Do you think the ratio of furry to non-furry content is balanced?

[Violent_Peace]

Tbh when it comes to tits, it's nothing but furry. Anything not furry is just the 10% that isn't, one of the races commonly seen in the game is the dog girls, usually one of the first things you encounter on every planet 1 out of 3 will be a furry, and probably an ausar.

Some of the other races that were taken time to make like gryvains for instance, barely in the game. Probably around 4 in the game tbh.

Another thing they could add gynoids, another thing, Lethians, another, insectoids.

It's not the fact they don't have them, it's the fact that there are alot of races they have but choose the furry ones out of all of them. Only chances of non furry stuff comming up is when you get a guy like SoandSo who wants to make something alittle different and alien.

@Khloe

Personally I feel like they just want to make it a furry only game where it's nothing but the next thing they can sexualize or probably drag from another game like the snake women or just sexualized more rodents no offense will.

But its really kinda boring when you go to the hottest new planet and it's pretty much just another furry planet or the first thing to greet you is a furry or dog person or ball of fluff.

I don't have a problem with furries, just wish that the game would have more of the other races around in the game that are codex tomes, passages that go on for miles. Would be nice to see those in the game instead of just assuming what some of them could be and look like.

Also there is a lack of just full females, you know the women that don't have a dick. Would be nice to just meet females in the game and not futas once in a while.

 

[Zavos]

I am offended at the labeling of monstergirl content as "furry". These are two entirely different topics that simply have overlap, much as monstergirl overlaps with vanilla humans.

 

[Kesil]

just wish that the game would have more of the other races around in the game

Amen to this. Bring on the anatae, the fhan’i, the saeri, samarin, spinarran, vildarii, vulkrimi, whatever Jade used to be...

 

[Aphax]

I personally prefer non-furry content, but for that matter I don't really mind it either. Not enough to not fap to it, anyway. In this matter I probably have an incredibly basic-ass opinion, but more "pure human" content like Beatrice (she's the only human I can think of off the top of my head but there's probably more?) for example would be nice to see. Though, I'm not saying tip the scales to be only non-furry. A balance would be ideal, surely?

 

[Kesil]

There are many pure humans or barely modded ones in TiTS. The issue is that most are non-sexable or barely a thing. From the wiki and omitting those of The Silence and Bran Flazingan:

• Akane
• Alex
• Artie
• Beatrice Reasner
• Bethany Carver
• Byron McAllister
• Charles
• Carl
• Elenora Vanderbilt (ahem)
• Geoff
• Horace Decker
• Host Shukuchi Agents
• Jarvis
• Julian Haswell
• Kat
• Krymhilde
• Uncle Max
• The Cousin
• Mirian Bragga
• The Irson sisters (at least at first)
• Zeke
• The Slaver Attendants
• Shep Darnock
• Riya
• The Pump-King
• The Black Void Mercenary Guard
• The Black Void Juggernaut
• Petr
• Minimum modifications: Atha, the other Alex, Belle, Burt, Del

 

[Stemwinder]

I'm okay with furry content but I would like to see more genuinely alien stuff in the game. The sci-fi setting is wasted when most of the characters are just space furries/monster girls-and-maybe-a-boy-once-in-a-while/kemonomimi. There are some cool races in the game that you might never see because the only example is some rando shopkeep.

 

[Alyeska]

Kinda as an add in, to thoes who complain about the furry stuff. If you really want something that is not furry, or is slanted to what you desire, eather sit down and write it out yourself, or commision one of the content creators to make it for you. The furry stuff is in there in part because people like it, same with all the other stuff that is in there. A lot of the content was eather put in because someone wanted that specific content and wrote it, or they paid someone to write it for them. You want non-furry stuff, write it out and submit it, or pay someone to create the content for you.

Sorry if I get a little bitchy here, and I understand wanting content with our own interests in it, but a lot of what you see is exactly what people are wanting in the game. Its not got furry content just because one person likes furry content, a lot of people like furry content. A lot of people like the wasps/bees, or the goo critters or the ants/spiders and other such critters around. Personaly I am not a fan of the goo stuff, but, so what, I just go around it and carry on.

