Reaha Backer Poll

[Chase]

You know I went to work and came back and this entire thread kind of swerved off a bridge and into a giant canyon. Hem, not that tere is an issue with that. Reading over the (on topic) comments makes me happy but also sad because spoilers. Happy mostly because I can keep my Reaha and it's not impossible for possible breaking new texas content in the future (not that it is really that bad of place honestly).

 

[Gardeford]

Though actually, thinking about it, I wouldn't mind a good horror dungeon where Captain Steele's usual confidence falters and they're put in a desperate survival situation against something their weapons and teases just don't work on, having to run away and hide from it while they look for a way out.  I tried to capture a bit of that sense of fear with the janeria, though I'm sure Fen could do better.

I wanted to do this but it's reason for existing was shoddy at best

 

[EmperorG]

Well this thread went places, but that's par for the course ain't it? 


Anyway, as for all this talk of horror dungeons, the scariest example I can think of from a non-horror game would be the one from Pikmin2:  http://pikmin.wikia.com/wiki/Waterwraith


Comes out of nowhere and chases you throughout  the whole dungeon, in a game where you are not expecting to be hunted down and not a single other boss does anything even close. That fucker is the thing of nightmares, though once you turn the tables on him finally it is very very rewarding.

 

[Azdraik]

Mission accomplished.

Well that was not the purpose of the thread.  Heck was just an honest question.  If I wanted to rile Savin up I would of wrote a wall of text about preggers.

 

[Kesil]

In Final Fantasy 6, you suplex a ghost train. The ghost train is obviously a crazy supernatural force that the PC's are lucky to have survived, not a terribly weak shit-heap (even if you overlevel and stomp it).

Alternatively (I was never keen on Sabin's combos), you can just drop a Phoenix Down on it. Just like you can defeat Ultima Weapon (a formidable being made out of pure magic) by sapping its MP. They're there to show you that there's more than brute force to defeat a seemingly almighty foe. If ranged attacks don't work, use melee ones. If melee does shit, go for tease. My techie can stun Lash.

We still get tentacles ... right?

It seems you can't do the nasty with the Kashima Incident infected crew. I hope that won't be the case if/when a similar dungeon gets implemented.

 

[Nik_van_Rijn]

It seems you can't do the nasty with the Kashima Incident infected crew.

Wait, for reals? Not even during bad ends/loss scenes?

 

[balitz Method]

If this topic about a silly poll accomplished anything it's some productive ironing out of how it would even go down. The whole "drug off in the night by the Moostapo" thing seemed pointlessly dark to the point of going against the way New Texas is conceived - and didn't make a whole lot of sense considering she's not even a citizen anymore. Before wondering about whether she should have a dong considering how the character would end up Treated at all is a better question. That idea is literally just forcing the issue; it doesn't seem organic at all.

 

[Azdraik]

If this topic about a silly poll accomplished anything it's some productive ironing out of how it would even go down. The whole "drug off in the night by the Moostapo" thing seemed pointlessly dark to the point of going against the way New Texas is conceived - and didn't make a whole lot of sense considering she's not even a citizen anymore. Before wondering about whether she should have a dong considering how the character would end up Treated at all is a better question. That idea is literally just forcing the issue; it doesn't seem organic at all.

Would of been interesting to go the route of her parents initiating the treatment.  Like her ma in the middle of the night injects her "trying to help" or pa tired of his little girl shirking her responsibilities and forces the treatment.  I could see either of those scenarios playing out pretty well if your sticking to the whole southern theme. 

 

[Kesil]

Wait, for reals? Not even during bad ends/loss scenes?

I took the chance to play the bugged version as a way to trigger as many things as possible (I like to focus on dungeons the way one would in a "serious" game and I rarely feel like reading smexy bits. Weird, I know), defeating enemies by tease and attack, and no smut scenes were available. So I went to the wiki and...


"Commander Henderson does not have a specific sex scene."


