It takes the time it takes. What you need to remember, is the fact that they only started writing it then, at which point they would have to code it afterwards.
What we would like to see related to the Dragon TF
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Kitsune den is filled with small interactions to large scene changes if you are one or not. Frankly, Tobs does tend to go above and beyond in giving player illusion that being being the champion of Keros is kind of big deal. Not sure about being Valk, but I guess it would be not worth it from what I have heard. Barely anyone aknowledges it, and it doesn't seem to be presented as all that important. Especially since, unlike Keros, there are dozen of others. Which just beats the purpose of being one, in my opinion.
Edit: Yes, I know that it makes sense for Lumine to have number of winged warriors. But I hope you get what I mean.
PS: What is so special about being a dragon. I am out of loop.
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There isn't really anything special about it, especially considering you're not actually a dragon, but a dragon-morph. Apparently it will get acknowledged by some people in the same way a soul-bind would, but aside from that it doesn't seem like it's all that 'special' so to speak. At the end of the day, the value it has comes down to the individual player. Some players are keen to stay one specific race throughout the game and as such gives high value to specific TFs, and in that sense the dragon-morph TF just appeals to the people that want to be a half-ish dragon thingie.
I'd argue in a lot of ways we're far more special than she is, but that isn't limited to the dragon TF. Keep in mind that as far as I'm aware, Evelyn isn't actually a dragon either. She gets some of their powers from the weapon, and her appearance changes to match, but the same can be said about the MC when they do the TF. Evelyn is to my knowledge essentially a dragon-morph as well.
It's just sometimes It feels like there a lot people that could end this whole Kas debacle, but they just choose not to. Kind of makes Kas as threat seem all that less threatening.
Which also seems to be the case for Evelyn. She can take three on one challenge, yet then she does nothing with that power.
Which also seems to be the case for Evelyn. She can take three on one challenge, yet then she does nothing with that power.
Eh, that isn't really a COC2 problem. That's a lot of RPG games problem.
You absolutely can use it, you just have to use the save editor to place it in one of your active power slots. Make a save file with a slot open, then load up & add the power. I’m using it on my black mage character right now.
That's still not classified as actually being able to use it. To do that, you're cheating to achieve it. Something a lot of people won't bother with, for a lot of different individual reasons. So no, you cannot use it until level 10, unless you actively go out of your way to cheat the system.
Well, if said people want to be precious about save editing in a single player porn game, that’s their prerogative.
I was simply offering a solution for those who want to use the power now.
No need to be condescending about it. For most people it isn't about being 'precious' or keeping their game 'pure' it's often just a matter of them either not knowing save editing is a thing, or because they can't be bothered to do it, hell they might just not want to risk borking their saves.
dam was really hoping for a full dragon form that could shift into a humanoid form for the sex scenes to get around the whole four legs and stuff.
Since the party in Khor'minos has a Dragon skull and they mentions it a few times. I can see some special interaction for a Draconic PC who arrives at the party and everyone getting stunned to see a living dragon that they all thought were extinct at that point and maybe even get a little nervous when they talk about the dragon skull and slaying dragons or stuff related to them.
The player isn't s dragon. Dragons are still extinct. The player is simply a dragon-MORPH.
Yeah. She comments on the
Dragon Skull
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Not really? I mean, Lupine probably won't have an issue with killing wolves, and Foxen likely wouldn't have a problem killing foxes. It's essentially the same situation, even if dragons are sentient beings. The MC isn't a dragon, and as such it would be unlikely to matter. Sure the devs might add custom reactions to it if they really want to which I wouldn't be opposed to, but to me it's two completely different creatures at the end of the day, so to me personally it wouldn't really matter. At most the MC looks semi draconic, but most people at the party likely wouldn't even know that appearance comes from draconic blood having transformed them, so would be unlikely to change their behavior. Should the MC react differently? I'd argue not, since they aren't a dragon, hell they aren't even a half dragon either, so they have no real horse in that race besides common decency born from possibly having met an actual dragon and as such have a bias against killing dragons. And an MC could've met a dragon regardless of if they're a dragon-morph or not, so that bias wouldn't even inherently be born from that transformation.
