Wings and flying Enemies

[SorenMageofMareth]

So I was cruising back at M'henga fighting bee boys when I finally noticed something that was really weird.

I couldn't melee attack them. Now thats normally supposed to happen cause they have wings but I was also a full male zil morph and even got scenes where I flew up and down cliffs but still could not stab him in his pretty face.

That was weird. I remember when wings used to get past that flying issue. Did that change sometime? Is it a weight thing?

 

[Xeivous]

wings never let you stab fliers.

 

[ScarletteKnight]

The Mercenary perk "Lunge" let's you stab them, wings have no effect outside of making travel a bit easier, like jetpacks without the Evasion bonus.

Though, we could allow flight to counter flying, with the jetpack as well. It would really only be useful for Smugglers and Techs, but still.

 

[Nonesuch]

tfw a wingy boi ruins your stebbin toim

 

[Natetheman223]

Wings definitely have potential. They're just hardly ever used.

 

[coldmonkey]

I'm pretty sure Fen has no intention of letting transformations influence combat the way stuff like kitsune perks did in CoC.

 

[Evil]

tfw a wingy boi ruins your stebbin toim

Wingy bois ruin your fun toims? Shooty shoot those wingy bois.

 

[ScarletteKnight]

Wingy bois ruin your fun toims? Shooty shoot those wingy bois.

I'm a melee Tech with one of the worst ranged weapons out there, and shooting still works.

 

[Xeivous]

Or you could just whip your dick out.

 

[coldmonkey]

Or you could just whip your dick out.

One day there will be a game that lets me use a tentacle dick to rope flying enemies.

 

[Shiranui]

I'm pretty sure Fen has no intention of letting transformations influence combat the way stuff like kitsune perks did in CoC.

Having a dick with the Aphrodisiac Laced flag (atm restricted to Suula and Nyrea dicks only) lets you use Dick slap a rather powerful tease attack with infinite uses. Having Vanae milk or being "notably milk endowed" lets you use Milk Squirt another rather powerful tease attack though it limited by having milk to squirt but that becomes a non issue with the Mega Milk perk. Both of which seem to use the drug damage type instead of the normal damage type, meaning some enemies that are resistant to normal tease can get destroyed by these e.g. Stormlancer. Milk also lets you regenerate energy by drinking it as long as you stay within two values. Finally getting the Treatment can also just flat out make you better at combat from adding Pheromones which boost tease damage to making grapples easier to escape from. Also while not combat related different skin types (goo, fur, skin, scales etc) will make you take more or less damage from the cold on Uverto and if you use the Frostfire TF enough become immune to the ambient cold.

Basically while Fen says transformations shouldn't influence combat some do mostly in the tease damage department but still if you want to optimise all it has done is leave less options. Side note I always found the kitsune stuff in CoC worthless since everything they could do was something you could get regardless, Anemone hair and Naga body was the best and most game breaking.

 

[null_blank]

lol "powerful" max tease damage is all capped at 30, dick slap is just flavor text.

 

[Shiranui]

lol "powerful" max tease damage is all capped at 30, dick slap is just flavor text.

True, but because it isn't effect by sexiness or skill level it means that you still have a viable lust attack even while having negative tease same for Milk Squirt.

 

[null_blank]

True, but because it isn't effect by sexiness or skill level it means that you still have a viable lust attack even while having negative tease same for Milk Squirt.

Milk Squirt is even worse if you don't have the MegaMilk perk because you can actually run out milk to use. At least dick slap has unlimited uses.

 

[Shiranui]

Milk Squirt is even worse if you don't have the MegaMilk perk because you can actually run out milk to use. At least dick slap has unlimited uses.

Yer, but Dick Slap is only possible with 2 out of 20 or so options and the earliest you can get it is on Myrellion. While Milk Squirt can be got and optimized before you get the first probe. So ups and downs that said honestly if you are playing a milky character you will want to get Mega Milk regardless.

 

[Fireball]

What about maybe giving wing tfs the evasion boost?
Or a special move that applies flying for a few turns?
Those arent necessarily game breaking (i hope not anyway) and gives em more functionality then just here have some convenience nullified by taxis and shortcuts already provided

 

[ScarletteKnight]

What about maybe giving wing tfs the evasion boost?
Or a special move that applies flying for a few turns?
Those arent necessarily game breaking (i hope not anyway) and gives em more functionality then just here have some convenience nullified by taxis and shortcuts already provided

That's specifically against the "TFs have no effect on combat" rule. You'd have everyone running around with wings and jetpacks for huge Evasion boosts.

 

[Shiranui]

That's specifically against the "TFs have no effect on combat" rule. You'd have everyone running around with wings and jetpacks for huge Evasion boosts.

