[WIP] Trap/Tomboy TF Items, Shop, and Sexable Trap Shopkeeper

[JDeko]

I really love heart pupils, especially since I first saw them on my favorite character ever.

 

[Nik_van_Rijn]

@Karretch: I figured it could be handled with a simple 'shaped' eye type, with the shape descriptors applied to that type.


Soak: my phone doesn't have a control button. :T

I propose to just set a new racial Global Type: Fucking_Snowflake. Because we all know that eye stuff won't be the end of it.


As an aside, you can delete quotes on mobile version by selecting its inner frame.

 

[Nik_van_Rijn]

A big draw for traps is the actual being mistaken for a girl/boy thing but they don't necessarily think of themselves as one. With the way it's calculated in TiTS the small androgynous middle ground is where the player will see content like that (i.e. people showing uncertainty over the PC's gender without text that has the PC thinking of themselves that way). But if someone's not particularly interested in that aspect it's also simpler to get to a particular appearance mark by making adjustments from the middle, so to speak, than to swing for the fences and then hope to get lucky in dialing it back. That's what trap oil did, and why it was useful whether it was your final destination or not, in CoC and that seems to be what he's basing this off of; an item like that that would both fill a currently-gaping niche on its own (hit trap without losing or gaining any parts you don't want) and as part of a package to get you the exact feminine or masculine features you're looking for.

Actually, one needs to have high femininity and a set of male genitalia to be recognized as a trap by the game and to trigger a handful of scenes specifically set around the idea of 'trapping' people. Additionally, I've always thought that the desirable outcome of any crosdresser's efforts is to achieve maximum believability in their efforts to immitate the opposite gender, so androgyny is not necessarily something they are after. And with TiTS-verse lore providing the tools to go all the way without messing up anything else about their biology, it seems logical that most (or at least a sizable portion of) people interested will do so.


Then there is the whole thing with trapping people, which will also work better with a complete illusion.


I certainly think that a non-racial item specifically aimed at achieving androgyny would be a nice addition, so you are welcome to writing it.

 

[Karretch]

I agree that traps go heavy one way or the other, playing on their own natural ambiguity towards their natural sex to build towards the other. And yes, girls dressed as boys is a thing just as much as the opposite.


Tomboys, though, are probably a spectrum thing. Before finding these games I didn't really think about it as physical characteristic but more stylings and life-style, and never trying to confuse people about their gender/sex, just people making assumptions/insults. Still hold to that, personally.

 

[Emerald]

I agree that traps go heavy one way or the other, playing on their own natural ambiguity towards their natural sex. And yes, girls dressed as boys is a thing just as much as the opposite.


Tomboys, though, are probably a spectrum thing. Before finding these games I didn't really think about it as physical characteristic but more stylings and life-style, and never trying to confuse people about their gender/sex, just people making assumptions/insults. Still hold to that, personally.

Here here on that last bit, and I think really heavily on that as well.


I always imagined most traps just like looking as girly/boyish as they are simply just because they LIKE looking like that and are even confident in their appearance to the point of going out into public like that (How I see it anyways, but that, to me, is much more attractive to me as a whole instead of the trickery), not to intentionally trick people into thinking they're the opposite gender. THAT I always saw as something on the person, a.k.a The one who was unintentionally tricked, themselves. If someone mistakes a femboy as a female and then get shocked seeing/hearing otherwise, then LOLWELP. Not like they were making it too obvious in the first place but still tho.


Then again this game treats traps as a fetish a whoooole lot differently than I do. Not exactly a fan of how it's done in a few rare cases, and those rare cases have even dropped my ladyboner aaalllll the way down despite my love for traps. *COUGHDelCOUGH* BUT, I'll keep my mouth shut about that. >.>'

 

[JDeko]

Then again this game treats traps as a fetish a whoooole lot differently than I do. Not exactly a fan of how it's done in a few rare cases, and those rare cases have even dropped my ladyboner aaalllll the way down despite my love for traps. *COUGHDelCOUGH* BUT, I'll keep my mouth shut about that. >.>'

I still really wish there was a way to train Del to service women for Straight!Trap!Steeles that want to teach Del about the joys of "lesbianism". If that were an option I think I'd have a diamond obelisk about to cut my desk in half thinking of myself in Del's place.

 

[PyrateHyena]

I wish all women could just naturally do this.

I wish all men could naturally do this... tastes are so weird.

@shadefalcon you're thinking of an equilateral cross and not a Christian-style cross, right? Cause even aside from the implications Christian-cross pupils would just be... weird. I'm thinking either equilateral cross or iron cross.

Both sound pretty great, but snowflakey as hell... Not that I am complaining.

I propose to just set a new racial Global Type: Fucking_Snowflake. Because we all know that eye stuff won't be the end of it.

