No the game always costs money because you have the option to pay for it either through buying it on steam or contributing through Patreon. There is no free public build in Ba Sing Se.
Your Gripes With CoC2
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what's your fucking problem rn? like genuinely why are you heated, i am legitimately confused as to your motivations
I'm heated because saying ''the game isn't free because I chose the completely optional step to pay for it'' makes no sense and Ace Hangman is insinuating that I'm somehow disparaging the game or that I'm lesser if I haven't chipped in with money, not to mention implying I've pirated it. Forget it, this argument is pointless and I shouldn't have even said anything in the first place. I'm gonna drop it.
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I think corruption routes, for most people here, is like a toy you never played with, when you had it it was eh and now that you dont have it you lement on what COULDVE been, even though you never played it
also ace was being a little bit of a jerk there, everyone here is playing, and not everyone is paying or even contributing outside of a few bug or grammar reports, maybe not even that, insinuating that someone pirated the game(literally how, they give it to you for free), or that its a bad thing they didnt contribute to making the game is very weirdly elitist for a goon game
You are entitled to your opinion. If you can't see that TheIrishOtaku made a comment that didn't address anything other than make a direct reply and dismissive, derogatory remark to someone's reply, a post which was not humorous, joking, or unserious, or trolling, and was just my honest statement that I paid the game, and I sure as hell didn't see a free version on Steam, which is where I got it, and you think that was appropriate. By all means, give him a Thumbs Up. His post was literally nothing but an attempt to belittle and dismiss someone's comment while adding nothing.
My response to him was literally, 'if you didn't chip in, good for you.' Not name-calling, not calling him pathetic, not a scum-sucking freeloader. Then ended with 'Weird flex, though.' So unless you're claiming 'Weird flex' is some jerky response... I guess we can see who instigated it. He already said he wanted to drop it, not that he wanted someone else to jump in and keep it going.
You take zero responsibility for the things you say and this response just proves it. I do regret my initial post but once again your response was disproportional and defensive as all hell. I stand by my statement that you are being illogical and pretentious and you are objectively wrong about the game not being free because you happened to pay for it on steam. Just because you somehow have remained unaware that the public build of the game exists all this time does not make you correct. I also don't appreciate you extrapolating my original post to imply that I was disparaging the game and implying that I pirated it. The fact that you won't even admit you did it is shameful. I personally think you're intellectually dishonest and a concern troll of the highest calibre. I hope that 15 bucks or whatever you paid for the game can buy you a sense of accountability and a better sense of humor to boot. Now I'm done, with you and these forums. This place just brings out the worst in me and many others and is honestly toxic to the extreme. Ban my account if you want, it would be a relief not to have even the temptation to return to this place again.
Back to the topic at hand, I personally wish their were more male companions. Obviously the companion ship has long sailed but I can dream! I'm truly hoping Quin will eventually get new content. Even if he doesn't, I hope he's not removed as a companion due to lack of content.
I think bluebird was planning to do more quin stuff
I would gladly play corruption routes, but there is the catch: they are half-maded and unplayable. I can start any of them and they will lead me nowhere. It is like playing Lego, but you missing 70% of blocks. Sure as day I can imagine that I have all of them, but imaginary blocks don't stacks with real ones.
Yeah. Like no CoC expert, but starting with CoC2, branching out in to TiTS, and then dipping my toes in CoC little to check it out(once I even managed to find a functioning Flash player anyway), from what little I played it… eh, much prefer the tones of CoC2 and TiTS myself.
It ain’t even just the much higher levels of non-con and the like(though that certainly doesn’t help), even just the whole camp hub and exploration format just… doesn’t really feel as immersive. Like the character doesn’t even feel so much a part of the world, so much as a wondering half out of phase spector.
… Also, for all the demons get hyped up in CoC2, the world, what I saw of it anyway, in CoC kinda felt way less apocalyptic then I was expecting. Particularly compared to how bad things seem to get in CoC2 after like just a few months of a demon running around.
Meh, I think the reason for this is that corruption content in a corrupted world (seriously, there is no real effort to have sex because everyone is available almost immediately or rapes you!) is quite boring and makes no sense whatsoever; more so, rape, which I really don't like, isn't frowned upon but a normal state of might makes right, so what is corruption in such a world? Bimbo Azzy was cool and all but how is that any different from normal Azzy? The choices up til now that should change the world around you don't really matter either, and in most cases it just cuts you out of content (which is a big nope), and this is impossible to actually handle because there are too many npcs so for it to be meaningful you should add interactions for most of them.
To sum it up, corruption in this game is meaningless because there is virtually no difference with the normal state.
Another big reason, imo, is that for most of the lifecycle of the project the corruption content has always been secondary compared to everything else, but the format of CoC2 doesn't help much either: your MC isn't really yours but the writer's: the dialogues and the personalities aren't something you decide, they depend on what's written. Frankly, there is no immersion for me because I'm reading a collection of short stories, it's clear that writers want the players to know those stories (and enjoy them) but not to experience them: you have no agency, you don't shape those very stories (which, imo, is the biggest gripe), so the few choices you are left with (corruption) are an empty, meaningless shell.
The game scope doesn't help either: anyone can come and write a new character and then fuck off from existence, which means there are a bunch of one-off characters that add little to the story but increase the workload on the main writers to maintain that content (which is mostly dropped after that never to be seen again) and adds frustration to the player (like me!) because if you particularly like that idea or character, you will never see of them again. And this is one of the biggest gripes: side characters aren't actively maintained because that depends on the writers, which is crazy to think about because why would you add them at all? Either you provide a growth path and stick to it or you don't bloat the story.
