TheShepard256
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You just have to have Ryn recruited (whether or not she's in your party doesn't matter), and the time has to be in the afternoon.
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Thanks...just after you posted, I finally got the option. Trouble was, I kept looking for it in Cait's sex options. I should have been looking at Ryn's instead.
D'oh! Thanks for the info.
D'oh! Thanks for the info.
Savin has continuously said NO to dedicking/giving a vagina to Ryn. I think this forum needs a huge flashing sign 'No Ryn will not be getting a vag or be dedicked'.
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For future use, here is but one location where Savin has been clear that no, Ryn is never getting a vagina nor removing her penis. And there's an even more detailed explanation of why in one of his Patreon comments, which I can't link to conveniently (for subscribers it's in this one) but I can take a screenshot of it:
It is not because Ryn does not want to. Well it is but not really,. It is because it would be to much work to track and future proof.
Considering what kind of character Ryn is (at worst/best your personal relief tool) forcing her to gain pussy would not be a hard task in itself. Directly making her, coursing her into it. Make it a part of corrupt path. Really any fun way. So it is all but impossible.
But since she already has 9 states, even tho 3 of them are more work then they are worth in my opinion, you are not getting it.
Edit: And most importantly, authors do not want to.
Considering what kind of character Ryn is (at worst/best your personal relief tool) forcing her to gain pussy would not be a hard task in itself. Directly making her, coursing her into it. Make it a part of corrupt path. Really any fun way. So it is all but impossible.
But since she already has 9 states, even tho 3 of them are more work then they are worth in my opinion, you are not getting it.
Edit: And most importantly, authors do not want to.
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Sheesh, your making it sound like the players who just want to be kind to her, are being abusive, and forcing her to do stuff she doesn’t want
While I'll not really speak to necessarily contradict the original writer's idea for the NPC, this is something that stuck out when talking with a high confidence Ryn (Regular Talk Menu -> Her People):
The above may be somewhat negated, due to the supposed negative reaction Ryn has if the PC suggests getting rid of her penis (don't have a screenshot on hand for that scene in particular, I'm uncertain of whether it's a DK PC exclusive scene).
However, the impression given to the PC at least somewhat consistently (at least from what I've seen) is that Ryn identifies as a woman, so I'd say that it wouldn't be that much of a stretch to at least entertain the thought of her getting a vagina.
Now, granted, that doesn't necessarily mean getting rid of Ryn's penis either, but one would think that if she did truly wish to be a woman (as reflected in the above screenshot, the implication seemingly being that she would of wanted to be a woman, and not "half-sexed"), if given the choice, one would think that she'd probably not be that heavily against getting a vagina in addition.
The above implication at least being somewhat strengthened by the fact that this is high confidence Ryn talking, so that would arguably be a true reflection of her feelings (or at least a truer reflection than the alternative), instead of a possible inaccurate representation of her true feelings due to her insecurity in her low confidence state.
I understand the reasoning (with more variables to contend with being a deterrent for said addition of a vagina for Ryn), but I don't necessarily understand the back and forth of "this is very clearly against what said NPC wants", when there seems to be at least some level of ambiguity to that.
The only thing that is rather unfortunate, at least in my opinion, would be that PCs that do not have a vagina would therefore not be able to have biological children with Ryn. As I understand it, Elthara would be the surrogate for Ryn and the PCs child, although the implication would seemingly be that Ryn would be the one to sire the child (as I'm uncertain of whether it would be allowed for the PC to sire the child / children, due to technicalities and all that).
I suppose for some that's fine, but for others (if they were going the quintessential harem MC protagonist that is oft popular with these type of games), I guess they'd possibly have some issue with regards to that. But I suppose that's just how it is then.
The above may be somewhat negated, due to the supposed negative reaction Ryn has if the PC suggests getting rid of her penis (don't have a screenshot on hand for that scene in particular, I'm uncertain of whether it's a DK PC exclusive scene).
However, the impression given to the PC at least somewhat consistently (at least from what I've seen) is that Ryn identifies as a woman, so I'd say that it wouldn't be that much of a stretch to at least entertain the thought of her getting a vagina.