I'd like to see interaction with Azyrran-related pregnancy. My current character, originally female wild elf, got egged by draconic Azzy. Now Vivienne has finished making dragon TF and Alessia (PC) used Dragonsblood (and a bit of Wild Wine to revert unwanted changes) to get looks of a female dragon inspired by Ashe's humanoid form, just with additional wings (and draconic asshole - for whatever reason critical element to be classified as dragon instead of wyld elf - tail, wings, eyes and scaly hands are not enough).
As I see it, resulting offspring from draconic Azyrran with draconic PC as hive-wife should be draconic hornets, begining of a new hive draconic Azzy talks so much about. But birth scene shows standard vesparians and it does not even mention Azzy's parenthood.
As I see it, resulting offspring from draconic Azyrran with draconic PC as hive-wife should be draconic hornets, begining of a new hive draconic Azzy talks so much about. But birth scene shows standard vesparians and it does not even mention Azzy's parenthood.
The explanation to that is simple. MC's kids are always the race of the other parent, which if I recall correctly is lore-wise a result of how mailable the MC is due to the explosion they were exposed to at the temple when Kas broke through the portal. Or in dev speak, it would be too big of a mess code-wise to keep track of the kids if they got racial features from MC. As for the other parent, at the end of the day, Azzy is still a vesparian. The spear changed her appearance and some of her more dominant in nature personality traits were turned to 11, but underneath all of that she's still just a good'ol hornet girl. And therefor would only have vesparian children. Hell, are we even sure 'her' eggs are her own, and not the eggs of the queen? As far as I'm aware, she isn't a queen yet and as such probably isn't even producing her own eggs. In that case even if the spear changed her race (which I doubt it does) the kids would still be vesparian, since the eggs are from the queen and are simply passed on so to speak to Azzy for her to pass them on to a suitable nesting host which means the eggs would still come from a fully vesparian queen and as such result in vesparian children.
Kinda weird not having an issue with that kind of stuff tho, I’d argue. I mean, me personally, I’d be a little adverse to killing another primate cause, while yeah they are not human or anything, we are still related, it feels oddly closer to actual homicide than killing just another animal, if that makes sense. Shit, now that I think about it, this view probably isn’t even rare at all, people felt bad about Harambe for a reason. So, can’t help but think it’d be a similar thing for, say, a vulperine, that would therefore feel a little adverse to hunting an actual fox.
It a least looks bad to me, that’s for sure. So, going back to the topic, whether actual dragon or dragon-morph, it really doesn’t matter, seems a little unsavory all the same. That’s still the death of a creature that is, if only superficially, similar to you.
If you talk to her about the hive, draconic Azzy answers this:
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There's a faint buzz from Azzy's wings as she considers, before she settles for resting a hand on your head. "I care greatly for my sisters, but if it's hives you're concerned about... well, my own, obviously."
She strokes your sensitive ears and smiles, buzzing again. "Of course I make sure to fly between there and Hawkethorne whenever I'm not with you, but my aspirations? I've made it clear before." Azyrran leans in and gently bites your ear, a faint blush on her cheeks. "A hive with you, my fellow Queen. I would like to see Kasyrra dare try and take over that hive."
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Also at this point she has likely traveled with us for several month, thus spending a lot more time outside queen Nyzerrah's pheromone aura, than inside it. And according to Codex:Vesparins, source of handmaiden's sterility is pheromone aura of a queen. So probability, that Azzy is fertile fledgeling queen and eggs are her own, is quite high. So when eggs of dragon-infused hornet-girl grow inide similary dragon-infused PC, it is reasonable to expect dragon-vesparian offspring - children were spending all their existance inside something draconic.
The game is only meant to take place over a couple of months canonically, so to say several months is a bit of a stretch. And no way does she grow from an ordinary hornet knight to a burgeoning queen in that amount of time regardless of is she has the spear or not. Besides, the draconic 'infused' Champ is for all intends and purposes still racially barren in terms of offspring as seen by other pregnancies after the transformation. Not even being changed into a kitsune by a literal god changes that, as they still only have kids belonging to the race of the other parent. If a god can't change that, which I might point out that kitsune always breed true and only have kitsune kits, then no way in hell is a bit of crystalized dragon blood going to fix that 'problem' for the Champ. As for Azzy, once again I'm pretty damn sure she's still entirely vesparian. The spear simply gives her some of the powers of a dragon, and slightly alters her appearance and boosts parts of her personality. We'd need @Savin the glorious over-god to either confirm or deny that, but I'll go as far as to say I'm confident that the spear doesn't change Azzy's fundamental race to the point where her own children down the line would be in any way shape or form draconic in nature. If that was the case, I'm sure we would've seen other dragon-like creatures inevitably having been born from past wielders of the spear, passing on those genes to kids of their own, generation after generation. Besides, there's been absolutely no indication that the changes the spear causes are permanent in any way shape or form. The spear is meant to be passed on as is clear by the fact that the transformation wasn't exclusive to the previous wielder, and I doubt the spear has the magic to perpetually transform every new wielder while maintaining previous transformations of the other wielders that comes before them once it's 'bonded' to someone new.
