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PillowWizard

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Not a charmer guy, but if you steal from Eirina after having sex with her during tychris, you can give the book to Evergreen for a mallachite staff that applies Blessing to a target after heal. Elosa's temple also has an axe that's good for charmers/spellblades tho I think it got modified?
Does the Blessing apply on ANY heal, like for example, would a full party heal also pop that Blessing on everyone? If so, that's pretty damn strong.... plus, Tychris can be tackled fairly early, all things considered.
 

SeveringCrisis

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Does the Blessing apply on ANY heal, like for example, would a full party heal also pop that Blessing on everyone? If so, that's pretty damn strong.... plus, Tychris can be tackled fairly early, all things considered.
Correction, it's when you cast a spell on an ally, and no, aoe spells don't seem to count but charmer's perk doubling buff duration does.
 

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Correction, it's when you cast a spell on an ally, and no, aoe spells don't seem to count but charmer's perk doubling buff duration does.
Ah well, still strong. Makes it that I probably can save a buff slot for just a heal, since said Heal will ALSO apply a buff, that's good.
 

Lostname475

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Funny stuff from blue flame blade with Fami and Pest, as with eye of weakness the attacked enemy gets six turns of on fire while the others gets 12 turns
is there a toxic shock equivalent for burning, because that seems really good if there is
 

SeveringCrisis

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is there a toxic shock equivalent for burning, because that seems really good if there is
No, the only thing similar is deflagrating touch which causes target to burn permanently and gains +25 crit chance against burning enemies, another good option for pestilence is the debuff nuke that is Hypercranial combustion that reduces all Defense and Evasion to 0.
 

Resawar

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I prefer pairing flesh to stone with kiyoko for strenght wizard as coastlands enemies have a lot of turns which ends up frequently killing them on the same round I proc it, even better if they live long enough for pestilence to spread it.
Good point, always forget a power or two. Storm Skald could make this more potent with Thunderous Cleave.
Elosa's temple also has an axe that's good for charmers/spellblades tho I think it got modified?
Heavy weapon tag on a support charmer is a sad sight in my opinion.
is there a toxic shock equivalent for burning, because that seems really good if there is
Sadly no as far as I know. Azzy's Poison Edge power could be abused along with Rin and the swords maybe?
No, the only thing similar is deflagrating touch which causes target to burn permanently and gains +25 crit chance against burning enemies, another good option for pestilence is the debuff nuke that is Hypercranial combustion that reduces all Defense and Evasion to 0.
Burn order with Deflagrating Touch is weird as the infinite burn makes all other sources lesser once in place but if applied after a timed one it sticks around still.
So Charmer can be pretty flexible with how it plays...

For Support, do I just want to stack buffs/heals and let Hexlet Cait/Spirit Totem Arona go to town on enemies while I keep a tank in the wings to absorb a few hits?

And with Melee Charmer, that seems a bit more specialized, but in a good way. For my first foray into Kitsune Charmer, do you have any suggestions for what sort of charmer set would be better to play with, assuming I keep Kiyoko in the party for Flavor reasons?
Are you set on hex Cait and Spirit Arona? If you want to try others I did a write up on all of them here. Support charmer fits well into a tank and healer set up with some wiggle room in Vestal Cait, Double damage can be done with support of Crackle and Kunai to help proc Twist the Knife and get a free turn. Support can also get use exclusively with Thief due to Eye For Weakness, it depends if you really want those longer debuffs. With support charmer the debuffs are fine but the buffs you can apply to the party is the main idea with some support debuffs that can be mixed in.

My main support set was for a bit making use of FoxFire, Acid Flask, A buff power/Allure and Roaring Storm. Acid Flask or Estrus Flask for cunning use along with Roaring Storm and FoxFire for chip, the last slot could be a buff power or the flask could be switched out for it and then I would always try to run allure for damage. The set can be readily changed to do more with buffs but the backbone of Allure was important in my mind to help deal damage.

Melee Charmer wants powers that gives them buffs that help, some buffs are balanced by only being for one turn like Blur but can be doubled. some power that can be used and abused are things like Eviscerate, Savage Strike/Fury Strike, any power that can grant Obscured, Shielding Smite, Venom Strike, Night Shroud, Take Cover, Unbreakable, Hornet Blade, Sneak Attack and any other buffing power. Keeping Kiyoko makes her hard to slot but Kami-no-Michi or Onmyodo could work with Vestal Cait to tank and heal. Blue Flame Blade is assumed to be ran for the extra damage in all sets other then with Sneak Attack, Charge weapon can also be used but your picking fox for a reason.

Magic charmer can also work due to some spells giving buffs that can be abused too
 
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Good point, always forget a power or two. Storm Skald could make this more potent with Thunderous Cleave.

Heavy weapon tag on a support charmer is a sad sight in my opinion.

Sadly no as far as I know. Azzy's Poison Edge power could be abused along with Rin and the swords maybe?

Burn order with Deflagrating Touch is weird as the infinite burn makes all other sources lesser once in place but if applied after a timed one it sticks around still.

Are you set on hex Cait and Spirit Arona? If you want to try others I did a write up on all of them here. Support charmer fits well into a tank and healer set up with some wiggle room in Vestal Cait, Double damage can be done with support of Crackle and Kunai to help proc Twist the Knife and get a free turn. Support can also get use exclusively with Thief due to Eye For Weakness, it depends if you really want those longer debuffs. With support charmer the debuffs are fine but the buffs you can apply to the party is the main idea with some support debuffs that can be mixed in.