This HAS to be a thing at least in silly mode.

I still really wish there was a way to train Del to service women for Straight!Trap!Steeles that want to teach Del about the joys of "lesbianism". If that were an option I think I'd have a diamond obelisk about to cut my desk in half thinking of myself in Del's place.

This thread is getting more and more awesome. If I had any money I would commish someone... Well maybe I get a new job soon.

 

[razorrozar]

Lots of good suggestions, but a lot of them are outside the scope of what I want this project to be. Del's not my character.


I'm thinking of two more things I'd like to add. One: cum flavors. Vanilla, strawberry, cherry, and lemon. This is something I feel like the game hasn't done enough with yet, plus the idea of a trap with heart-shaped pupils and cherry cum... hnnnng. Two: maybe replacing a couple of the sex scenes with ones that have more of a D/s flavor, with Jukina as the dom and the PC as the sub. Not to the extent of Sera or Xanthe, a full on "mistress" or just being a total dick; more mild, more of a loving element, but with the PC definitely being the lesser party. I feel like it fits well with her personality to be dommy; she likes to be in control during sex. Also I don't think there's a dominant trap in the game yet, which is a goddamn travesty.


Also: @Emerald brought to my attention that I use 'she' and 'her' throughout the doc, but give no indication that she's okay with female pronouns. I'd like to address this, as well as give the player the option to use male pronouns if they'd prefer (like with Rubi in CoC), but I'm not sure how to address it without it seeming stilted or shoehorned in. I would appreciate any advice you'd like to give on this.


Thanks to all of you for your input and interest!


One final thing: @balitz Method, I am taking your suggestions on board. I just want the doc to get to a more finished state before I try to incorporate them. I'll hold off on the Codex entry for Trouble Gum until I decide exactly how I want to handle it.

 

[balitz Method]

Actually, one needs to have high femininity and a set of male genitalia to be recognized as a trap by the game and to trigger a handful of scenes specifically set around the idea of 'trapping' people. Additionally, I've always thought that the desirable outcome of any crosdresser's efforts is to achieve maximum believability in their efforts to immitate the opposite gender, so androgyny is not necessarily something they are after. And with TiTS-verse lore providing the tools to go all the way without messing up anything else about their biology, it seems logical that most (or at least a sizable portion of) people interested will do so.


Then there is the whole thing with trapping people, which will also work better with a complete illusion.


I certainly think that a non-racial item specifically aimed at achieving androgyny would be a nice addition, so you are welcome to writing it.

I'm more referencing how TiTS is set to calculate it specifically. At high enough masculinity or femininity the game simply treats the player like a man or woman regardless of what they've got going on. Some of the specifically-written trap content, like one of Geoff's, starts flagging from what the game considers androgynous (though technically speaking anyone can see that one now due to an oversight - originally his only m/m scene was limited to traps and hermaphrodites and later opened up to anyone with a D but no one's written a masculine variant for it yet). Same story with that one Del scene. If you're considered androgynous, though, the game will fairly often have trap-flavored dialogue when characters make reference to the PC. From the technical standpoint of the game that's where a player interested in being a trap will get the most flavor text and the ability, if they prefer, to still be thought of as their "true" sex.


This is opposed to something like Fall of Eden where NPCs will think the PC is a girl/boy if they haven't seen them naked but will respond differently if they have for full trap ~verisimilitude~. A lot of TiTS writers do just seem to be defaulting to thinking of them as girls, though, even in cases like Aliss where it's a perfectly normal appearance for the species, so maybe the game's just veered off into its own ideas. I'm just thinking along the lines of what a trap player might want.

I agree that traps go heavy one way or the other, playing on their own natural ambiguity towards their natural sex to build towards the other. And yes, girls dressed as boys is a thing just as much as the opposite.


Tomboys, though, are probably a spectrum thing. Before finding these games I didn't really think about it as physical characteristic but more stylings and life-style, and never trying to confuse people about their gender/sex, just people making assumptions/insults. Still hold to that, personally.

In stuff that isn't porn - yeah, it's rare for boys or girls to be actively trying to confuse anyone unless they're doing it as a disguise. In those cases it's more common that they're naturally androgynous and then they might end up crossdressing for fanservice or being mistaken for a boy/girl as part of a gag or convoluted scheme.


but in a porn game that's def. going to be part of the experience since that's the main erotic element.

 

[Xeivous]

I don't even think that someone intentionally trying to trick others about their own sex is even something that would upset too many people in the TITSverse. It's like "Ha you thought I was a cute girl, but in reality I was a bo- wait where do you think you're going to put that thin-" and then much  later the idiot is drooling in a puddle lake sea of Steele (and a little bit of their own) seed.

 

[OnyxDrakkenblade]

I wish my pupils turned into hearts whenever I had an orgasm that put me into a vegetative state.

