Breeding Season is DEAD!
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Very true. Like I said, more potential but at the cost of being a lot harder. So most are shit, but some like girlfriends4ever are amazing
As far as I can tell a lot of western artists use hand drawn hentai and there are various japanese artists who do 3d.
I do not think that 3d is actually a "western" porn thing.
My favorite 3d porn is the umemaru series which is from japan.
Although, most western games I know use RPGMaker (a japanese RPG game maker) and the porn is made using 3d custom girl which is a very accessible and very easy to use japanese 3d porn game modeler... which looks ugly as sin. Then again, most of the japanese RPGMaker games I know do as well.
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I don't believe that, mostly because Japan loves their moe art waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much that litterally all the female characters look near identical baring breast sizes and hair designs (ESPECIALLY in 3D works), whereas they can go into all-out detail for male characters, whether it's showing every wrinkle, wart, and hair on an old mans face, back, and ass or drawing massive monstrous horrors noting every pulsing vein and rippling muscle.
Well, I like 3D models when they're supposed to look cartoony, like what 3dgspot does, or a few other artist of repute do. Yeah, it's only when they're TRYING to be realistic that the models end up looking like rubber faced figures, but I think that's essentially failing the concept, as it shouldn't TRY to be reailistic.
Yeah, but its like one of the few handful of western full-length 3D animations anyway, so it's pretty small pickings.
I think the western market could actually EXCEL at this porn making game because at least there is the potential for a wealth of new ideas and concepts. Japan, is mostly gonna stick to their rape-genres and vanilla incest romances shtick, where here, in the progressive world, at least the power dynamics tend to at least try shift between men and women and women aren't just constantly sold off as incompetent bimbos or females being put in to their place or something.
Eh, at least it's "somewhat" consensual and isn't tasteless, hell, its never boring, that for damn sure.
Still though, I wished he'd some art where dudes can get pussywrekt once in a while.
She is no less guilty too, perhaps harsh but she is infact part of the problem, and even her blog post doesn't excuse her. The fact is that she knew very well what was happening with the team for a while, and she opted to cover up their own shit instead of bailing out or correcting most of the problems. The fact that she too was getting paid for this shit doesn't help her much. Until she saw how shit was going to go, she decided to "clean" her hands.
The lest shitty of the three, no doubt, but she too is no victim.
Now about H and S are both guilty of different things. What S did is completely scumy and totally unforgivable, he did kill any possibilities the game had to continue, by himself. And the fact that he has been planning this for some time, and decided to "start" working on a new project before ending his ties with the one he was working on, should at least be noted. He had art for release of this new "saving grace" and "last ditch effort" to save "what little he could" of BS. That's shady as fuck honestly. And the worst, the man things he has the right to keep asking for money, atleast BS had been playable for a while, but what he has is only art and assets. This is not an artis patreon where he draws comics, or just smut. He is just an artist with a shady background that is promising to release a new, better, bigger game. He is just going to steal more money, and will probably offer less. And the worst is that this new project already has retards supporting it.
And H is just stupid, useless, childless and completely and utterly incapable of directing a project, the man killed the project when he proved himself unable to even make a contract or consult people that knew how to do things. The man is just inept honestly, he has enough fault for the game not progressing and been on this state for his own lack of leadership that S is for his won lazyness and general scum behaviour.
Vanilly should have left a while ago, I do like her and will probs follow her, but the fact is that she lacked the insight to leave in time.
About S working behind everyones backs, with subtank, can there be any repercussions about it?
Edit: About the doxxing, I was to believe he didn't actually share personal information, and only regular names we already knew he went by on the internet. So did he actually reveal any more than that?
But it still is petty from him to act like that. He could easily take the thousands he already made and try to salvage wath little was left.
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Except she actually decided to lie, fully knowing what it will bring to her and that it wouldn't be beneficial to the team or her. You can defend her as much as you want, she probably does deserve the support, and she sadly got involved in a shitty situation. But honestly, looking at all this shaddy stuff and not acting on it on time, and waiting till the last moment to actually act was pretty bad on her part. She recently gave information that she was just working for 2 more weeks, I believe till the end of the month.
That was when S went completely silent and people were sniffing something was up. That's when she decided to come out. She decided to keep silent until the very last moment, similar to very recent cases, don't you think?
So no, it's not shitty. It's the truth.
