Presence no longer gives health and gives less leadership so seems a bit more of a waste. I like building a sort of tank/support Champ so I can use all the companions for the most part and if the champ dies you lose anyways. Used to go for Presence, Willpower, Toughness with Warrior and using paladin type gear and spells a lot. Would probably go White Mage instead now with the changes to the perks. I guess they did change some of the spells to be Charms now so maybe Presence is not useless for my build? Wiki still is not updated for the changes to Presence I don't think. Aria of Waves is yellow but still listed as a spell on the wiki not a charm so that would still be willpower I assume? Don't see any Charms I would want really. Probably would rather go for Strength now with either the +3 from starting into Willpower or Toughness which is easier to do since can start as White Mage or Warrior right away (old character was Human, Noble, Charmer for the +3 Presence before switching to Warrior later) Elf with Dove Wings could be neat