My main support set was for a bit making use of FoxFire, Acid Flask, A buff power/Allure and Roaring Storm. Acid Flask or Estrus Flask for cunning use along with Roaring Storm and FoxFire for chip, the last slot could be a buff power or the flask could be switched out for it and then I would always try to run allure for damage. The set can be readily changed to do more with buffs but the backbone of Allure was important in my mind to help deal damage.

Melee Charmer wants powers that gives them buffs that help, some buffs are balanced by only being for one turn like Blur but can be doubled. some power that can be used and abused are things like Eviscerate, Savage Strike/Fury Strike, any power that can grant Obscured, Shielding Smite, Venom Strike, Night Shroud, Take Cover, Unbreakable, Hornet Blade, Sneak Attack and any other buffing power. Keeping Kiyoko makes her hard to slot but Kami-no-Michi or Onmyodo could work with Vestal Cait to tank and heal. Blue Flame Blade is assumed to be ran for the extra damage in all sets other then with Sneak Attack, Charge weapon can also be used but your picking fox for a reason.

Magic charmer can also work due to some spells giving buffs that can be abused too
Think I can get away with a slow Support? Presence/Cunning/Willpower, foregoing agiltiy...? It would make my buffs go off sooner, yes, and make emergency heals easier... Presence/Cunning are non-optional, since Presence basically exists because of this class, and Cunning... well, I like the dialogue changes and the idea of a sharp-witted girl becoming a kitsune with all that guile. Problem then becomes, if I go Wil, I obviously go slower. Foxfire and Roaring Storm do FAR more damage, though, and I believe my heals will... well, heal harder, especially thanks to critical heal chance. Conversely, if I go Agility, I move before the enemies (most of the time), and I can probably evade if a stray hit comes my way... but Roaring Storm + Foxfire won't really do any damage thanks to their reliance on Willpower.
 

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Try one those four but maybe add some extra spice to it and try a solo challenge.

 

Resawar

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Think I can get away with a slow Support? Presence/Cunning/Willpower, foregoing agiltiy...? It would make my buffs go off sooner, yes, and make emergency heals easier... Presence/Cunning are non-optional, since Presence basically exists because of this class, and Cunning... well, I like the dialogue changes and the idea of a sharp-witted girl becoming a kitsune with all that guile. Problem then becomes, if I go Wil, I obviously go slower. Foxfire and Roaring Storm do FAR more damage, though, and I believe my heals will... well, heal harder, especially thanks to critical heal chance. Conversely, if I go Agility, I move before the enemies (most of the time), and I can probably evade if a stray hit comes my way... but Roaring Storm + Foxfire won't really do any damage thanks to their reliance on Willpower.
What I usually do is forgo Willpower and boost it when I have the ability to boost it with boons. FoxFires damage even with low Willpower keeps up with other damage At-wills from my testing due to the burn effect, its less damage but still a debuffs they have to deal with. But if that does not seem very enticing then I would just use one of the other good At-Wills for support such as Bolstering Dance, Great Heal, Cadence of Power, or Bardic Cadence. You could also get use out of Zo's powers such as Tranquility which does scale with Presence, Twisted Pyre could help a spell blade companion deal more damage. For Encounter powers like Flesh to Stone, Rime Veil, or Song of Splendor could fill in. My two listed there are for the chip more then anything, I did use to use Dawnbreak for the weapon buff support.

The only worry about forgoing Agility is that some enemies on the first turn will not be potentially debuffed, if one of those is a dangerous enemy then that would be a problem. Other than that I do not see a reason why it would be the worst.
 

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What I usually do is forgo Willpower and boost it when I have the ability to boost it with boons. FoxFires damage even with low Willpower keeps up with other damage At-wills from my testing due to the burn effect, its less damage but still a debuffs they have to deal with. But if that does not seem very enticing then I would just use one of the other good At-Wills for support such as Bolstering Dance, Great Heal, Cadence of Power, or Bardic Cadence. You could also get use out of Zo's powers such as Tranquility which does scale with Presence, Twisted Pyre could help a spell blade companion deal more damage. For Encounter powers like Flesh to Stone, Rime Veil, or Song of Splendor could fill in. My two listed there are for the chip more then anything, I did use to use Dawnbreak for the weapon buff support.

The only worry about forgoing Agility is that some enemies on the first turn will not be potentially debuffed, if one of those is a dangerous enemy then that would be a problem. Other than that I do not see a reason why it would be the worst.
Okay, awesome, thank you for all your help! I do have just one more question, it's about Boons! There are boons that, for example, "Maximize" a stat. Exactly how high does it boost said stat exactly?
 

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highest it can be for your level. So as if you'd increased it every level with your stat points and had a +3 to it from background/race/class combo
 

PillowWizard

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highest it can be for your level. So as if you'd increased it every level with your stat points and had a +3 to it from background/race/class combo
Oooooh, alright! And since they usually last 24 hours... I can pretty much just have 4 maxed stats. That's good, actually. Means I can have a high cunning character in a build that doesn't really need cunning that much. That's a relief.
 
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SeveringCrisis

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Oooooh, alright! And since they usually last 24 hours... I can pretty much just have 4 maxed stats. That's good, actually. Means I can have a high cunning character in a build that doesn't really need cunning that much. That's a relief.
Some of the boons have inventory versions that I think apply to the entire party, Kiyoko can give you the bento box for willpower from visiting her once every 4 days, apple centaur in harvest valley gives max agility item from milking her and pupper pale ale from pupperidge farm increases toughness