The gym on New Texas does indeed completely shatter the game balance
Your Gripes With CoC2
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Lets use another example, horns
So for horned things, you can basically mix and match a lot of them. Not all of them, but you can get flags for dragons or demons or whatever with different kinds of horns. And that thematically makes sense, because dragons or demons historically in mythology are amalgamation of animal parts, and/or anthropomorphized concepts/the environment around you. Ok sure you can be a dragon with bull horns fine. Or be a plant demon
But Leotherans are just... big cats. I should just be able to slap some ears and a tail on ( with normal human junk ) and still be a catfolk. Because they are just... big cats. Leotheran flags seem to be different than cat folks flags. Which already have the problem why can't I be a catfolk with normal human junk. I can be a kitsuine a race that has one of the most restrictive transformation situations with normal human junk.
I guess i get the idea, you don't want people to accidentally slip into something else just because they have the wrong horns or the wrong tail. Because if you wanna be a weird dragon or demon, this system works really well. But if you want to be , imo one of the most basic things in fantasy a, a cat boy. With normal human junk, one of the most simplest things, you just cant. Especially one with different kinds of cat parts
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Myself, I just… cheat like hell.
I ain’t exactly playing these games for the in depth battle strategy. Not to knock whatever that side of them is like(literally never bothered not cheating like hell), hours of grinding for Xp and cash just ain’t what I look for out of them. lol
Agreed on this. I want more points, but not to that extent. I just want a few more options so I could maybe boost another stat or two a little, like for my black mage maybe add a little to toughness or agility, then use buffs for the other. Or I could use the extra points to help with a spellblade build.
Didn't CoC1 also had ways to max out your stats or at least increase them a good bit?
Though I do like that there is the gym in TiTs and those options in CoC1 cause it can vary up how I can play the game. Do I want to do a 'normal' run? If so I can just skip or not excessively use them. Do I want to make my character really powerful? Then I have options in game to do that if I put in the grind.
Though I do like that there is the gym in TiTs and those options in CoC1 cause it can vary up how I can play the game. Do I want to do a 'normal' run? If so I can just skip or not excessively use them. Do I want to make my character really powerful? Then I have options in game to do that if I put in the grind.
To be honest, TiTS needs an accumulated point limit, but that's neither here nor there. Like the other guy said, Kiyoko is enough of a grind, don't need another, I just would like a little more stat customization. Either by giving us say 10 points at character creation to play with or an extra +2 stat choice on some level milestones.
Huh, I never really saw Kiyoko as a grind cuase it never really felt like there much point to grinding up kids with her.
But I do agree that giving us some more stat customization would be really nice cause the current system feels pretty darn strict.
Though personally I think it could be neat to sort of do a mix. Like, yeah you could get some stats up by working out X numbers of times, but have some sort of cap to it. Or possibly from quests or events.
The more kids you make the more tails she grows and the more thicc she gets (from a skeleton to a person with actual meat on their bones)
Along with unlocking a single sex scene when you get to 30 something kids and a small joke with Kero when he let's her out, right?
IIRC, you also can use Kiyoko as a summon after some kids too.... but lose that ability once she is out and you only need Kinu for that from my understanding.
In comparison with the Gym in TiTs and Int Tea in CoC1 your permanently increasing your stats
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I definitely feel you on this one; if I'm playing a girl with a penis (either starting with it or keeping it), I usually transform it in some way so that I get those references instead. (Well, also I think knotting someone as a foxgirl is cute. But I started it to avoid that term.)
Relatedly, I feel like there's probably a fun story concept in playing a girl who only has a penis in order to help out Kiyoko...
I'm sad there are no potions like Scholar's tea or vitality tincture in CoC2 like how it was in the first game. I don't enjoy combat enough in this game to warrant spending anything more than a couple of turns, it's just THAT boring for me. And I generally just like one-shotting things and move on with the story. I'm probably in the minority here though considering the posts I saw on the previous page in this thread.
Sorry if this is a reiteration of previous posts, but I'm not a fan of Garth's stat drinks (there I said it!).
I think a different system such as meditation or prayer could work well, but I wouldn't be inclined to keep the drink buffs as the player could double buff causing imbalance. Here's a brief example of how I would implement these:
Meditation - A camp based, once a day buff lasting for 12-24 hours that improves the weakest of your stats with the very weakest gaining a +2 and the second weakest gaining a +1. This could scale by level or simply how many times you've meditated, and could have upgrades locked behind the monkey guy in Garth's gym.