First I think he means you will only get one or the other not both. Second there are already a TF's that give combat benefits see Treatment, Suula or Nyrea dicks, Vanae milk/being very milky, Cerespirin, anything that gives you pheromones and likely a few more I am missing. This is without counting the ones that give non-combat benefits like Frostfire's Icey Veins that let you ignore heat-belts or the usable.

 

[ScarletteKnight]

First I think he means you will only get one or the other not both. Second there are already a TF's that give combat benefits see Treatment, Suula or Nyrea dicks, Vanae milk/being very milky, Cerespirin, anything that gives you pheromones and likely a few more I am missing. This is without counting the ones that give non-combat benefits like Frostfire's Icey Veins that let you ignore heat-belts or the usable.

The non-combat perks from TFs don't really matter in my opinion, since the alternatives are way better; why get Icy Veins if you have Thermal Packs, especially if you don't wanna be furry?

The combat perks from TFs are all focused on the weaker, more specialized Lust combat, a style where the changes to your body reasonably increase you ability. Besides, most people seem to ignore Lust combat, so only a few people will go after those TFs anyway.

You give someone an Evasion bonus that applies to every build and leaves your Accessory slot open, most people are gonna take it.

I did suggest maybe letting wings and the jetpack counter flying enemies, but that is relatively minor in my opinion. Plus, they might not consider it because it makes the jetpack more favorable than other Accessories, although Smugglers should already be using it, Mercs wouldn't need it, so far as a melee Tech I haven't had a problem with flyers.

 

[Shiranui]

The non-combat perks from TFs don't really matter in my opinion, since the alternatives are way better; why get Icy Veins if you have Thermal Packs, especially if you don't wanna be furry?

The combat perks from TFs are all focused on the weaker, more specialized Lust combat, a style where the changes to your body reasonably increase you ability. Besides, most people seem to ignore Lust combat, so only a few people will go after those TFs anyway.

You give someone an Evasion bonus that applies to every build and leaves your Accessory slot open, most people are gonna take it.

I did suggest maybe letting wings and the jetpack counter flying enemies, but that is relatively minor in my opinion. Plus, they might not consider it because it makes the jetpack more favorable than other Accessories, although Smugglers should already be using it, Mercs wouldn't need it, so far as a melee Tech I haven't had a problem with flyers.

Yer I will admit if it was on par with the Jetpack it would be OP maybe if it was 1 or very maybe 2 points just to represent that you do have additional mobility might be nice, but personally I prefer the flying enemies counter bit. Also seriously lust builds aren't used much I must be in the minority since I play lust builds only with damage for when I need it?

That said there are a few non lust based tf's advantages, cum-cow treatment gives a perk that permanently makes it easier to escape grapples, Resin from Cerespin gives you additional resistance to electric, kinetic and corrosive while burning damage is increased that said it also lowers reflexes by 30%. Finally while arguable the perks that let you restore energy by drinking your own milk, cum or getting cummed in more so for the ass as it can also heal you, could be seen as a combat advantage especially for tech which uses a lot of energy. Basically what I am trying to say is that due to most things not having perks the things that do are much more appealing. And the same could be said for NPC's that can give perks whether permanent or not, as it pushes players to interact with them to get the benefit regardless of if they like them e.g. Rage & Calm Aim from ????, Limber from Paige, and those perks you get for doing sessions with those two NPCs one is on Tavros and the other is on Myrellion (I don't know their names they were just buff vendors for hard battles).

Also I can't think of a single reason you shouldn't be using the Jetpack on every class that isn't a merc, drones aren't strong enough, and the alternatives are defense raising items that don't scale as well, resistance items that only work on merc due to being a HP tank and Sexy items that give you debuffs at the same time.

 

[Fireball]

The non-combat perks from TFs don't really matter in my opinion, since the alternatives are way better; why get Icy Veins if you have Thermal Packs, especially if you don't wanna be furry?

The combat perks from TFs are all focused on the weaker, more specialized Lust combat, a style where the changes to your body reasonably increase you ability. Besides, most people seem to ignore Lust combat, so only a few people will go after those TFs anyway.

You give someone an Evasion bonus that applies to every build and leaves your Accessory slot open, most people are gonna take it.

I did suggest maybe letting wings and the jetpack counter flying enemies, but that is relatively minor in my opinion. Plus, they might not consider it because it makes the jetpack more favorable than other Accessories, although Smugglers should already be using it, Mercs wouldn't need it, so far as a melee Tech I haven't had a problem with flyers.