Now, granted, that doesn't necessarily mean getting rid of Ryn's penis either, but one would think that if she did truly wish to be a woman (as reflected in the above screenshot, the implication seemingly being that she would of wanted to be a woman, and not "half-sexed"), if given the choice, one would think that she'd probably not be that heavily against getting a vagina in addition.
The above implication at least being somewhat strengthened by the fact that this is high confidence Ryn talking, so that would arguably be a true reflection of her feelings (or at least a truer reflection than the alternative), instead of a possible inaccurate representation of her true feelings due to her insecurity in her low confidence state.
I understand the reasoning (with more variables to contend with being a deterrent for said addition of a vagina for Ryn), but I don't necessarily understand the back and forth of "this is very clearly against what said NPC wants", when there seems to be at least some level of ambiguity to that.
The only thing that is rather unfortunate, at least in my opinion, would be that PCs that do not have a vagina would therefore not be able to have biological children with Ryn. As I understand it, Elthara would be the surrogate for Ryn and the PCs child, although the implication would seemingly be that Ryn would be the one to sire the child (as I'm uncertain of whether it would be allowed for the PC to sire the child / children, due to technicalities and all that).
I suppose for some that's fine, but for others (if they were going the quintessential harem MC protagonist that is oft popular with these type of games), I guess they'd possibly have some issue with regards to that. But I suppose that's just how it is then.
I mean, she was bullied because of her genitalia by Hethia and idk who else and Alissa tried to make her into her personal breeder. I can see why she would've entertained the thought of being born a woman in body as well as in mind.
But weren't it for those factors, she'd be perfectly fine with having a penis and identifying as a woman. And with her becoming regent these factors are out of the way. So she can finally be herself.
That's how I see it at least. shrug
But weren't it for those factors, she'd be perfectly fine with having a penis and identifying as a woman. And with her becoming regent these factors are out of the way. So she can finally be herself.
That's how I see it at least. shrug
At some point, it would be nice if people accepted that when Ryn and her creator both say that she doesn't want a vagina, that's really the end of the matter.
As Bast notes (and Alypia said here) Ryn is perfectly fine with her body the way it is. The whole 'If I had a choice I'd be a woman' thing is because that way she wouldn't have had to endure a cage or Alissa's bullying and, as a bonus, would have been physically bigger and probably better-equipped to punch Alissa in the face if she'd tried bullying her.
As Bast notes (and Alypia said here) Ryn is perfectly fine with her body the way it is. The whole 'If I had a choice I'd be a woman' thing is because that way she wouldn't have had to endure a cage or Alissa's bullying and, as a bonus, would have been physically bigger and probably better-equipped to punch Alissa in the face if she'd tried bullying her.
She'll react that way regardless of the Champ's personality. Here's the bit you're looking for:
And this is the conversation that really sells her stance on the matter, it's unlocked post-WC if you've already done the above conversation and talked to Evergreen about the cage:
Note the way she phrases this, she's dismissing both options not only because they won't work but because she doesn't want to do either of those things.
It's just Hethia specifically being a bitch, plus Alissa, nobody else.
In the quoted scene, the Champ presents Ryn with a binary question that excludes the answer that she wants to give (feminine half-sex, no cage, no vag). Between those two options, fully male or fully female, she'd rather have been a woman. This does not contradict Ryn's revulsion at the thought of losing her penis or gaining a vagina, which comes from the conversation about alchemy. It certainly does not indicate dissatisfaction at having a penis and no vagina.
A lot of people who want to give Ryn a pussy bring this scene up, but I feel that a close reading doesn't support it at all.
It do be like that sometimes.
Right, but her being bullied by Hethia was more because Hethia knew it would get to her (by referring to her in a derogatory manner), not because of her genitalia. As seen by Ryn's Maternal Grandmother Synneva showcases, "half-sexed" can seemingly be referred to by the pronouns they wish.
As for Alissa, sure if one refers to the screenshot Ryn does address that, she says that possibly if she'd been a male her sister wouldn't have tormented her as she did, and Alissa (according to Ryn) certainly wouldn't have caged Ryn if she were a male.
