Not A Bug Becoming Kitsune & Tail Break

[SheepyCloud]

I don't know what my browser version is, haven't updated it in a while either (Using Firefox, and it updates almost daily) nor do i know where to check for it.

Not sure this is a bug that shows up in Dev Console. (I did check, but i have no idea what I'm looking for)

 

[SheepyCloud]

Due to some stupid ass errors i can't even upload my SS's of the bug...

 

[SheepyCloud]

(Forced to use Image URL smh)

 

[Malidica]

I can't stop laughing...

 

[The Observer]

(Laughs) Not a bug. You save edit, and are surprised unexpected things happen?

 

[The First Weeabo]

Each one soft and silken

 

[Aury]

(Forced to use Image URL smh)

God damnit, that got a chuckle. I’m just imagining some poor narrator taking a deep breath before having to belt all of that out.

 

[The Observer]

We could easily cap it at nine but I think this is a funny way to catch all the people who mess with their files without knowing what they're doing.

 

[Malpha]

You're like some fucking eldritch being. An old god of fluff, jesus.

 

[WolframL]

Floofthulhu!

 

[Malidica]

No, no there is no eldritch god, that number is beyond human comprehension, that's not a planet of tails, that's a whole universe stuffed full of tails, so much so the entire thing has collapsed into a blackhole, so very many many times over.

It is such an unfathomably huge number, you could never hope to count it, you couldn't count it if every living human all started counting different sections at once, everyone would be dead before even a blip of it had been counted. It's just that massive.

I'm not even sure what the exact number is, '9e + 305', what's that in the code @Upcast Drake ?

 

[Aury]

I'm not even sure what the exact number is, '9e + 305’.

Well, punching it into my calculator gave me an overflow error, so clearly it’s an amount beyond the scope of a TI-30XS’ comprehension.

 

[Upcast Drake]

No, no there is no eldritch god, that number is beyond human comprehension, that's not a planet of tails, that's a whole universe stuffed full of tails, so much so the entire thing has collapsed into a blackhole, so very many many times over.

It is such an unfathomably huge number, you could never hope to count it, you couldn't count it if every living human all started counting different sections at once, everyone would be dead before even a blip of it had been counted. It's just that massive.

I'm not even sure what the exact number is, '9e + 305', what's that in the code @Upcast Drake ?

9 * 10^305

 

[Upcast Drake]

9 * 10^305

This is many orders of magnitude larger than the estimated number of atoms in the entire universe.

 

[Malidica]

9 * 10^305

This is many orders of magnitude larger than the estimated number of atoms in the entire universe.

Yep, as i suspected, many many many many orders of magnitude above.

 

[Malidica]

So obviously this is all in completely broken error, but why do you think the code spits the written answer out in an even more broken way than it already is? This shit is so funny i just want to see the behind the scenes of it.

 

[Upcast Drake]

So obviously this is all in completely broken error, but why do you think the code spits the written answer out in an even more broken way than it already is? This shit is so funny i just want to see the behind the scenes of it.

The code for integers to text only handles up to millions, if there's number past that it just treats it as multiples of millions. Hence "million million million" etc.

 

[Malidica]

So the number is, if written out, not just 9 x 10^305 but a series of integers from 0 to 9, of a length 10^305? And it tries to count each one out as something-something-something-million? Spilling over and restarting for the next 'millions'?

 

[Upcast Drake]

So the number is, if written out, not just 9 x 10^305 but a series of integers from 0 to 9, of a length 10^305? And it tries to count each one out as something-something-something-million? Spilling over and restarting for the next 'millions'?

The code treats it as an integer, but it's a floating point number. Floating point number are inherently imprecise. As part of the algorithm, it does subtraction and multiplication. Doing subtraction and multiplication on extremely large floating point number will cause the results to be heavily rounded to the closest possible floating point approximation.

 

[Malidica]

So, ok well if it's all one big printed answer to a calculation that's one thing but from the way it reads it's like its calculating the answer in chunks, like four hundred and seventy six million, eight thousand four hundred million million, etc.

Which of the two is it?

 

[Upcast Drake]

So, ok well if it's all one big printed answer to a calculation that's one thing but from the way it reads it's like its calculating the answer in chunks, like four hundred and seventy six million, eight thousand four hundred million million, etc.

Which of the two is it?

It's a recursive function that iterates based on millions.

 

[Malidica]

It's a recursive function that iterates based on millions.

Hahahaha well that explains it. Cheers.

 

[SheepyCloud]

I only use the editor to toss out two things though.

 

[Paradox01]

I only use the editor to toss out two things though.

Logic and reason?

 

[Aury]

I only use the editor to toss out two things though.

The bounds and limitations of the universe as we know it?

 

[Paradox01]

I only use the editor to toss out two things though.

Sanity and uninsanity!

 

[SheepyCloud]

Logic and reason?

No, I edit out my Class & Background, just to make the game a little more difficult. Without additional starting stats, combat is just a bit harder than with them.
I like the challenge, that's why i edit those two things out. On a sidenote it's also fun seeing myself as a "vagrant".

 

[Rear Admiral Chimera]

By removing core parts of the game, one should expect some sort of fuckery to occur. Ergo, this is not a bug due to the game being tampered with. A champion with no class is not possible within normal functions of the game.

 

[WolframL]

Just because I have to know, you did read the warning the save editor makes you acknowledge before editing, right? The one that says 'Yo, messing with your saves can totally mess up the game'. And the warning when trying to load that same save in the game that hey, it knows you've tampered with things and it might make your game behave oddly. You read those?

No, I edit out my Class & Background, just to make the game a little more difficult. Without additional starting stats, combat is just a bit harder than with them.
I like the challenge, that's why i edit those two things out. On a sidenote it's also fun seeing myself as a "vagrant".

I have no involvement at all with coding generally or how CoC2 is done specifically and I'm sure the devs can give you a much more detailed explanation for why your attempt to mess with the code has fucked things up so beautifully, but here's some layman's thoughts on your problem:

- Class and Background are fundamental to the Champion, being part of the game from character creation. The game will repeatedly check for these things in dialogue and in challenges and it expects to find one of several preset values in there. By editing those out, you're pretty much guaranteeing that the game divides by zero sooner or later. Think of save editing as throwing a spanner into the moving gears that represent the game's code. You're praying that it doesn't get caught in the gears and cause something to break and the more you change or the bigger a thing you change, the bigger the metaphorical spanner is that you're chucking.

- Your tail count is calculated based on your Champion's level minus one (with a minimum of two tails). Exactly how that formula looks in the code, I don't think anyone has shared but the fact that it's based on your level should tell you something: Any buggering around with things touching on your level have a chance to affect that calculation. Hell, any buggering around anywhere might affect it but doing things that specifically fuck with calculations related to levels are way more likely to break something.

- If you really want a challenge build as if you have no Class or Background in a leveling sense, it's far easier to manually lower your starting stats and then manually lower them again when you level up so they stay at whatever point you deem appropriate, don't equip Powers you don't want to and just live with the fact that you've got Perks. That's way less likely to break something.

 

[Emerald]

No, I edit out my Class & Background, just to make the game a little more difficult. Without additional starting stats, combat is just a bit harder than with them.
I like the challenge, that's why i edit those two things out. On a sidenote it's also fun seeing myself as a "vagrant".

I'm no coder at all, but you literally tossed out THE two fundamental things to the PC character's coding and DIDN'T expect that to fuck with your game somehow? (Seeing as you likely didn't read the warning that comes with a tampered save or just ignored it)
That "challenge" as you put it isn't worth it in the slightest if it ends up breaking stuff.

If you want a challenge redistribute your stats to a trainer or something.