 

[Magic Ted]

mate if it doesn't have a muzzle or some dumb, misguided different face it really isn't furry

 

[Violent_Peace]

Kinda as an add in, to thoes who complain about the furry stuff. If you really want something that is not furry, or is slanted to what you desire, eather sit down and write it out yourself, or commision one of the content creators to make it for you. The furry stuff is in there in part because people like it, same with all the other stuff that is in there. A lot of the content was eather put in because someone wanted that specific content and wrote it, or they paid someone to write it for them. You want non-furry stuff, write it out and submit it, or pay someone to create the content for you.

Sorry if I get a little bitchy here, and I understand wanting content with our own interests in it, but a lot of what you see is exactly what people are wanting in the game. Its not got furry content just because one person likes furry content, a lot of people like furry content. A lot of people like the wasps/bees, or the goo critters or the ants/spiders and other such critters around. Personaly I am not a fan of the goo stuff, but, so what, I just go around it and carry on.

Well thing is, not everyone is good at writing and some people struggle with the English language as some people that may be on the fourms don't speak or write in English first.

Then there is the thing of money where not alot of people may not have the money for coms, not everyone's situation is the same, for others there are some donating to both coc2 and tits, to add money for a com for those people would be digging in their wallet deep. There are probably also some who just can't afford a com and are living paycheck to paycheck.

Then there's the people who just don't have time to write and live off their paycheck each week or two weeks.

The thing is like what Stemwinder said really. "There are cool races out there, it's just sad that they may never be seen because the only example is just one rando shopkeeper."

Not really bitching, just saying that the game is focused on one particular set of people who have more fur than humans most of the time, muzzle or no muzzle.

 

[Ch0w]

But its really kinda boring when you go to the hottest new planet and it's pretty much just another furry planet or the first thing to greet you is a furry or dog person or ball of fluff.

I don't have a problem with furries, just wish that the game would have more of the other races around in the game that are codex tomes, passages that go on for miles. Would be nice to see those in the game instead of just assuming what some of them could be and look like.

Also there is a lack of just full females, you know the women that don't have a dick. Would be nice to just meet females in the game and not futas once in a while.

all of this , exactly ALL OF THIS

 

[Ormael]

Hoh why it all seemly goes toward direction of "you at fen forum so like his fetishes he put in his games or gtfo" ? Over casual orange people shows up to make narration goes in this direction :/

 

[Ch0w]

18 x 19, pretty close the poll

 

[Bucklash Joe]

It's the same problem Coc had. The place was supposed to be overrun by demons but you encountered mostly furries and encountered hardly any demons. But at least Coc tried to explain why that's the case. In this game Its mostly furry just because.

 

[Raskputin]

I dislike this poll, the options are phrased in a pretty biased way. I like most of the furry content the game has, and I'd prefer furry content to no content at all if that's what people are writing, but I would also like to see more unique designs for supposedly 'alien' species. Now, if Fen and co want make a furry game in space, that's perfectly fine, Its just my preference to want more truly xenophilic content, rather than any sense of 'balance' on what type of porn should be in a smut game.

 

[Violent_Peace]

I dislike this poll, the options are phrased in a pretty biased way. I like most of the furry content the game has, and I'd prefer furry content to no content at all if that's what people are writing, but I would also like to see more unique designs for supposedly 'alien' species. Now, if Fen and co want make a furry game in space, that's perfectly fine, Its just my preference to want more truly xenophilic content, rather than any sense of 'balance' on what type of porn should be in a smut game.

I don't think the Op was asking for.

A handful of people were saying they wanted more aliens, when they have a whole catalog of them, but then the galaxy seems to have more doggos and furries.

I see the poll more as. People want something else than the furries that are showing up so often and want some actual aliens from the codex. Like did you know that there is only 1 Puazi in the game? A race that gets aroused when around humans.

Then there is the single Saumarioan that's in the game, a lizard man and probably the only one.

Gryvains, bout three of them if you only count the ones that aren't half and probably 1 if you count like only named ones.

How many ausar are there about 22 give or take.

Cat people are at 16

Tannuki 6 or 7

Not angry or anything just trying to tell you that some races are seen more often then others.

 

[Lord Warlock]

So I made an account for this because I profoundly don't get it, what do people define as Furry since they feel they are all over the place? Penny, Prai Ellit and maybe Kelly if you stretch it is what I can see on Mhen'ga, Verusha, Dr badger and (if you count scalies) Chaurmine and Lane on Tarkus Myrrelion is covered in ant people with a million different kinds of sex.

