The Thraggen Tf (aka "i want to be a space orc and there's nothing you can do to stop me from it")

[LeDoraggo]

Ngl, was really thinking about this for a long time now, but discussions on a recent thread made me go "yeah, i can probably do this". So, i made this thread to gatter some feedback before i make a real doc to (hopefully one day) submit it (which will probably won't really happen, but still)

So, the Thraggen, big green things that like to fight and fuck, preferably in that order. I think the biggest thing a Thraggen mod would have on its favor is the "you get hard by being hit" thing. I originally tought of making it a perk that turned some of the physical damage the player takes into lust damage instead, but i'm not sure what the general consensus for tfs giving you perks that affect combat is in the current day

That out of the way, i guess the only thing left to do is just get my procastinating ahh to finally write the doc down. It'll probably take me a while, but i'll hopefully post it whenever i have it somewhat ready. I'm open to any ideas y'all might think are important/useful to keep in mind

 

[Theron]

So, the Thraggen, big green things that like to fight and fuck, preferably in that order. I think the biggest thing a Thraggen mod would have on its favor is the "you get hard by being hit" thing. I originally tought of making it a perk that turned some of the physical damage the player takes into lust damage instead, but i'm not sure what the general consensus for tfs giving you perks that affect combat is in the current day

It's supposed to be frowned on, but it still happens.

That out of the way, i guess the only thing left to do is just get my procastinating ahh to finally write the doc down. It'll probably take me a while, but i'll hopefully post it whenever i have it somewhat ready. I'm open to any ideas y'all might think are important/useful to keep in mind

You'll need to decide how to get enough racial score to meaningfully differentiate it from Humans, but you knew that already.
Female (-presenting?) Thraggen are likely to qualify for Amazon, too.

 

[razor777]

I think the biggest thing a Thraggen mod would have on its favor is the "you get hard by being hit" thing. I originally tought of making it a perk that turned some of the physical damage the player takes into lust damage instead, but i'm not sure what the general consensus for tfs giving you perks that affect combat is in the current day

 

[LeDoraggo]

It's supposed to be frowned on, but it still happens

I know, that's why i'm mostly hesitant from adding it (even though the idea was one of the things that originally inspired me to make the TF). It's probably the only thing i'm willing to not really include if i ever get to submit it

You'll need to decide how to get enough racial score to meaningfully differentiate it from Humans, but you knew that already.
Female (-presenting?) Thraggen are likely to qualify for Amazon, too.

Thraggen are really similar to humans if one leaves the orc-ish appearance aside. The basic would be to give the player a tusked face, eyes with black sclera, a more muscular build, and greener skin tones. I know that more femenine Thraggen are usually presented as "amazonian", so i'll probably lean more towards that. Other than that, i'll see if it's worth it to make any other "Thraggen" body parts

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Does that perk really work like that? I think i'd never interacted enough with Akane to actually get it in any run, so i'm not sure if it's the same as i described. Again, i'll probably just focus on the physical changes, so it's likely i won't have to worry about perk shenanigans

 

[Azrael1]

Funniest thing about this, is that a few days ago I was asking about the idea of a Thraggen transformation for Mitzi and curious how it would affect her personality if she underwent the transformation.

Other than that, good idea as I never knew there was no means of becoming one at the time.

 

[LeDoraggo]

Other than that, good idea as I never knew there was no means of becoming one at the time.

Yes, there's none, not even save editing (unless you count penis, which my theory is that it's only really there for Ardia), which has always seemed baffling to me, honestly

Also, about the Mitzi stuff, i don't know personally, as i have little to no experience writing such scenes yet and have no plans of doing it, really, but (assuming my stupid idea gets acepted) if anyone in the future wants to use this stuff for such an expansion, it's fine by me

 

[Theron]

I know that more femenine Thraggen are usually presented as "amazonian", so i'll probably lean more towards that.

What I meant is, they'll probably usually be considered 'Amazonian Thraggen' by the system, which is redundant.

Does that perk really work like that? I think i'd never interacted enough with Akane to actually get it in any run, so i'm not sure if it's the same as i described. Again, i'll probably just focus on the physical changes, so it's likely i won't have to worry about perk shenanigans

I'm pretty sure the description is misleading, at least from the Flash code I saw. It's supposed to give you scaling bonus Defense as HP decreases, while lowering Lust Defense by the same amount. But I think I found a bug in the port while confirming it.

 

[PanzerGuitar00]

But I think I found a bug in the port while confirming it.

That.... sounds familiar actually... was that ever fixed?