Im not saying both I'm thinking along the lines of whats already in game.
Like for example the flying perk would allow you to hit flying enemies (the few that exist) and maybe give you melee evasion, not many people use melee class attacks and its more for the flavor but its there
And yeah tfs aplenty give combat bonuses.
One tf gives skin the "thick" flag which seems to up tankiness by a bit.
And im also not saying guranteed melee evasion
Maybe like 10% or a take cover style bit albiet itd be a bit broken on mercs but thats quite a bit of energy to be burning through aswell as mercs are already a bit broken so.....
Im just saying many tfs have use in combat
If some dudes practically a zil let him have that zil flight perk in combat
Someone can still pew pew him
Also maybe give ol lancer a psuedo lunge if you do.
Makes his cheese go poof especially since he's a source of mass EXP or hell maybe nogt since yaknow
Weve been maxed since forever

 

[Fireball]

Yer I will admit if it was on par with the Jetpack it would be OP maybe if it was 1 or very maybe 2 points just to represent that you do have additional mobility might be nice, but personally I prefer the flying enemies counter bit. Also seriously lust builds aren't used much I must be in the minority since I play lust builds only with damage for when I need it?

That said there are a few non lust based tf's advantages, cum-cow treatment gives a perk that permanently makes it easier to escape grapples, Resin from Cerespin gives you additional resistance to electric, kinetic and corrosive while burning damage is increased that said it also lowers reflexes by 30%. Finally while arguable the perks that let you restore energy by drinking your own milk, cum or getting cummed in more so for the ass as it can also heal you, could be seen as a combat advantage especially for tech which uses a lot of energy. Basically what I am trying to say is that due to most things not having perks the things that do are much more appealing. And the same could be said for NPC's that can give perks whether permanent or not, as it pushes players to interact with them to get the benefit regardless of if they like them e.g. Rage & Calm Aim from ????, Limber from Paige, and those perks you get for doing sessions with those two NPCs one is on Tavros and the other is on Myrellion (I don't know their names they were just buff vendors for hard battles).

Also I can't think of a single reason you shouldn't be using the Jetpack on every class that isn't a merc, drones aren't strong enough, and the alternatives are defense raising items that don't scale as well, resistance items that only work on merc due to being a HP tank and Sexy items that give you debuffs at the same time.

People who arent into bdsm will probably do akanes bit because health damage to energy is hugeif your merc and the gear she has is ridonk
Hell non mercs could get use from it
(Hp damage to energy to paralytic shock toshields back as tech for example)
Its there lets just work it in so its not broken

 

[TFMaster]

People who arent into bdsm will probably do akanes bit because health damage to energy is hugeif your merc and the gear she has is ridonk
Hell non mercs could get use from it
(Hp damage to energy to paralytic shock toshields back as tech for example)
Its there lets just work it in so its not broken

Speak for yourself, I’m not touching Akane with a 10 foot dick! Well okay maybe once.

 

[Fireball]

Speak for yourself, I’m not touching Akane with a 10 foot dick! Well okay maybe once.

Petra's lash magically transforms based upon your gear and a melee with relatively impressive damage and +10 fortification (for mercs) is huge
Warden shield or similar and pirate prototype shield with the meleeperks and suddenly you are raid boss levels of strong
Plus pain gramma is okay compared to some stuff we misadvertantly put ourselves through *glances back at my old misadventures on myrellion*

 

[TFMaster]

Petra's lash magically transforms based upon your gear and a melee with relatively impressive damage and +10 fortification (for mercs) is huge
Warden shield or similar and pirate prototype shield with the meleeperks and suddenly you are raid boss levels of strong
Plus pain gramma is okay compared to some stuff we misadvertantly put ourselves through *glances back at my old misadventures on myrellion*

Yeah I am well aware that the gear that you can get from Akane is some of the best in the game but I’m not too keen on getting whipped M’kay, it’s just not my thing!

 

[null_blank]

We should compile a list of optimal gear for folks that don't want to do specific waifu/husbando quests. Though I'm pretty sure it'll just be stuff you buy from Uveto at this point.

 

[ScarletteKnight]

If you don't feel like doing awesome content you could always cheat. Or just not have the most optimal gear, since it changes frequently and isn't necessary.

 

[TFMaster]

If you don't feel like doing awesome content you could always cheat. Or just not have the most optimal gear, since it changes frequently and isn't necessary.

Yeah but I can’t cheat because I play this game on my phone and I don’t even have a computer so I have no way that I can use the Save Editor.

 

[ScarletteKnight]

Yeah but I can’t cheat because I play this game on my phone and I don’t even have a computer so I have no way that I can use the Save Editor.

Then don't cheat! I dunno, I still use the Shock Bow, so I obviously don't care about optimal equipment.

 

[Shiranui]

We should compile a list of optimal gear for folks that don't want to do specific waifu/husbando quests. Though I'm pretty sure it'll just be stuff you buy from Uveto at this point.

Well Uverto and some from Zheng Shi, Premium Armstrong from Myrellion if you don't want to interact with Shizuya (does she count as a quest?).

Then don't cheat! I dunno, I still use the Shock Bow, so I obviously don't care about optimal equipment.

To be fair the shock bow is one of the best weapons for a melee build due to its built in stun chance and likely the best for melee tech for Merc its likely a vampire weapon.