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The lying part is bad, yes, though I it sounds like that's in large part because the people she worked for made a liar out of her. If she said "X is happening" and believed it would, and then the people in power fuck it up... eh. But, I don't know the specifics -- that's just how it sounded like to me.
But honestly it was neither her responsibility nor place to out the company she works for. She could get kudos for doing so, maybe, but I still think blaming her for just hunkering down and trying to do her job as long as she can is unfair. At worst, she's an enabler.
I do believe most of what she said is true, and the she is probably the most trustworthy source of information. But I don't think she should be free of any guilt, as you said yourself she made herself an enabler. The PR position was nothing she freely choosed, tho, and perhaps by peer preassure or any other reasons she had to be the one covering up for most fucks up. But covering up is usually not a good thing, specially when money is involved.
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Strange I can't find the "project" S-Purple started anymore on Patreon...
Also as I cited earlier form the BS blog: HBomb claims that he WANTED to hire a project manager, but S-Purple vetoed that move (which S-Purple surely could have done with him having as much to say as HBomb). So HBomb was stuck with managing the project without any experience on how to do it.
HBomb seems like a person that trusted his "partner" to much and gave far to much power away to keep the project running if his "partner" would have tried to stop it. HBomb made a very rookie mistake in business/management terms maybe because he was just happy to get his project running.
BUT he still should have tried to get some professional "help" to keep the project running. Heck he even should have tried to IMMEDIATELY tell the Patrons that he can't handle the organisation and stuff and wants a manager (as he promised), BUT S-Purple is blocking such a thing . Surely that would have cost some trust in BS and maybe even driven S-Purple away, but it could have saved BS in the long run/saved many months of working in circles.
Some ppl in the blog comments also seem to look into the laws and stuff in hopes that they can find things to stop BS dying.
One person says that what S-Purple did was criminal sabotage, as it seems that he ACTIVELY went against HBombs orders, through them hurting BS and even started working on his own project with assets from BS before it was even clear that BS was dead. I personaly find it VERY fishy that he started his new project and wanted to sell it as a "saving of BS content" while BS was still running and he had the power to "kill" BS at any time he wanted. (conflict of interest anyone?)
Also as I cited earlier form the BS blog: HBomb claims that he WANTED to hire a project manager, but S-Purple vetoed that move (which S-Purple surely could have done with him having as much to say as HBomb). So HBomb was stuck with managing the project without any experience on how to do it.
HBomb seems like a person that trusted his "partner" to much and gave far to much power away to keep the project running if his "partner" would have tried to stop it. HBomb made a very rookie mistake in business/management terms maybe because he was just happy to get his project running.
BUT he still should have tried to get some professional "help" to keep the project running. Heck he even should have tried to IMMEDIATELY tell the Patrons that he can't handle the organisation and stuff and wants a manager (as he promised), BUT S-Purple is blocking such a thing . Surely that would have cost some trust in BS and maybe even driven S-Purple away, but it could have saved BS in the long run/saved many months of working in circles.
Some ppl in the blog comments also seem to look into the laws and stuff in hopes that they can find things to stop BS dying.
One person says that what S-Purple did was criminal sabotage, as it seems that he ACTIVELY went against HBombs orders, through them hurting BS and even started working on his own project with assets from BS before it was even clear that BS was dead. I personaly find it VERY fishy that he started his new project and wanted to sell it as a "saving of BS content" while BS was still running and he had the power to "kill" BS at any time he wanted. (conflict of interest anyone?)
I doubt this will be a popular sentiment. But I view patreon and all of it's ilk like I do loaning money to anyone. I NEVER expect to see such money returned. EVER because it is exactly that expectation that creates this kind of drama. As you can imagine I don't loan out a lot of money. but I still do from time to time. I guess the point I had to say is made.
No, it doesn't, just like the west 90% of japans character design fall under the same generic trends that make its fans flock to it. You just prefer the style in which it is depicted in and especially in the 3d character models... you're kidding right? Half the time Japans games 3d models look decent is when they aren't trying to make it anime and more representational or realistic which in that case is literally no different from the west.
That is the sketchiest plan. The art he submited to his own patreon work doesn't look like the product of one day of work. Not considering how this guy actually works.
Fenoxo, Savin and everyone here always like to talk about how non-productive they get when they are writing 10k words a day or shit like that. This guy actually stream himself watching 3 movies while retouching the same drawing he already finished and barely doing anything to it.