There is a ton of people with ears and a tail, but seriously, that is closer to monster girl territory (Or lower for that matter thats anime-cat girl level of mods) than anything else, Uveto and Zheng Shi both have a somewhat larger amount of Furry character but that seems to be relating more to the fact that one of them is home to a full furry race, and not meeting those around would be weird and the other have a whole clan of full rabbit morph raiders.

Edit:

How many ausar are there about 22 give or take.

Cat people are at 16

Pretty sure both of those are super prevalent because people like cat girls and dog girls, and not actually due to furry stuff, its basically the closest to human appearance you can get without them being humans, its literally "Smack some ears and a tail on that + an exotic cock"

 

[Violent_Peace]

So I made an account for this because I profoundly don't get it, what do people define as Furry since they feel they are all over the place? Penny, Prai Ellit and maybe Kelly if you stretch it is what I can see on Mhen'ga, Verusha, Dr badger and (if you count scalies) Chaurmine and Lane on Tarkus Myrrelion is covered in ant people with a million different kinds of sex.

There is a ton of people with ears and a tail, but seriously, that is closer to monster girl territory (Or lower for that matter thats anime-cat girl level of mods) than anything else, Uveto and Zheng Shi both have a somewhat larger amount of Furry character but that seems to be relating more to the fact that one of them is home to a full furry race, and not meeting those around would be weird and the other have a whole clan of full rabbit morph raiders.

Edit:


Pretty sure both of those are super prevalent because people like cat girls and dog girls, and not actually due to furry stuff, its basically the closest to human appearance you can get without them being humans, its literally "Smack some ears and a tail on that + an exotic cock"

Um quick question tho, did you read the rest of the post in this page? Or just went and made a profile after you saw the thread title and hit newst post?

Because alot if not most people who pick the bottom option wanted more of everything else besides dog tails and cat tails.

I'm trying to be nice, but maybe if you didn't just go off raw instinct and looked at what people were saying before posting then you wouldn't be so confused.

The thing about this thread has turned wanting more content that excludes furries to just simply wanting more aliens and alien like beings, and the beings in the codex that rarely are seen like I said. There is only 1 puazi.

 

[Raskputin]

So I made an account for this because I profoundly don't get it, what do people define as Furry since they feel they are all over the place? Penny, Prai Ellit and maybe Kelly if you stretch it is what I can see on Mhen'ga, Verusha, Dr badger and (if you count scalies) Chaurmine and Lane on Tarkus Myrrelion is covered in ant people with a million different kinds of sex.

There is a ton of people with ears and a tail, but seriously, that is closer to monster girl territory (Or lower for that matter thats anime-cat girl level of mods) than anything else, Uveto and Zheng Shi both have a somewhat larger amount of Furry character but that seems to be relating more to the fact that one of them is home to a full furry race, and not meeting those around would be weird and the other have a whole clan of full rabbit morph raiders.

Yeah, for whatever reason people really overestimate the amount of actual furry characteres. For the record ausar/kaithrit are NOT furries, they're kemonomimi. it doesnt bother me one way or the other, but for some people(OP included), having a human face makes a big difference.

I don't think the Op was asking for.

A handful of people were saying they wanted more aliens, when they have a whole catalog of them, but then the galaxy seems to have more doggos and furries.

I see the poll more as. People want something else than the furries that are showing up so often and want some actual aliens from the codex. Like did you know that there is only 1 Puazi in the game? A race that gets aroused when around humans.

Then there is the single Saumarioan that's in the game, a lizard man and probably the only one.

Gryvains, bout three of them if you only count the ones that aren't half and probably 1 if you count like only named ones.

How many ausar are there about 22 give or take.

Cat people are at 16

Tannuki 6 or 7

Not angry or anything just trying to tell you that some races are seen more often then others.

Not to be rude, but I understood what OP was asking, I wanted to add my perspective as I didnt feel either of the options represented it. The alien thing is my personal prference, and I'm unimpressed at the apparent 'whole catalog of them', since most of the races are either scalies, furries, or kemonomimi/monster girls, and while I do like a lot of them, they're just as alien as the 'doggos' you seem to not like.
On a separate note, I will say that I agree with you to some extent, but I dont think its correct to say that the problem is that there are too many furries in the game. Your example is a little off as neither ausar nor kaithrit are furries, but I do agree that in general TiTS should have more race diversity, both by including more lesser used races that already exist, and by making more interesting non-standard ones.