"Captain Holmes does not have a specific sex scene. "


"The infected crew members do not have a specific sex scene. "


You can sex Ushamee and Eleanora, though. Whilst I'm okay with bugponies and regular humans, I find it too underwhelming for a taste of that tained space I was so looking forward to.

 

[Nik_van_Rijn]

I took the chance to play the bugged version as a way to trigger as many things as possible (I like to focus on dungeons the way one would in a "serious" game and I rarely feel like reading smexy bits. Weird, I know), defeating enemies by tease and attack, and no smut scenes were available. So I went to the wiki and...


"Commander Henderson does not have a specific sex scene."


"Captain Holmes does not have a specific sex scene. "


"The infected crew members do not have a specific sex scene. "


You can sex Ushamee and Eleanora, though. So underwhelming for a taste of that tained space.

Thanks for your effort. i still hope that it's the case of those scenes missing from the bugged and unfinished version rather than there being no sexy times at all with the infected.

 

[Kesil]

You're welcome. I do too. GitHub does seem to have "yadda yadda, tentacle rape!" lines for loss scenes (and it seems that Holmes and Henderson share the same scene), so not all hope is lost. So it seems I won't play this dungeon the way I normally would :/ Damn porn games and their twisted logic What measure is "not risk of infection" for Steele's nanomachines, son?

 

[Savin]

There are bad-end tentacle rapes in Kashima, as well as banging two tentacle-infected major NPCs. 


There is no point in which you can voluntarily bang normal infected, as any time you encounter them, pausing to do so would invariably get you overrun and bad-ended -- infected travel in huge swarms.

 

[Fenoxo]

If this topic about a silly poll accomplished anything it's some productive ironing out of how it would even go down. The whole "drug off in the night by the Moostapo" thing seemed pointlessly dark to the point of going against the way New Texas is conceived - and didn't make a whole lot of sense considering she's not even a citizen anymore. Before wondering about whether she should have a dong considering how the character would end up Treated at all is a better question. That idea is literally just forcing the issue; it doesn't seem organic at all.

Ahahahah... ahahaha.,... ahhhh....


No, I couldn't talk Savin out of that.

 

[NotYouNorI]

Ahahahah... ahahaha.,... ahhhh....


No, I couldn't talk Savin out of that.

Nooooooo!!!....

 

[EmperorG]

You mean someone being forcibly brainwashed goes against the theme of the planet that forcibly brainwashes its citizens?


Not following that one.

Probably because New Texas is only allowed to brainwash /their/ citizens, if they do it to anyone who isn't a citizen then the rest of the galaxy would be pretty angry. Though our lovable cow girl skirts the line and blurs what is and is not allowed on New Texas a lot.

 

[Noob Salad]

Does she still count as a citizen?

Yeah, in the same way that Jill will still count as a political pawn after she fails her quest and has to be saved from an arranged marriage by PC Steele.


By getting married anyway. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[Savin]

I mean, Reaha was born on NT, does she still count as a citizen? That's literally the only justification they'd need, and that character detail is up to Savin.

Reaha is still a New Texan citizen. She's never lived anywhere else.

 

[balitz Method]

You mean someone being forcibly brainwashed goes against the theme of the planet that forcibly brainwashes its citizens?


Not following that one.

It's the whole secret police angle. That just doesn't seem like something they'd actually do. Given the culture most of them would simply see it as a part of life or even be excited to take it since it's a sort of coming of age ritual for them. Since it is mandatory, though, it feels much more New Texas to simply soft exile anyone who doesn't want to get Treated - more of a "leaving the nest" sort of thing, but still a firm notion that if you refuse the Treatment then you're refusing to live there.