No he had to be planning this shit for a while now, and that's probably the most unforgivable part. How he made sure he burned th competition completely, while selling himself with a new project.
Also I'm sure this is happening because they made Ferris a I AM A BIG STINKY BRAIN. 100% sure of that.
When you loan someone money, you have to expect it back otherwise it's not a loan. Your policy might work for giving friends, family, and homeless people cash. But Breeding Season was a game bringing in tens of thousands of dollars every month. You have to expect some return on investment on that kind of money otherwise you'd never offer it. And without lenders offering lots of money there'd be a shit ton of ideas and companies that can never get off the ground.
She did exactly what she should have. She didn't stir up shit. If she told people what was going on and funding got pulled while H and S were negotiating a deal she'd have been responsible for killing the game (as well as all the money they lost when funding was pulled even if the negotiation wasn't going anywhere). If she got something wrong or things changed after she spoke up she'd have been responsible for thousands of dollars in damages. Unless it's illegal and you have absolute proof that it's going on, you're not whistle-blowing. You're just some asshole biting the hand that feeds you and possibly getting sued for way more money than you can pay.
I'm not surprised at all to hear BS has been cancelled. Releases were always slow, new content was rarely added, and the mechanics were in desperate need of an overhaul that for some reason never happened despite being promised a year ago. It had some nice potential. But, like so many before, it aimed too high only to come crashing down when someone couldn't or wouldn't see the project through to the end.
Many people have no experience with this, so I'm not surprised to see this reaction. But as a first hand experience, you are supposed to inform about more than sketchy behaviour, else you will be found guilty and involved, and will be punished for it accordingly, and we are still paying heavily for watching and letting it happen. It sucks, but thats how it works. It costed not only the job, but the credibility.
Now nobody would have blamed her, specially because a TON of people saw this comming for a while now. All of this didn't suddenly happen. She could have done exactly what she did, but way sooner. Clean her hands faster. Bitting the hand that feeds her my ass. Nobody is hold accountable for not wanting to partake in a shit fest. Don't take this as me bashing her, ultimately she is a bystander to this 2 fucks and I'm sad she got caught in their BS. She is gonna be fine after all of this.
Edit: I love how HentaiWriter is using this to shamelessly promote his own game. I respect that.
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I'm guessing you're talking about public blame, because if all you have is sketchy behavior most law enforcement agencies won't even investigate based on that. There's no way someone would be held legally accountable for not telling the public about a shit fest building up. Someone can, however, be held legally and financially accountable for taking actions that cost their employer money. If she did anything that stopped, or even reduced, funding Hbomb could have sued her for every penny. In fact, he could even have called it slander and thrown on punitive damages (although a judge would be less likely to award that given the situation).
Ehhh, or just politely going away, cleaning her hands and just moving out, instead of covering up for most of their lies, while getting paid. That too is a possibility. While I don't hold her responsable for not saying shit, I do hold her responsible for continuing the farce.
Edit: As of the time I'm doing this edit S new project (Cloudy Meadows) has 315 supporters that already gave $1,280. I'm actually amazed people don't give a fuck about what they pay for. I could live for the rest of the year with that money.
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You would think people would think twice before funding a project after what has happened to Breeding Season, but there are some people who will throw money at anything. It doesn't matter how shady the project's roots are. If the project looks even remotely promising, the money will pour.
I'm not going to talk too much. I know I will at least play the game once, but only if there is a public release around.
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ESPECIALLY if its porn...or nostalgia.
Yeah, I'll probably give it a try if he makes a free public release, but ONLY if it has a male pc, which it probably won't because fuck guys who want to play as men and have sex and breed with monsters, right? Either way, I ain't giving that bastard anything, I'd rather get it some other way.
Double for anything nostalgia. There are a couple of films that come to mind who just use nostalgia to make a quick buck.
I'm hoping he does add a male PC too. It was one of the things that made Breeding Season stand out, and if S-Purple wants to really kill the competition, putting in a male PC would do it. That is if S-Purple doesn't abandon a project mid way again.
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I don't think Hbomb realizes the strength of his position if he actually talks to a lawyer. When S-purple bailed without talking to anyone... that is job abandonment.
Spurple may have forfeited his ability to revoke access to those art assets.
Hbomb needs to talk this over with a lawyer.
Spurple may have forfeited his ability to revoke access to those art assets.