 

[Raskputin]

Um quick question tho, did you read the rest of the post in this page? Or just went and made a profile after you saw the thread title and hit newst post?

Because alot if not most people who pick the bottom option wanted more of everything else besides dog tails and cat tails.

I'm trying to be nice, but maybe if you didn't just go off raw instinct and looked at what people were saying before posting then you wouldn't be so confused.

The thing about this thread has turned wanting more content that excludes furries to just simply wanting more aliens and alien like beings, and the beings in the codex that rarely are seen like I said. There is only 1 puazi.

I'd disagree with that, as OP Has only said that he is unsettled by non-human faces, not necessarily anything about the ausar/kaithrit. Theres sort of two different conversations being had here, one is about how much furry content should be in the game, and the other being 'does TiTS have too much of the same sort of content(specifically in terms of ausar/kaithrit characters)?' which i think you're trying to discuss. Both are interesting questions, and to some extent related, but the poll doesnt reflect both, as you could for example not want more ausar/kaithrit but still want more furry content and think the current 'balance' is fine.

 

[Violent_Peace]

I said the conversation changed in my last post. That's why I asked, if the last guy warlock read the page and not the whole thread.

Also some people's ideas if furries differ from others. Some people consider both people like Anno and Emmy as furries, others consider only Emmy the furry.

Me I'm just saying Both because it's easier to keep them together.

Plus I don't think op meant, stop all furry content and only make human content, they probably just want more content focused on humans and half furs.

 

[Lord Warlock]

Um quick question tho, did you read the rest of the post in this page? Or just went and made a profile after you saw the thread title and hit newst post?

Because alot if not most people who pick the bottom option wanted more of everything else besides dog tails and cat tails.

I'm trying to be nice, but maybe if you didn't just go off raw instinct and looked at what people were saying before posting then you wouldn't be so confused.

The thing about this thread has turned wanting more content that excludes furries to just simply wanting more aliens and alien like beings, and the beings in the codex that rarely are seen like I said. There is only 1 puazi.

The thread address 2 things basically, one is about the general lack of using some of the really interesting alien races, which I agree with and the other is people saying that the game is basically nothing but furry, while ignoring that most of the game is really just humans with a few cosmetics, (Or you know Ausars and and cat people.) Thats 2 completely different complaints.

Wanting variety instead of human with dog ears #20 is completely understandable, especially when you get to a new planet, but the Korgonne on Uveto for example is a completely different culture and behaviour that is vastly different from the standard Ausar look so complaining that the Korgonne are furry for example because the Auasr is already all over the place seems disjointed to me as they are vastly different aesthetically.

The furry stuff is already a kind of variety from the average Auasr/cat girl so conflating the 2 is just weird.

For people really into the furry aesthetic Ausar is probably closer to human than they are to the Shock Hopper.

Me I'm just saying Both because it's easier to keep them together.

It is kind of funny that you say I should read the thread because I said I don't understand why people keep putting them in the same category and then you proceeds to continue doing exactly that.

 

[Violent_Peace]

@Lord Warlock I told you to read the page because you said you don't get it in your first post. Then proceeded to list off scalies and insects when people didn't really have the problem with them on the page.

I said I'm counting all of them, the ones with only ears and tails with the furries because from the outside most people, normal people, would kinda consider Anno a furry on the same level as they would Emmy.

But still the whole title of this thread wasn't get rid of furries, more on are humans and humanoids in short supply, and probably more into the human side since most things that tend to show up now a days are.

And in your words. A cat girl or dog girl similar to monster girls.

Remember this just asking if the amount furry content is balanced and what some people are considering furry are cat girls and dog girls because They Still Have Fur.

 

[Raskputin]

@Lord Warlock I told you to read the page because you said you don't get it in your first post. Then proceeded to list off scalies and insects when people didn't really have the problem with them on the page.

I said I'm counting all of them, the ones with only ears and tails with the furries because from the outside most people, normal people, would kinda consider Anno a furry on the same level as they would Emmy.

But still the whole title of this thread wasn't get rid of furries, more on are humans and humanoids in short supply, and probably more into the human side since most things that tend to show up now a days are.