Giving them a goon squad doesn't seem particularly necessary (how often would they even need it, really?) or consistent with their culture; they -are- open about who and what they are and the sinister aspect is clear, too. If the PC takes the Treatment they know what they're getting into. Giving them some blatant hidden dark side like that violates the spirit of the place. Plus force-Treating people who aren't citizens was already agreed to be a line that shouldn't be crossed to the point where the Steph episode was altered. In-universe the Treatment runs a very tight legal line and that would be over it. 


There are definitely better, more lore-friendly, and honestly sexier ways to go about this. In my eyes the compelling part of Reaha's character is that she's so torn between fetishizing the idea of being a cow and fighting the idea with everything she has. I just don't think it's a good step in her character arc for the decision to be so literally forced on her. I've seen Savin agree that New Texas shouldn't go in the direction of sinister secrets since that's missing the point so I can't help but think, having been there a couple of times myself in my own writing, that he's


A) Getting a little too caught up in the idea of Reaha as an anti-Treatment mouthpiece to the detriment of the character - that's part of who she is but she is a character and whether she ultimately decides to resolve her internal conflict by getting Treated or finally, once and for all, rejecting it that should be her choice


B) Not entirely sure how he's going to get Reaha to the point where she'd take it; i.e. he's hitting a wall where he knows a direction she's been promised to go in but isn't entirely sure how to make the character get to that place and so he's literally having to force it to happen


I do think it would be a mistake to do it this way both because I think he's got that arc in him even if he's having trouble with it but also because I doubt too many of her fans want that to be how it happens. Whether you're treating her as a waifu or as a slave it's better from both angles for it to be something Steele helps with or insists on. There's just a lot more emotional gold to be mined from that.

 

[Ormael]

Then I don't understand why people think her being forcibly Treated isn't something NT would pull. It's pretty much totally "justified" by the planet's own twisted logic. :T

Well her old citzenship of been NT is still valid what would rest of galaxy do? Even if she get second one if her orginal one from NT wasn't nulled been Treated against her will would still not break any rule since it was something mandatory in on of her places she got citizenship. Lil detail but can jsutify all Savin will want to make to her.

 

[balitz Method]

The planet's logic is that it's more of an integration issue. Every part of their culture is centered around the Treatment right down to the way they communicate; it's mentioned that scents and the like that the Treatment causes them to produce and gain receptance to are half of how everyone talks to each other and reads the mood of others. They hammer in the fact that an untreated person can't really keep up with Treated people's libido, size, etc. without gene modding, too. An untreated citizen would be quite isolated socially from the rest of the community.


No matter what the Treatment did so long as it centers on such radical reconfiguration it -does- make sense, putting aside any other considerations for a minute, for it to be a requirement to live there or immigrate. And as amicable as its people are that whole angle just doesn't fit their bill. Having a child who doesn't want to be Treated feels more like the "oh god I have a gay son" revelation for their culture - something the community and their family might be shocked to hear but something they'd ultimately have to accept in some way or another.


And if Savin is having trouble thinking of how Reaha could get to a point where she'd agree to take the Treatment I'm afraid he's going to have a lot more trouble writing a convincing way for her to eventually be okay with it. Having it done in such a traumatic manner just seems like it would break her to the point where she'd never truly recover.

 

[Ormael]

Hum all that talk about secret goons and so on made me wonder...if their work on NT their also Treated folks...so how the hell their can work if like rest of the society would their get distracted by single scent of near cow/bull? xD


Quite interesting think who ARE those myusterious goons that force unwiling New Texans peeps to be Treated? Droids like Gianna?

 

[shadefalcon]

Quite interesting think who ARE those myusterious goons that force unwiling New Texans peeps to be Treated? Droids like Gianna?

Definitely not Gianna. After her experience with seeing someone get changed from the treatment, I highly doubt she'd be able to force this on somebody else.

Hum all that talk about secret goons and so on made me wonder...if their work on NT their also Treated folks...so how the hell their can work if like rest of the society would their get distracted by single scent of near cow/bull? xD

They fuck, they get back to work, then they fuck again. It's their equivalent of procrastinating by going back and forth between studies and stuff like youtube videos, visiting forums etc.

