Martial and Magic characters have entirely different mechanisms of scaling: magician characters' base damage is drawn from their powers, and modified heavily by their gear; martial characters' base damage is drawn from their gear and heavily modified by their powers. There's not meant to be parity in stat numbers there.
i just find it odd that there is like 5 unique staff in the game(that i know of) 4 of wich you can get really early in game
I know what the perk does but compared to other classes both of the perks for bm seem underwhelming and boring when you consider that charmer got the same perk (diferent stat but same effect).
I mean the rest of thief is basically on par with the rest. Thief just happens to have the one specific perk that doubles DoT damage in a game where the most damaging spells have their damage significantly backloaded into DoTs. You could imagine a suite of powers that would make Eye for Weakness not numerically dumpster every alternative, but it would be very different from what's in the game right now.
the hightest spell pen(of the gear i know) is 88 with gear + perk and natural pen so I don't know how you reach 99
Honestly, most fights don't last long enough for the extra debuff duration to make that much of a difference imo
Understandable, i once suggested an thing that would give you the chance on an offensive spell cast the ability to repat the spell but doing an extra half (or less) damage equal to the former spells damage value and type casted and would also re-apply any offensive effect (if damage it would also do half or less) or debuffs (in case they were resisted) for an second time.
I went to respond to an post you made yesterday but couldn't write the content due to an problem having arrised that would not allow me to write anything, so it just send you an empty reply. ^^
This 100% its not mechanically bad at all, its just not very exciting or flashy
I got to 120 spell penetration using the Cloudforger, Amulet Of Transference, Tome Holster, Geomancer's Bracers, Weed-walkers, Ring Of Pale Flame, and the Ring of Fortune or Guldring. Make sure you max out the strength attribute since that is the base stat used for spell penetration.
The calculation is (100/(100 + (warding - spell penetration)) with it stopping at 1 for the denominator. So if you have 50 spell penetration and the enemy has 0 warding then you do (100/50) or 2x as much damage. You have 90 more then you do (100/10) or 10x damage, and if you have 99 more than them then you do (100/1) or 100x as much damage.
Huh..kinda weird that strength increases spell pen
Gonna be honest I'm kind of skeptical of those numbers mainly because they have been conservative with the modifier of the class perk
The armor penetration, spell penetration, and temptation stats all start with your base strength stat.
You can double check the game's code if you want. Its the effectiveDamageMultiplier function in the game's CombatHelper object.
damage = e.damageMult(damage, e.effectiveDamageMultiplier(a.warding() - spellPenetration, t.hasPerk(PERKS.Wardbreaker)));
effectiveDamageMultiplier = (damageMod, WardBreakerPerk) => {
if (damageMod <= 0 && !WardBreakerPerk) {
return 1;
} else {
if (damageMod <= -100) {
damageMod = -99;
}
return 100 / (100 + damageMod);
}
}
You can't get the Tome Holder without using the console or the Amulet of Transference and Kiyoko Bi at the same time. I totally forgot about the Channeler Stance adding 20 to the spell penetration. With you figuring out how to get spell pen to 141 you can one shot any single enemy with less than 130ish ward. Withering Bolt applies the withering effect before you do the damage so about a 50 point drop in ward can be made.
Some enemies have damage type immunity. Just use an element type he isn't immune to like a spell with storm damage and you'll still one shot him.
Holy shit i retract everything I've ever said about this perk. Wtaf are those damage numbers. Do you still need max strength for this or?I was dubious since Amulet of Transference costs Kiyoko to have in your possession (so you can't have spell pen from the amulet and Kitsune-Bi Kiyoko at the same time) and Tome Holster isn't obtainable (unless it actually is, in which case please correct me), but the new piece of gear I hadn't considered before is the new prone/stun immunity armor, which enables you to use the Channeler Stance at-will (20 spell pen) without being interrupted. With a juice and Wooden Rod and Blank Scroll in your weapon slots (30 spell pen vs Cloudforger 20) mostly replacing the 13 spell pen missing from the amulet+Tome Holster, you're at 141 spell pen, uninterruptible (unless silenced), and guaranteed to act after Kiyoko's turn 1 Entropic Fortune. Anything with 82 ward or less and no boss-specific one shot protection is deleted on the first turn.
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So with respect to both thinking there isn't enough penetration in the game for the new Black Mage perk to catch up to Eye for Weakness and gear not having a substantial role to play in closing the gap, I'm happy to say I was wrong. There will probably still be some fights where high ward/encounter specific damage caps favor Eye for Weakness (Reggie), but after ~3 years in the game mechanical wasteland Black Mage finally has a reason to exist late game.