If you have enough orgasms that put you into a vegetative state, that you can be picky about how they happen. SHARE, NOW!

Why didn't I think of cross? Why didn't I think of cross. I'll add that tomorrow.

Don't forget the bullseye and the happy-face. Must give The Last Action Hero it just dues.

 

[razorrozar]

Minor update: split the TF items off into a separate doc, which is now linked in the OP. Also got the cum flavor items in. I intend to do the cum flavor TF scenes, their sub-menu, and hopefully finish up another sex scene later on tonight.


I might not get as much work done this weekend as I had planned but I should still be able to roll out something by Monday.


E: I also addressed several of the comment that people made, mostly @Nik_van_Rijn's.

 

[Emerald]

Also: @Emerald brought to my attention that I use 'she' and 'her' throughout the doc, but give no indication that she's okay with female pronouns. I'd like to address this, as well as give the player the option to use male pronouns if they'd prefer (like with Rubi in CoC), but I'm not sure how to address it without it seeming stilted or shoehorned in. I would appreciate any advice you'd like to give on this.

Using Rubi from CoC as another example, I always figured you just do like the PC did with him, and ask Jukina (I might resort to calling him 'Juki' just for simplicity sake, and it's cute to me. Haha) about his gender identity and he'll tell you he doesn't mind being referred as female if he really doesn't, but mentions he doesn't mind you calling him a boy yourself. I'd suggest letting the player choice pop up from there allowing you to choose based on your preferences it'll change to that gender pref. as soon as it does, but I'm not entirely sure if the code of the game or devs would let it do that for NPC pronouns as opposed to PC ones, where for the latter it's as easy as a click and it's done. Would it let it for NPCs? Frick I don't even know man. I'm so very very bad at this as I'm no coder/dev, I just wanted to help out. >.<;


Whether or not it happens, I do gotta say thanks for taking my concern about the whole pronouns thing into account when I spoke of them through the PMs though, I just couldn't help but bring it up before anything else, even if I did get rather... ranty in the PM itself.. *cough*


Also..

Two: maybe replacing a couple of the sex scenes with ones that have more of a D/s flavor, with Jukina as the dom and the PC as the sub. Not to the extent of Sera or Xanthe, a full on "mistress" or just being a total dick; more mild, more of a loving element, but with the PC definitely being the lesser party. I feel like it fits well with her personality to be dommy; she likes to be in control during sex. Also I don't think there's a dominant trap in the game yet, which is a goddamn travesty.

"Dommy Jukina"


Dominant Trappy boys you say? GENTLE dommy traps with that??..
NOOOO STOP YOU ARE HITTING ALL OF MY BUTTONS DANGGIT. *.*

 

[razorrozar]

@Jacques00


...Something's gone seriously wrong and I can't delete that mention. No idea what's up. But Jacques, while you're here, can you let me know if anything I'm trying to do is totally outside the scope of the coding? Thanks in advance.


Anyway, @Emerald, I figure if it can be done in CoC it can probably be done in TiTS as well. Maybe Jacques can give us input on that as well.


Also... the sex scene I'll be working on tonight will be the anal catch scene, and I intend to include some very dommy stuff in it. Two words: panty gag.

 

[Thayr]

...Now you're just making me want to hug this character to death. 

Thank you, razorrozar

 

[OnyxDrakkenblade]

@razorrozar you can ABSOLUTELY code in differentiation of pronouns based on character preference . . . you just need to put in a {pcChoiceHim: "appropriate male pronoun(i.e. him, his, he)"/"appropriate female pronoun(i.e. her, hers, she)} in place of every currently female pronoun. Also you might want to put the generic tag in the beginning of your doc and explain the intended meaning of it as a choice. This false parsing is explained in some of the documentation as sort of a format you can refer to. If any of the devs want to correct this. Please do, but this is my clear understanding from having read almost all of the content production information.


P.S.: My incomplete TF may assist in understanding some of the points I have made here Perty/Booty.


P.S.S.: The following links may be of some help with all of this as well if you don't already have them being almost the entirety of the information by which one should format one's submissions as far as I've been informed. The first of these has several links which are also GOLDMINE'S of knowledge for this process. If you already knew all this . . . GREAT! I'd rather be certain you have it than presume you did and you be lost in a sea that took me a few false starts to get through.




Zeikfried's (mostly) general guide to submissions.

 

[Lashcharge]

@razorrozar you can ABSOLUTELY code in differentiation of pronouns based on character preference . . . you just need to put in a {pcChoiceHim: "appropriate male pronoun(i.e. him, his, he)"/"appropriate female pronoun(i.e. her, hers, she)} in place of every currently female pronoun. Also you might want to put the generic tag in the beginning of your doc and explain the intended meaning of it as a choice. This false parsing is explained in some of the documentation as sort of a format you can refer to. If any of the devs want to correct this. Please do, but this is my clear understanding from having read almost all of the content production information.