Besides, Azzy simply says she want a hive of her own, which I feel like is a sorta important fact to keep in mind doing this entire conversation. If her offspring would be draconic in any way, I'm sure that would've explicitly been mentioned as I'm sure she would have an inclination that she'd be able to birth children with the attributes gifted to her by the spear.
Well, technically the only reason you see births and visible pregnancy signs in the first place, is because you're playing with sped up pregnancy which I believe is the default. All the different races have different gestation periods, and if you don't play with sped up pregnancy some of them can last anywhere from between 8 to 9 months like a typical human pregnancy. It's only sped up like this for the sake of people that have a pregnancy kink, and who wants to see the visible signs of pregnancy as well those who often want to see and interact with the unique children that are born as a result from certain NPCs. Granted some people are just fine with pregnancy for the sake of it and don't really mind the 'invisible' kids in the nursery. They're solely there for the pregnancy appearance and sex that usually comes with it. Not that it's a topic particularly relevant to this threat. The only real reason any type of pregnancy was brought up was because it was in relation to the Dragon-morph TF and a companion that has a similar transformation, not a general discussion of pregnancy in the game.
Large parts of the game are abstracted and 'making sense' isn't something the devs care about. We know that it's supposed to take place in the span of a couple of months because we've been told this repeatedly. Pregnancy happens far faster than it should because people like that content and making them wait a realistic amount of in-game time would be Not Fun.
Spear originally did not induce draconic change, it caused only Destiny of Conquest, look at Iveryn var Ridell, previous wielder of this weapon, who was still normal elf. Draconic qualities are new thing, caused by spear spending time in Ashe's wound. So we have no precedent about inheritance of draconic qualities. Still it is reasonable to assume that both Azzy and PC being draconic may have some effect on offspring, because their bodies are literaly infused with power of dragons. Hence the question.
As for canonial couple of month, it is still long time mostly outside of Nizerrah's pheromone aura with only occasional short returns to hive. And codex tells us how hornet amazon being adventurer ends:
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History speaks, on rare occasion, of hornet amazons from dead hives becoming adventurers or even heroes, wielding bronze and poison in the name of some small village or petty kingdom that earned her respect — and often became her new home, soon to be the site of a new hive.
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Yes, it is mostly about hive knights of dead hives, but same codex tells us, that what acually matters is time outside queen's pheromone aura.
Regardless of the spears transformative qualities, it still doesn't change the fact that the Champ is racially barren. The dragon blood definitely doesn't change that when a god can't even change it. It also still doesn't change the fact that there's no proof that the transformation from the spear is racial in nature. For all we know, the transformation is still only relatively skin deep limited to basic powers and superficial physical and mental changes. At this point we can argue about it from now until Christmas, the only real definitive answer that'll actually end the debate would have to come from Savin himself, seeing as he seems to be the big boss when it ultimately comes to major lore decisions. Until/if we hear a definitive response from him, I don't really see the point in continuing this anyways at it would just lead to endless amounts of spam.
I would love to be able to be considered a dragon without being anime styled/salamander. I prefer having muzzle and MOAR SCALES! Horned, winged, tailed and partially scaled humans aren't what I'm interested in. I think it would make more sense to look more like Ashelander before death than to look like Aileh or Draconic Vivianne or Azzy (they're just using the power, the transformation is more of a power bleed-off imo). As well as, Aileh is a "dragon" from another plane of existence, why wouldn't dragon-morphs look different from plane to plane? About the only proper scaly we have is poor Pavo who you can't interact with after Arona's personal quest and dungeon, which is another shame for me.