And in your words. A cat girl or dog girl similar to monster girls.

Remember this just asking if the amount furry content is balanced and what some people are considering furry are cat girls and dog girls because They Still Have Fur.

I dislike being rude, but have you read the thread?
You seem to be conflating what you've said with what OP said, when OP has specifically said that he is bothered by furries, which he characterizes as having non human faces and muzzled. Hes the one who made the distinction, and in fact has stated that monstergirls are fine and preferable to furries in his view. It's fine to have a discussion but you're being a little too defensive on the point that the people who are bothered by too many ausar are not necessarily the same people bothered by too many furries.

 

[TheDevilYouKnow]

I dislike being rude, but have you read the thread?
You seem to be conflating what you've said with what OP said, when OP has specifically said that he is bothered by furries, which he characterizes as having non human faces and muzzled. Hes the one who made the distinction, and in fact has stated that monstergirls are fine and preferable to furries in his view. It's fine to have a discussion but you're being a little too defensive on the point that the people who are bothered by too many ausar are not necessarily the same people bothered by too many furries.

Welcome to this dude on literally every topic.

 

[Lord Warlock]

And in your words. A cat girl or dog girl similar to monster girls.

Remember this just asking if the amount furry content is balanced and what some people are considering furry are cat girls and dog girls because They Still Have Fur.

And some consider them similar to humans, in which case adding more humans for them would just result in a more sam-y game, which is why they should all be treated as separate kinds of characters when this kind of thing is discussed, someone could thing that I would for example say that Gryvains are closer to Ausar to me than the Shock hopper is, but you just talked about how few Gryvains that are in the game, should we just focus on other stuff than Gryvains because thats already covered by Ausar or what?

because from the outside most people, normal people, would kinda consider Anno a furry on the same level as they would Emmy.

Outside, except you know, Furries, people into kemonomimi, or people who like monster girls and not furries, if someone read hnetai they most likely have read some shit with a kemonomimi and not cared one bit that doesn't mean they see themselves as a furry, there are a shit-ton of people who are into people with small animal features who aren't into Furry stuff and treating it like thats all the same thing is ignoring that group.

I would bet actual money on if you made a survey that most people who are into kemonomimi would be slightly weirded out by furry stuff.

 

[Violent_Peace]

I dislike being rude, but have you read the thread?
You seem to be conflating what you've said with what OP said, when OP has specifically said that he is bothered by furries, which he characterizes as having non human faces and muzzled. Hes the one who made the distinction, and in fact has stated that monstergirls are fine and preferable to furries in his view. It's fine to have a discussion but you're being a little too defensive on the point that the people who are bothered by too many ausar are not necessarily the same people bothered by too many furries.

I know what the op said. I made my statement earlier in the page and was talking about that topic.

I know that the Op has said that they are fine.

What I said earlier before replying to you.

"The thing is like what Stemwinder said really. "There are cool races out there, it's just sad that they may never be seen because the only example is just one rando shopkeeper."

Not really bitching, just saying that the game is focused on one particular set of people who have more fur than humans most of the time, muzzle or no muzzle."

@TheDevilYouKnow hey what's up buddy? You following me around?

@Lord Warlock

Listen I believe this is being seen incorrectly.

My post doesn't really corrliate with the Op. In my earlier post from a day ago I mentioned mostly characters with fur. Meaning tails and ears and such.

I mentioned that those characters were pretty much being pushed out more than other races were being pushed out.

Also they are treated like separate kinds of characters, because all of them are seperate characters unless they are like enemies or persistent npcs that are nameles.

I don't care what you jerk off too.

But way before you came the subject I was speaking of was in favor or every other race that didn't have fur. Meaning the ones with scales, the ones who were more taurtic, the ones who are like goos.

 

[Kesil]

there are a shit-ton of people who are into people with small animal features who aren't into Furry stuff and treating it like thats all the same thing is ignoring that group.

I'm here at least

 

[Lord Warlock]

So I went through the list of named character and sorted them into 3 rough categories:
Stuff that isn't human with a coupe of animal parts, furry or obvious scaly, this does get the taurs because taurs are definitely not furry! Also all the insects goes here cause that seems pretty distinct from what people complain about
Then a scaly group that ended up pretty small because there are surprisingly few of those or else I just missed it when surfing through the named list.
And then a group of people with *just* animal parts but not furry stuff because this thread is in fact about how much non fury stuff you can get...
I should probably have made a list of furries too, but i am lazy so I am not going back to do this again, anyway here it is:

DISCLAIMER! this list is made on by someone with a crap sleep schedule who kind of just went through the wiki list and looked at what information it gave at first glance.