Prayer - A camp based buff like meditation (possibly replacing meditation when the player chooses a god/demon/person? to worship) that offers a stat buff in accordance with who you worship. A lot of flavour could be added to this, such as offering gold, sexual favour or even purity in return for the buffs.
My biggest gripe with the stat drinks is that I find it a little tedious to be running back and forth to the tavern, and despite the generous timer it still takes you out of the flow so to speak when you need to return to buff for a tough fight. I also think maxing a stat is perhaps a bit much, and a scaling system that can be used out in the wild is both less tedious and more balanced (in my humble opinion) while also keeping it thematic. This would also make camping more appealing, but I can see an argument for having these as a once a day power to be used anywhere (or perhaps recharge on sleep).
edit: another option would be to pick a deity near the start (with more unlocked through the course of the game) that gives a flat bonus that scales with level and purity/corruption, for example: choose 'placeholder warrior god' and recieve a +2 to toughness that scales based on level and purity. Choose 'placeholder demonic god' and recieve a +2 to presence that scales on level and corruption. Exceeding the purity/corruption limit could make you godless and remove the buff.
I think a different system such as meditation or prayer could work well, but I wouldn't be inclined to keep the drink buffs as the player could double buff causing imbalance. Here's a brief example of how I would implement these:
Meditation - A camp based, once a day buff lasting for 12-24 hours that improves the weakest of your stats with the very weakest gaining a +2 and the second weakest gaining a +1. This could scale by level or simply how many times you've meditated, and could have upgrades locked behind the monkey guy in Garth's gym.
Prayer - A camp based buff like meditation (possibly replacing meditation when the player chooses a god/demon/person? to worship) that offers a stat buff in accordance with who you worship. A lot of flavour could be added to this, such as offering gold, sexual favour or even purity in return for the buffs.
My biggest gripe with the stat drinks is that I find it a little tedious to be running back and forth to the tavern, and despite the generous timer it still takes you out of the flow so to speak when you need to return to buff for a tough fight. I also think maxing a stat is perhaps a bit much, and a scaling system that can be used out in the wild is both less tedious and more balanced (in my humble opinion) while also keeping it thematic. This would also make camping more appealing, but I can see an argument for having these as a once a day power to be used anywhere (or perhaps recharge on sleep).
edit: another option would be to pick a deity near the start (with more unlocked through the course of the game) that gives a flat bonus that scales with level and purity/corruption, for example: choose 'placeholder warrior god' and recieve a +2 to toughness that scales based on level and purity. Choose 'placeholder demonic god' and recieve a +2 to presence that scales on level and corruption. Exceeding the purity/corruption limit could make you godless and remove the buff.
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There are portable group buff consumables in the game, currently they don't cover all the stats but you have the Bento Box for Willpower from Kiyoko (after marrying her, with an cd of 3 day's), and you can buy Pupper Pale Ale wich gives Toughness at Anna at the Pupperidge Farm. Recently they added the Centauress at the Apple Orchide in the Harvest Valley wich gives an portable 1 target PC Agility buff from an Apple Cider item, but with an 3 day cd (they could make it into an group buff instead, would be better for the cd it has).
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Thanks for the heads up, I've actually not used any of those despite being far enough into the game. Consumable buffs make sense, although I wish they weren't locked behind things like marraige (in Kiyoko's case) as I feel there's a potential to lock players out of it.
I still personally like the idea of a prayer power or chosen deity buff as the religious references and themes in this game would blend well in my mind, but beggars can't be choosers. Thanks again for letting me know!
No. Most chastity cages I've seen don't remotely look like that.
It's not meant to look like a typical cage because it's magically enchanted to never come off
Since we are talking about visual stuff.
It seems Moria has changed their art style some since frist drawing Drifta to adding more pieces for her expansion pack, mainly in how they do faces and fur texture.
The difference is sort of a small thing, but really sticks out to me.
On a more personal preference now though, I'd liked the older style better
It seems Moria has changed their art style some since frist drawing Drifta to adding more pieces for her expansion pack, mainly in how they do faces and fur texture.
The difference is sort of a small thing, but really sticks out to me.