It's definitely possible to create a parser for this since there is [bess.heShe] and [lane.himHer]. In this case it would be, for example [jukina.heShe], it would need an event to define it and the pc should be punished with hard points for being a misgendering asshole.

 

[Emerald]

It's definitely possible to create a parser for this since there is [bess.heShe] and [lane.himHer]. In this case it would be, for example [jukina.heShe], it would need an event to define it and the pc should be punished with hard points for being a misgendering asshole.

Hard points just for that? o.o;
*cough* Despite me being the one that suggested the whole pronoun idea in the first place, I still feel giving hard points for that is a little... much, even as jerkish as it is if there isn't some sort of explanation.

 

[JDeko]

Hard Points for misgendering him just sounds like needless tumblrism. If he cares one way or the other why even give the option to use the wrong pronouns? 

 

[Lashcharge]

Hard points just for that? o.o;
*cough* Despite me being the one that suggested the whole pronoun idea in the first place, I still feel giving hard points for that is a little... much, even as jerkish as it is if there isn't some sort of explanation. But Jukina however mentions that he doesn't mind at all to you calling him either a girl or guy, as seen by the recent edits seen in the doc. He says he even uses female pronouns for himself, so I doubt it'd be jerky thing to do, since it seems he isn't bothered by what you call him in the first place.

I only skimmed through the comment that gave me the impression that he identified as a male. I've reread it and it didn't say anything like that, so that suggestion can be ignored.

 

[razorrozar]

WHY do I keep getting undeletable @Jacques00 mentions in my posts here? Sorry, Jacques.


ANYWAY this is still a thing that's happening but I've been dealing with some IRL stuff the past couple days. I should have time to write tomorrow.


Reronouns, no hard points. Jukina identifies as male but finds it flattering to be referred to with female pronouns so she'll respond to either without complaint. I'll do a find-replace with [jukina.heShe] when I get back to writing.

 

[Tainted-Alice]

I still really wish there was a way to train Del to service women for Straight!Trap!Steeles that want to teach Del about the joys of "lesbianism". If that were an option I think I'd have a diamond obelisk about to cut my desk in half thinking of myself in Del's place.

I agree 100% such a shame x(

 

[Krynh]

WHY do I keep getting undeletable jacques00 mentions in my posts here? Sorry, Jacques.


ANYWAY this is still a thing that's happening but I've been dealing with some IRL stuff the past couple days. I should have time to write tomorrow.


Reronouns, no hard points. Jukina identifies as male but finds it flattering to be referred to with female pronouns so she'll respond to either without complaint. I'll do a find-replace with [jukina.heShe] when I get back to writing.

I think it's down to how the forum saves posts. It's supposed to clear them when you post but sometimes it doesnt. Try clearing the cache on your phones browser for the forum 

 

[OnyxDrakkenblade]

It's definitely possible to create a parser for this since there is [bess.heShe] and [lane.himHer]. In this case it would be, for example [jukina.heShe], it would need an event to define it and the pc should be punished with hard points for being a misgendering asshole.

Yes, this! Minus the hard points thing. Already too many hard points and not enough kind.

WHY do I keep getting undeletable jacques00 mentions in my posts here? Sorry, Jacques.


ANYWAY this is still a thing that's happening but I've been dealing with some IRL stuff the past couple days. I should have time to write tomorrow.


Reronouns, no hard points. Jukina identifies as male but finds it flattering to be referred to with female pronouns so she'll respond to either without complaint. I'll do a find-replace with [jukina.heShe] when I get back to writing.

I think it's down to how the forum saves posts. It's supposed to clear them when you post but sometimes it doesnt. Try clearing the cache on your phones browser for the forum 

If that doesn't do it also consider cold restart of phone just to jostle the kernel back into core functioning.

 

[Krynh]

Yes, this! Minus the hard points thing. Already too many hard points and not enough kind.


If that doesn't do it also consider cold restart of phone just to jostle the kernel back into core functioning.

I'm not sure that it has anything to do with the kernel. 

 

[HeavyMetalLoser]

Just like to make one suggestion; could you perhaps describe the striptease in a bit more detail? As it is it kinda skips to the end where he removes the thong, and I'd rather see the removal of each article of clothing described in sexy detail. What makes a striptease arousing isn't the destination, but the journey, after all.

 

[BlackPick7]

Is this project dead?

 

[Karretch]

It's been a week and a half...

 

[Emerald]

Razor's actually been pretty active until September came around.


Hope he's doing alright.

 

[Glassboy]

I've been talking to Razor and he asked me to tell ye he hasn't been able to work on the project because his living conditions have changed. He says he'll get back to work on her once he gets things straightened out for himself.