Non-Scaly Non-Furry Non-kemonomimi (Imma put myr and taurs in this): Able, Agrosh, Aina, Akane, Alex, Amber, Anzhela, Ara Kei, Ardia, Asennia, Atha(Only as porn though), Beatrice Reasner, Belle, Bess, Bethany Carver(Literally only a hand job though), Briha, Burt, Byron McAllister(Technically you only get sex with mar treated girls here though), Captain Khorgan, Celise, Ceria, Commander Schora, Crystal Goo Incubator, Dally, Delilah, Double-Goo, Edan, Eimear(eroti massage only), Doctor Elenora Vanderbilt, Ellie, Ellira, Estallia(bad end only), Fei An Strozo, Fetch & Carry, Flahne, Forgehound, Frostwyrm, Fyn, Gene, Geoff, Gianna, Gold Squad, Gray Goo Armor, Gwen, Haley, Holiday, Inessa, Irellia, James, Jesse, Kane, Kaska, Krym, Lieve(And her 2 golden myr), Liliana, Liriel, Lys, Matron Oserre, Merchant Queen, Milly, Mirrin, Mitzi, Myr Infected Queen, Naleen Brothers, Nehzara, Nevrie, Nine-tailed Zil(Bad end only), Nyrean Princess, Olympia(?), Overseer Maike, Pexiga, Pump-king, Quaelle, Queen of the Deep, Queen Taivra, Quinn, Raskvel Broodmother, Renvra, Riley, Riya, Roz, Sellesy, Sera, Shekka, Shiare, Storm Lancer, Sydian Matriarch, Sylvie, Tentacle Gardener, Tetra & Mica, The Seer, Una, Ushamee Neykkar, Vaande, Vedice, Vi, Wetraxxel Brawler, Xanthe, Yammi, Yarasta, Zea, Zheniya, Zo’dee

Scaly (Assuming ovir counts as scalies here): Aliss, Brandt(Really more kimono/scaly though), Chaurmine, Jerynn(Technically fit in the top too due to being a taur), Lane, Tessa

Animal features (Assuming anything not tour-like in structure or with a snake tail, not furry but still have smaller animal features(treated people ends here for example)): Amma, Anarrie, Anno, Betsy & Victoria, Big T, Brandy, Brynn, Busky, Cameron, Canada, Carrie(and together with her Cora), Cass, Chrissy, Chupacabro, Ciaran, Dane, Demon Queen Syri, Embry, Erika, Erra, Fisianna, Galina, Godi, Hana, Herman, Ilaria, Horisha(single scene together with peck steele and 2 others), Kaede, Kara, Kase, Kimber, Lerris, Liamme, Lola, Marina, Millie, Myrra, Nessa, Ogram, Pirate Engineer, Quenton, Ramis, Rat Thieves, Reaha, RK Lah, Saendra, Sally, Sam, Shade, Shelly, Shizuya, Simone, Stella, Syri, Tam, Terensha, Vahn, Valden, Vark, Yancy, Yoma, Zephyr

Dunno:
Azra and Feruze(Suula is either alien of scaly/(whatever the name of feather furries are) depending on your standards, though I lean towards fury), Doctor Lessau (same thing basically),
Dr. Teyaal(Gryvain are either in my animal features groups or alien enough to get in the other depending on preference.)
Semith (dude looks proper alien like, but dunno)
Steph Irson (Starts as human kinda goes wild from there, also only through porn of course)
Tlako (Tove could be whatever dunno where people place them)
Wetra Hound (Issa dog, how fury do we go before its not furry anymore?)

(I am halfway into the list and just realised that making a completely human set and full furry set would probably have been smart but you aren’t getting one now)

 

[Violent_Peace]

Kesil made a list of humans. It's kinda further up tho.

 

[Lord Warlock]

Kesil made a list of humans. It's kinda further up tho.

The point was more that all these are character you can have sex with, and Kesil's list was just humans in general, including an actual list of humans/near pure humans available for sex would have been a good perspective.