

 

[Nonesuch]

I imagine that the best way to get a resolution to the Myr conflict withough either side getting wiped out would be to introduce some greater threat...

 

 

[Fully Automated]

Those are war crimes, yes, which means any country that does that is liable to be condemned for those by Geneva, if memory serves. They aren't supposed to happen in time of war, whatever the reason.

Bombing cities to rubble isn't a violation of Geneva Conventions, mostly because the various powers who've signed the papers have usually been big fans of the tactic. It would have been somewhat embarrassing for the winners of WWII to classify their own tactics as war crimes.

Plus you only have to own up to war crimes if someone can make you. 

 

Well, that actually worked, and on Myrellion you don't even have to pull off an elaborate plot to convince people aliens are here.