 

[balitz Method]

You mean the part where they openly and freely admit to brainwashing their entire populace whether an individual consent to it or not?


Where are you getting the idea that NT isn't a horrendously grimdark dystopia filled with fake smiles and a populace kept placid and insensate by artificial drug-induced happiness? NT is a fucking nightmare

Openly and freely are the key words here. You never get the sense that they're hiding something like that specifically because they're upfront about it. They're not dosing the water or something; this is a thing that everyone is aware of and giving them secret police feels like it's also forcing New Texas to have this hidden dark side that justifies everyone who finds it so repugnant. At the point where they drag people off into the night there would be no ambiguity or quandary and that time the entire concept of the place falls apart. At that point we're told it's a facade with no room for thinking otherwise.


The idea of New Texas and the Treatment is that it -isn't- a facade. People there are happy, generally kind, and free from many of the worries other places have. That part's not fake. It's the fact that their culture is this constructed entity that they're actively perpetuating through gene mods (ones that cater to fetishes) that both makes it creepy and gives it its siren song allure. It's a bit of a joke as Porn Logic: the planet and also a fairly interesting and, for those who're into it, arousing way to explore the real idea of keeping society happy by keeping it dosed.


In trying to explore what's repellent about it the alluring parts (or at least the intriguing parts) shouldn't be tossed out the window - not for the planet or for the character. Reaha's miserable and Treating her will be more interesting route if it's the promise of finally leaving that behind that does it for her (and then, as an amazon, it can be a more positive character arc where she rediscovers her willpower instead of "fuck you for letting this happen to me but I'll still screw you I guess".

 

[Fenoxo]

It's the whole secret police angle. That just doesn't seem like something they'd actually do. Given the culture most of them would simply see it as a part of life or even be excited to take it since it's a sort of coming of age ritual for them. Since it is mandatory, though, it feels much more New Texas to simply soft exile anyone who doesn't want to get Treated - more of a "leaving the nest" sort of thing, but still a firm notion that if you refuse the Treatment then you're refusing to live there.


Giving them a goon squad doesn't seem particularly necessary (how often would they even need it, really?) or consistent with their culture; they -are- open about who and what they are and the sinister aspect is clear, too. If the PC takes the Treatment they know what they're getting into. Giving them some blatant hidden dark side like that violates the spirit of the place. Plus force-Treating people who aren't citizens was already agreed to be a line that shouldn't be crossed to the point where the Steph episode was altered. In-universe the Treatment runs a very tight legal line and that would be over it. 


There are definitely better, more lore-friendly, and honestly sexier ways to go about this. In my eyes the compelling part of Reaha's character is that she's so torn between fetishizing the idea of being a cow and fighting the idea with everything she has. I just don't think it's a good step in her character arc for the decision to be so literally forced on her. I've seen Savin agree that New Texas shouldn't go in the direction of sinister secrets since that's missing the point so I can't help but think, having been there a couple of times myself in my own writing, that he's


A) Getting a little too caught up in the idea of Reaha as an anti-Treatment mouthpiece to the detriment of the character - that's part of who she is but she is a character and whether she ultimately decides to resolve her internal conflict by getting Treated or finally, once and for all, rejecting it that should be her choice


B) Not entirely sure how he's going to get Reaha to the point where she'd take it; i.e. he's hitting a wall where he knows a direction she's been promised to go in but isn't entirely sure how to make the character get to that place and so he's literally having to force it to happen


I do think it would be a mistake to do it this way both because I think he's got that arc in him even if he's having trouble with it but also because I doubt too many of her fans want that to be how it happens. Whether you're treating her as a waifu or as a slave it's better from both angles for it to be something Steele helps with or insists on. There's just a lot more emotional gold to be mined from that.

Moral debates that this thread isn't really about aside, this post really nails some of my issues with this expansion.