To sum it up: there is no point to corruption content in a game where there is the MC has no set personality, there is actually little reactivity and reason to take the corruption route (knowingly, it will 100% lead to dead content and all characters are already corrupted) and the player has no agency whatsoever
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'This place just brings out the worst in me' would have been a better place to start, and also the perfect place to stop. That entire conversation is just you making up things to be mad at somebody for.
Maybe the real corruption was the rampant half-finished feature creep we met along the way
Meta corruption. This rabbit hole goes deep, and sometimes that's actually a sex joke
Just my two cents about the Hornet Hive discussing going on from what i have understood from all the previous posts, not a writer, have some knowledge of coding but just pitching ideias that could have been here.
In regards that it has been an open option and nobody stepped up to pick it up as said before and how it finally was resolved is understandable.
Simply an possible alternative option i think that could have worked with working what already was there and how it was resolved was to simply instead of developing it further in terms of adding more corruption (wich it already was) it could have stayed simply as it was wich is the limbo state it currently was in for years (not the open to possible developement state, but corruption wise state).
That is the hive not being completly cleansed with the now 'opting to send Liaden to Hawkethorn instead of the old pushing her in with Azzy'.
Leaving the queen and other female hornets still as bimbo's and the hive mostly as it was in that pre-cleansed state and no further corruption. and by so having Azyrran believe there was no further option to cleanse it properly (by secretly dipping the core back in before Liaden goes to cleanse it with it ending up not allowing Liaden to completly cleanse the Hornet Hive, than getting it back out of the pool after Liaden's departure with it also almost cleansed for the Sweetest Climax quest).
This way the normal story line could carry on with the hive flagged as dealt with (even Azyrran could have a slight alteration in the Sweetest Climax quest [being able to trigger two different versions of the quest depending on if having chosen the options to cleanse or not.
Most of the coding was already in there so just and check and selection from wich of the two version to chose from] in wich the objective and text of the quest would be slightly altered to 'cleansed' = current one & 'not cleansed' = one that has Azyrran see the perspective of what it is to be a bimbo like her now bimbo mother and sisters by forging the amulet and she wearing it) and call that a day.
And maybe for the prospect of an Liaden bimbo (even if temporarly just for some sex scenes) for the lovers of that ideia there could be an future alternative wich is still possible.
In regards that it has been an open option and nobody stepped up to pick it up as said before and how it finally was resolved is understandable.
Simply an possible alternative option i think that could have worked with working what already was there and how it was resolved was to simply instead of developing it further in terms of adding more corruption (wich it already was) it could have stayed simply as it was wich is the limbo state it currently was in for years (not the open to possible developement state, but corruption wise state).
That is the hive not being completly cleansed with the now 'opting to send Liaden to Hawkethorn instead of the old pushing her in with Azzy'.
Leaving the queen and other female hornets still as bimbo's and the hive mostly as it was in that pre-cleansed state and no further corruption. and by so having Azyrran believe there was no further option to cleanse it properly (by secretly dipping the core back in before Liaden goes to cleanse it with it ending up not allowing Liaden to completly cleanse the Hornet Hive, than getting it back out of the pool after Liaden's departure with it also almost cleansed for the Sweetest Climax quest).
This way the normal story line could carry on with the hive flagged as dealt with (even Azyrran could have a slight alteration in the Sweetest Climax quest [being able to trigger two different versions of the quest depending on if having chosen the options to cleanse or not.
Most of the coding was already in there so just and check and selection from wich of the two version to chose from] in wich the objective and text of the quest would be slightly altered to 'cleansed' = current one & 'not cleansed' = one that has Azyrran see the perspective of what it is to be a bimbo like her now bimbo mother and sisters by forging the amulet and she wearing it) and call that a day.
And maybe for the prospect of an Liaden bimbo (even if temporarly just for some sex scenes) for the lovers of that ideia there could be an future alternative wich is still possible.
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The hip and butt ratings for Quintillus, Atugia, Azyrran, and Viviane are wrong. Here's what they should be:
Atugia:
Hip Rating = 5
Butt Rating = 5
Quintillus:
Hip Rating = 4
Butt Rating = 4
Azyrran:
Hip Rating = 6
Butt Rating = 6
Viviane:
Hip Rating = 7
Butt Rating = 8
Atugia:
Hip Rating = 5
Butt Rating = 5
Quintillus:
Hip Rating = 4
Butt Rating = 4
Azyrran:
Hip Rating = 6
Butt Rating = 6
Viviane:
Hip Rating = 7
Butt Rating = 8
You are justifying it with an ingame explanation when it’s mostly, as admitted by Savin, a development issue (a lack of thereof tbf). Corruption content isn’t planned at all for characters so writers, unless that’s their cup of tea, have no reason to write it either . This leads to dead end routes (like the hive one) or quests that stay dead for so damn long (ahmri anyone?); and, quite obviously, to dripfed corruption content
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Always feels a bit weird to have garth explain the differences between boreal elves and wyld elves to a wyld elf
As stated in the piece i wrote i'm not encouraging to write or to have written more corruption stuff for the past possible Hornet Hive alternative route but to have simply used what already was there to begin with maybe some slight alteration for the ending and to leave it there but nothing more.
I agree completely with what Savin wrote, i just imagined an different but still easy and viable way to end that loose end (maintaining a bit the already state of corruption of the Hornet Hive by minimizing it with an simple solution) without adding much more content for the wrapping up, like the way it was resolved with that unclosed end.
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