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Your Gripes With CoC2
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It's not so bad. I've got a build now that has moved on from worrying about getting turned to toast turn one to now only worrying about missing my first attack (in which case, toast). Optional OHKO included as a fallback for the KM fight, but that might fall into being too cheesy.
Level 10 will introduce a Thief perk called Implacable, which causes the first attack against you every combat to miss automatically.
Naturally, Kasyrra gets this perk.
I do wonder why Kas was made to be this powerful. So far the champion has defeated quite a few powerful foes, but not a single fight has been as obscenely difficult as Kas. It's like the game doesn't want us to beat her in a fight. I guess I don't really see why in-universe she should be this powerful.
Man, the Champion of the first game must has been an absolute monster to be able to defeat Lethice's entire inner court and herself. I know it's not the same type of game, however I just can't help make the comparison.
Man, the Champion of the first game must has been an absolute monster to be able to defeat Lethice's entire inner court and herself. I know it's not the same type of game, however I just can't help make the comparison.
I think that's the point, actually. No idea if this is intentional, maybe I'm just reading too much into things, but I figure the idea is that the Champion of Ingnam is supposed to be a lot stronger than the Champion of Frost, and this is the game's way of demonstrating that.
Mareth is, for all intents and purposes, a hellworld. Like, getting sent there is supposed to be an execution (for your soul), you're not meant to survive. In spite of this, the Champion of Ingnam gets tossed in with nothing but the clothes on their back, then proceeds to beat the shit out of an imp at level 1, start collecting demon skulls like they're trading cards, build a personal stronghold, and start recruiting allies from the wilderness.
They rip through every dungeon in Mareth alone, and then proceed to knock Lethice off her throne in a 1 on 1 duel. SUPER intense trial by fire. CoC2's champion goes through a lot, but they're living in a place with actual civilization, and most of the demons they fight are either newborn imps or freshly turned I believe. Their origin ranges from no combat experience ever to a little bit of mercenary work in Belhar. Kasyrra literally lived through the fall of Mareth. She fought in a whole ass end-of-the-world war. And after becoming a demon, she's had who knows how long to ferment.
Also, I try not to compare stats from two different video games like this, but Lethice in CoC1 is level 25 if the page I'm looking at is correct. Kass in CoC2 is only level 20. The Champion of Ingnam can level infinitely, the Champion of Frost caps out at level 10. It's really hard not to draw some parallels there, considering Kasyrra wasn't strong enough to fight Lethice instead chose to just bail when the Champion of Ingnam showed up.
But hey, that's just a theory.
Whether it's intentional or not that does seem to be where things are headed.
I would say however that the Champion of Frost can be potentially more experienced than the Champion of Ingnam at their respective starts. The former potentionally have fought in many conflicts (soldier BG) on top of the 1 year of adventuring. The latter on the other hand spent 1 year training once they were selected as Champion, but aside from that simply lived in Ingnam (though I could be misremembering).
But, just as you said, this is all just a theory.
I would say however that the Champion of Frost can be potentially more experienced than the Champion of Ingnam at their respective starts. The former potentionally have fought in many conflicts (soldier BG) on top of the 1 year of adventuring. The latter on the other hand spent 1 year training once they were selected as Champion, but aside from that simply lived in Ingnam (though I could be misremembering).
But, just as you said, this is all just a theory.
The gripes forum has turned into a lore forum. I'm here for it
Any forum I'm allowed into eventually becomes a lore forum, I'm afraid.
She's meant to be a dark reflection of a CoC1 player character -- a TF path chosen for its power (dragon), all of her stats maxed out by grinding, and having ALL of the perks that she unlocked for grinding 20 levels with those maxed stats.
That's the sort of monster The Demon World creates, and (the intention is) you should really not want more things like her coming over here. One of them's a hellish enough challenge.
were dragon tfs that strong in coc? I haven't played it, but I got the impression that Naga was the melee TF of choice?
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Dragon gave you Dragon's Breath, one of the strongest abilities in the game.
The actual TF meta was a kitsune dragon naga to get all of their special abilities, but that sounds hideous and I didn't want to write that.
Maybe for the final dungeon as a superboss.
I can visualise what a dragon naga would like like, but I'm genuinely drawing a blank on what this abomination would look like.
I kinda really want this now just to see what its art looks like.
That's pretty cool, actually. Sort of explains why she has all of 2's player class perks. I suppose that in a way, we're a recruitable follower for her like CoC1. She's bent on the corruption path, we're trying to change her mind.
Could call it Kasyrra's Experiment or The Ultimate Lifeform or something like that. Not even a character, just a feral thing like Tharsus's abomination from Knot Quest. Kasyrra doesn't even know why she made it, she woke up to it locked in a cell after a long night of drunken experiments and went "Oh well now I HAVE to see the champion fight this."The actual TF meta was a kitsune dragon naga to get all of their special abilities, but that sounds hideous and I didn't want to write that.
Maybe for the final dungeon as a superboss.
...do demons get drunk? I don't remember but I feel like they do.
So I'm trying to visualize a kitsune naga dragon and it's like dragonish upper body(give them big meaty claws) with fur randomly jutting out in places, a long ass naga body and half way the body splints into like 5 fucked up looking tails of patchwork scales and fur. Having them look like a barely put together alchemical monstrosity.
Then you hit phase 2 and they evolve into looking majestic as fuck and actually put together with a surprisingly cohesive design cause that shit's hype.
Then you hit phase 2 and they evolve into looking majestic as fuck and actually put together with a surprisingly cohesive design cause that shit's hype.
The naga legs gets rid of tails, so you could not be a naga kitsune. I tested this on an original flash copy I have from 2018, with a flash player just before typing this. The optimal setup was naga dragon and the Anemone hair. Naga for stopping enemy actions, dragon for doing damage and the Anemone hair for dealing lust damage to such enemies like the Minotuar King. Kitsune dragon could have worked I think. Unlesss boss man knows a glitch that made the naga legs not proc its bullshit.
Dragon was only really crazy imo because of the milk and egg option making it more than a once per day power.
Dragon was only really crazy imo because of the milk and egg option making it more than a once per day power.
So it would really look like a Naga legs with an anthro or human faced Dragon and Anemone hair, the hair would be colorful barbed dreads.
Also the Hair poisoned the enemy which lowered their speed and Strength.
Even getting to the TFs was funky because you needed to get to level 15 to even be able to get the trigger to find the dragon egg, and find it with its low chance to encounter it. Have the stats to get it. Then raise the egg with OviElixer and Lactids to get the eggs and milk. Getting Snake Oil was easy as it was from Nagas. To get the hair you had farm out Anemone's and get luck with the TFs, I could not get it to proc for me for some reason.