Hbomb needs to talk this over with a lawyer.
No, it works anywhere. Ask any investment banker when they AREN'T handling your money. Never invest money you can't afford to NEVER see again. Do you invest with the hope and possibly even expectation (if you're fooling yourself) of return? Sure you do, you WANT a return on your investment. But there's NO such thing as a zero risk investment. It wouldn't be investment then. It would be banking or some other term.
As far as the whole BS company, in the end the whole thing comes down to one simple thing was the company incorporated? If they were, there's not a legal leg to stand on going against almost any of them unless you could prove defrauding the company itself. Or something similar.
S-Purple has posted his side of the story now: http://s-purple.tumblr.com/
From the sounds of things bad management and poor work ethic from H-Bomb (which we already knew was the case) is his primary issue and his claim for why he is reserving the art was to make sure that the Patreons didn't continue wasting their money on a hopeless project.
I don't agree with him that he has a responsibility to shut down the project, nor that he should have worked on a different project without first quitting Breeding Season. That said, H-Bomb definitely should not have attacked him or posted personal information.
From the sounds of things bad management and poor work ethic from H-Bomb (which we already knew was the case) is his primary issue and his claim for why he is reserving the art was to make sure that the Patreons didn't continue wasting their money on a hopeless project.
I don't agree with him that he has a responsibility to shut down the project, nor that he should have worked on a different project without first quitting Breeding Season. That said, H-Bomb definitely should not have attacked him or posted personal information.
There's a big difference between knowing you're taking a risk, and not expecting to get your money back.. Investment bankers don't give out money thinking they'll never get it back. They take a calculated risk based on how likely they are to get their money back with interest. This is also where collateral comes in. If you don't or can't pay back a loan your lender takes something of equal or greater value to it.
And that is all an ATTEMPT to minimize (not eliminate) risk. Again I'm not saying there's not risk quite the opposite it's EXPECTATION. As soon as you set your mind on an outcome of whatever situation especially things like monetary risk, you've lost sight of what you're doing.When it comes to collateral it is RARELY in excess of the original investment and if it is it must be sold off, usually at auction, so that the loan originator is not overpaid. There is NOTHING wrong with desiring a return on your investment, but you gave it away. Unless you're fully funding a thing or part of a small group of individuals who are pooling resources (a la film producers), where you ACTUALLY get some say in how the process is being undertaken. Getting bent out of shape when something doesn't go as expected is only a recipe for this kind of drama. THAT is the point. Long story short, any of you want to whinge and whine about money lost in to a VENTURE CAPITAL INVESTMENT. then by all means go ahead, but there's no sympathy here.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Or you've done a very poor job of expressing your opinion. Lenders HAVE to expect to get paid back when they provide a loan or investment. Yes, there is a risk that they won't get it. I never said there wasn't, nor did I indicate that you said so. But if they don't have an expectation of being paid back it ceases to be a loan/investment and becomes a gift that the receiver isn't required to pay back.
Ex. If I give you $20,000 to buy a new car and I expect you to pay me back $25,000, but you don't pay me back the full amount I can sue you for the money. If you can't pay the full amount the car can act as collateral and I can get at least some of my money back. If I give you the money with no expectation of getting paid back, I can hope that you'll do the right thing but I can't force you to pay me or take collateral. Without the reasonable expectation of getting a return on my investment it's just a gift and I'm up shit creek without a paddle when you decide not to pay me back.
I don't see anyone asking for your sympathy. And with how sketchy things were towards the end, a lot of those people should have known better and withdrawn their funding. But everyone who funded BS did so with the expectation that it would at least be finished, and they have a good reason to get upset about it being cancelled. Considering the fact that SPurple seems to have been preparing a new project before leaving, they also have a valid reason to look into potential legal responses. That's just the smart thing to do if they have any chance of getting their money back. It doesn't need your support or sympathy. And you must stalking comment sections where funders are complaining, because there's nothing here that could be described as whinging.
There is a POWERFUL key ingredient missing in the things that you're speaking of, CONTRACT. There is no such contract that I am aware of in any of this.
I can accept that I do not agree with the majority and I began the whole thing expressing a certainty that my stance would be unpopular. In any case I will not feed this fire any further. Enjoy the drama
I can accept that I do not agree with the majority and I began the whole thing expressing a certainty that my stance would be unpopular. In any case I will not feed this fire any further. Enjoy the drama
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