On a more personal preference now though, I'd liked the older style better
A few more of my thoughts (Last time I promise. This comes from a place of love, also in one fat illegible paragraph to avoid spamming and taking up space):
(I've also only played dark difficulty, and that's likely a factor in some of these)
* The warrior perk 'Iron Will' means warrior players have a pressure to build toughness or have a mostly redundant perk. I feel changing this perk to scale on strength guarantees that all warrior builds (even ones that opt for presence instead of toughness) will benefit.
* Charmer to me is a weird class (sorry!), and I feel it would be more thematic as a Bard (to fit with the other more traditional class titles). I understand the choice but I personally was wanting to play more as a combat oriented D&D-esque bard/skald, especially after having seen the lightning/weapon buffing skills available. Unfortunately I feel they are a little eclipsed by the tease archetype. I'd almost want a set of skills based off of leadership rather than sexiness to truly draw a line between the archetypes, but I can sort of see sexiness being an analogue for charisma.
* The emphasis on choosing 3 stats to fully max rather than having a bit more of a spread is a little restrictive in my mind. I'd personally prefer to have a more granular stat allocation (given that there's a +1 to all stats per level up the stat points could be pulled from there potentially?).
* Threat is an awesome mechanic, but the fact that your player character getting killed equals a loss means that it's not necessarily ideal to be high threat or even tank in tough fights. Considering you can have 2 companions die off while you're still doing damage, keeping a low threat seems to technically be optimum. I think it would be interesting to allow the fight to continue if you get knocked out but still have companions, as it's not farfetched to assume they would patch you up upon victory. This would also mean Cait's revive would have to be actively used for instance, not triggering automatically on your defeat.
* Stances are very varied in power, but a few stand out as being almost too good to not use. The fact that they apply immediately without the use of an action means that not only are you getting a free turn in some respects, but you're also getting that free turn every turn of the battle that the stance remains active. I'm partly parroting another post I read on here, but I feel they should be a seperate thing entirely.
Apologies for the whining, it's purely down to liking the game and having spent a fair bit of time messing with it.
(I've also only played dark difficulty, and that's likely a factor in some of these)
* The warrior perk 'Iron Will' means warrior players have a pressure to build toughness or have a mostly redundant perk. I feel changing this perk to scale on strength guarantees that all warrior builds (even ones that opt for presence instead of toughness) will benefit.
* Charmer to me is a weird class (sorry!), and I feel it would be more thematic as a Bard (to fit with the other more traditional class titles). I understand the choice but I personally was wanting to play more as a combat oriented D&D-esque bard/skald, especially after having seen the lightning/weapon buffing skills available. Unfortunately I feel they are a little eclipsed by the tease archetype. I'd almost want a set of skills based off of leadership rather than sexiness to truly draw a line between the archetypes, but I can sort of see sexiness being an analogue for charisma.
* The emphasis on choosing 3 stats to fully max rather than having a bit more of a spread is a little restrictive in my mind. I'd personally prefer to have a more granular stat allocation (given that there's a +1 to all stats per level up the stat points could be pulled from there potentially?).
* Threat is an awesome mechanic, but the fact that your player character getting killed equals a loss means that it's not necessarily ideal to be high threat or even tank in tough fights. Considering you can have 2 companions die off while you're still doing damage, keeping a low threat seems to technically be optimum. I think it would be interesting to allow the fight to continue if you get knocked out but still have companions, as it's not farfetched to assume they would patch you up upon victory. This would also mean Cait's revive would have to be actively used for instance, not triggering automatically on your defeat.
* Stances are very varied in power, but a few stand out as being almost too good to not use. The fact that they apply immediately without the use of an action means that not only are you getting a free turn in some respects, but you're also getting that free turn every turn of the battle that the stance remains active. I'm partly parroting another post I read on here, but I feel they should be a seperate thing entirely.
Apologies for the whining, it's purely down to liking the game and having spent a fair bit of time messing with it.
Hey, you're all good, this thread about gripes with the game after all. I won’t say you're whining, you have good points and valid observations to me.
Becuase I do agree with you that the stat point system is pretty strict, which along with how some perks works (like you pointed out), it does feel like the system shoehorn you into certain playstyles.
As for the Charmer's theme, I'd say in part why it feels so weird could be from the combat rework. Becuase it used to be that tease/lust damage affected focus instead of health, but that got changed for balancing reasons (iirc). Though bringing that up makes me curious why CoC2 decided to for go the lust system CoC1 and TiTs had.