 

[Theron]

That.... sounds familiar actually... was that ever fixed?

No. I just found and reported it today.

 

[PanzerGuitar00]

No. I just found and reported it today.

Hm. Maybe give it a bump then.

 

[PanzerGuitar00]

Oh wait you meant just now, lol woops.

 

[LeDoraggo]

I'm pretty sure the description is misleading, at least from the Flash code I saw. It's supposed to give you scaling bonus Defense as HP decreases, while lowering Lust Defense by the same amount. But I think I found a bug in the port while confirming it.

Like i said, never interacted with Akane enough to get the perk, so if i just described it's effects, then it was completely not intentional
I saw it on the wiki, but it honestly always kind of confused me, so i try to steer clear from it

 

[Theron]

RE: Perk
How about 'Orgasms restore HP'.
It won't make a difference in combat, but I think it fits the theme. Normally, when you're defeated by HP, you'll lose all combat until you regain some by Resting/Sleeping or using an item. With this, even if you lose by HP, you'll be ready for the next fight, as long as the last encounter ended with sex.
The only potential issue I see is being able to masturbate back to full health. If you want to curb the potential for 'abuse', I'd say either put a cap (1/2, 1/4 max HP) or just make it heal a small amount of HP (1-5?). I was thinking about maybe it could scale with Lust, but I don't know the order of operations in the orgasm code.

 

[LeDoraggo]

Good call. To remove the 'cheesing' of it, it could function somewhat similar to Breed 'n Brute, where only orgasms from penetrative sex activate the perk's effects. Maybe even giving the player a small stat boost for some minutes afterwards, though we'll be getting into "it does affect combat" territory again. Perhaps just giving it a cooldown of a few hours would be beter. I'll see what i can come up with. Thanks for the idea

 

[Theron]

I lean toward the KISS principle (Keep It Simple, Stupid). The easier it is to code the better, in general. Personally, I'd provide the developers with some balancing ideas and let them figure out which, if any, they think is most appropriate. It may be my concern is unnecessary. There are lots of ways to heal: items, the healing cocksock, Tika, Resting, etc..

For clarity, I based the idea off Energizing Libido (which does let you get back to full Energy, eventually).

 

[LeDoraggo]

Does (Physique/2) sound good? I want it to keep the idea that Thraggen's bodies are literaly made to fight and fuck afterwards, and i thought Physique could be a good way to determine the ammount of HP you can get back from busting a nut (also, it was the only stat that made sense out of the others). I also thought of Tone, but i discarded it immediately after remembering tone is easier to increase than physique
Maybe i'm just overthinking this, though

 

[Theron]

Is Physique/2 the cap, or how much you get?
I believe max Physique is 65 + 10 (Implant) + 5 (Signet of Bravery) = 80

You might be overthinking it. Also, this works for females, too, right?

 

[LeDoraggo]

Yes, it does (or at least I hope it will). Females can bust (girl)nuts too, after all
My idea was for the recovered HP equal to half of your total current Physique value, meaning that, in the case you mentioned, you'll recover at least 40 HP from a single orgasm, probably going on a (lengthy) cooldown to avoid it being overpowered. I'll probably reduce it down to 25% of current physique if it's still too powerful, though

 

[Theron]

Oh wait you meant just now, lol woops.

False alarm. Tested it in-game, and it seems to work as intended.

My idea was for the recovered HP equal to half of your total current Physique value, meaning that, in the case you mentioned, you'll recover at least 40 HP from a single orgasm, probably going on a (lengthy) cooldown to avoid it being overpowered. I'll probably reduce it down to 25% of current physique if it's still too powerful, though

You might want to set a minimum of 1, just in case someone does something crazy like use the Aim implant and get 0 effective Physique.

 

[LeDoraggo]

Okay, been working for most of the day on the doc so far, scratching my nogging for what'd make the most sense for a Thraggen TF to have, and i'm currently at the transformative effects part. I'm kinda liking it so far (even though i'll probably end up changing a few things eventually), so i'm going to post the link to the doc for you guys to give it a peek
Here it is, let me know if there's any problems with the doc and if there's any change i should do to it

 

[Azrael1]

Yes, there's none, not even save editing (unless you count penis, which my theory is that it's only really there for Ardia), which has always seemed baffling to me, honestly

Also, about the Mitzi stuff, i don't know personally, as i have little to no experience writing such scenes yet and have no plans of doing it, really, but (assuming my stupid idea gets acepted) if anyone in the future wants to use this stuff for such an expansion, it's fine by me

Fair enough