 

[JohanLitvisk]

I think part of the problem with NT besides the forced treatment at 18 is the confusion about what the treatment actually does. The way the treatment is supposed to act is to not kill the brain cells of the treated (especially females) but simple rewire the brain to have a it's priorities shifted around but still have the same general intelligence. I think this what Fen and the pro-treatment people keep trying to explain to us (NT is still fucking disgusting regardless). But the real fucking issue is that treatment itself as an item doesn't fucking communicate that in-game. Why the fuck does a drug that supposedly makes people just think differently but have the same intelligence associated with shit like Weak Willed and Weak Minded? Why the fuck do most of the treated bimbos default to a stereotypical, cliche and fucking trite speech pattern? If the treatment is just about making people think differently than they would when not treated and gain bovine traits, why are most of the female residents generally stupid (and dare I say vapid)?


The fact that it was a woman who even thought of the treatment doesn't make it any better fam. It's still fucking scummy as fuck. The moostapo may come off as needless dark, but remember folks: being a NT citizen means getting treated whether you like it or not. That in of itself is dark as fuck. The whole point of Reaha getting treated is because of Steele holding the idiot ball despite fully knowing how NT operates. I say we keep the moostapo dragging Reaha of to get treated. It's complete in character with the darker aspects of NT.

 

[Fenoxo]

That feeling when you write like two posts and delete them each time because you realize they'll accomplish nothing and convince noone of anything. Look, hate New Texas if you want, but I'm definitely going to take issue with shit that tries to blatantly paint it black.

But nothing about Savin's plan strikes me as remotely out of character for NT.

We get it, you hate NT and the Treatment.

 

[eveoflife]

But nothing about Savin's plan strikes me as remotely out of character for NT. If they didn't force-Treat citizens (implying they need a way to enforce that ultimatum), I could see some issues with it being overly dark, but it doesn't get much darker than what NT already is.

That feeling when you write like two posts and delete them each time because you realize they'll accomplish nothing and convince noone of anything. Look, hate New Texas if you want, but I'm definitely going to take issue with shit that tries to blatantly paint it black.


We get it, you hate NT and the Treatment.

*Flattens ears & tucks tail between legs* L-Lets just take a breather. Please?

 

[JohanLitvisk]

This the whole problem with discussion New Texas as a whole. Everything always goes to shit when people get involved and people start getting heated about this shit. There's a vocal minority that really fucking hate NT & the treatment. As much as I fucking despise it the treatments gonna stay in the game because it's an integral part of the game. What started off as general discussion about the whole Reaha expansion became one big fuckfest about NT as a whole. I feel there's a lot of accentuation of the negatives. The general assumption is that everyone on NT is fine with this forced treatment and its effects when there are clear black sheep (Zephyr comes to mind). It's not all doom and gloom as New Texas is a relatively isolated entity from the rest of the game in terms of story impact. It's literally a once off non-story planet people. You have no reason to even go there. There are outlets to getting a bovine look without even going to NT (Bovinium and MinoCharge). Jesus...

 

[Fenoxo]

My discord pitch on how I'd do Treated Reaha:

[7:29 PM] Bronoxo: It'd be way cooler if Reaha met her family, helped her sister escape or whatever, and along the way realized that ever since SHE ran, she's basically been trying to Treat herself her whole life, then turns to the PC for what to do about it.




 






 


[7:30 PM] Bronoxo: "Some of my sisters were actually fairly well put together, for a bunch of cum-sucking cows... but I'm basically a cum-sucking fuckslut, and I don't even get to be happy about it! What do?"




 






 


[7:30 PM] Bronoxo: Give Medipen, have teary hugsex and promise you'll be good to her, Reaha gets a big ol' dick, gets happier, and is super thrilled when the Treatment is 100% upsides for her with no downsides.

 

[eveoflife]

My discord pitch on how I'd do Treated Reaha:

Has my boner approval.