That seems independent to Ryn's last statement however, as the previous line (referring to her being a male instead) hints at what she'd think if she was still thinking about how to avoid Alissa's cruelty, whereas the latter line seems to indicate her true feelings, as it's a difference in tone, and seemingly answering the PCs question in earnest.
That's my interpretation of it at the very least.
Umm, okay?
I don't understand why there seems to always be such a negative reaction when discussing such topics, almost as though people are not allowed to bring things up that they have a different interpretation of.
Oh, and before you say it, just because creators / members of the dev team say something definitively, doesn't mean that one always has to be in agreement with them. I'm not here to say that they're wrong either, just to showcase that there can be alternate ways of interpreting things, but alas, it appears that that is an issue.
Please refer to my above point in reply to Bast.
Ah right, the Alchemy scene. Woops. I didn't realize that was the scene being referred to, as it's a once off scene that I usually skip over. Interestingly enough though, the Alchemy scene doesn't change, whether Ryn is high confidence or low confidence it still has the same stammering.
As for the post-WC scene in question, I don't usually see it, as I don't typically care much for taking Ryn to Evergreen. Although, I will admit that that does definitely swing the ambiguity to be more in line with her not wanting a vagina. Maybe there should be some more clarity given to players though, as I feel that there seemingly can be some ambiguity about the situation (as the post-WC scene can easily be missed due to its optional means as to which to gain access to it in the first place).
I concede that Ryn wouldn't want to lose her penis, as I just replayed the Alchemy scene and read it through for once instead of skipping over it, however I never really implied that she wouldn't be repulsed by having it removed either. Moreso along the lines of Ryn also possibly being open to the possibility of having a vagina in addition to her penis (which I since conceded, since I don't often see the post-WC Evergreen Ryn scene).
I would think though, that if Ryn wanted to express her opinion of not wanting to change at all, and fully reflect that lack of dissatisfaction, she would just opt to not answer the question in that way. Something along the lines of "Why change? Why not stay the same." I'll admit that yes, in the scene itself she's answering from binary options presented, but if she was truly going to get the point across that she didn't want to change, answering it in that manner is where the ambiguity seemingly comes from.
Not only that, but it seems like there's this "meta" understanding of what she wants, and what the writer wants, which is fine, but that premise then assumes that one has seen every specific scene in place (and actually read a lot of the prose that can be present) - which honestly is not often that one does (or at least myself, personally - when I'm running through on new characters).
I guess that is where I would see it differently. But as I said, with all the information presented within this thread now, I can understand the other viewpoint more clearly.
True, she doesn't express any dissatisfaction with being "half-sexed". As with my explanation above, now with the context given from the post-WC Evergreen scene, does change the narrative a bit - which I concede.
However, also in reference to my above point, one would think that Ryn would rather say that she just wants to stay the way she is. Not entirely sure why she would answer in binary terms of things, considering everything she has been through with regards to her gender identity in the first place.
And for the last point, I would hope that she would explicitly state that in-game, for future reference. No "drips and drabs" of scenes that can be easy to miss (once off Alchemy scene, easily missed post-WC Evergreen scene).
That way it may aid to clear up some confusion with regard to the seeming ambiguity surrounding the whole situation (if such scenes were missed prior).
Right well, I'm hoping there is at least some variety for how things pan out, as if it's a very linear sequence, I think that some might take issue with that.
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Why do people use character wants as a justification for why we can not do something to character? In game where one of selling points is corrupting/tfing NPCs, especially companions to your liking?
Just say that authors do not want to.
As for Ryn needing a successor? Eh, there are many ways to get around it. Many pure and not so pure ones. Lets first see how her whole story goes, K?
We already have problem where game is pushing players into lovers route. Adding vagina to her would just amplify the problem of to much wasted space.
Just say that authors do not want to.
As for Ryn needing a successor? Eh, there are many ways to get around it. Many pure and not so pure ones. Lets first see how her whole story goes, K?
We already have problem where game is pushing players into lovers route. Adding vagina to her would just amplify the problem of to much wasted space.
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The conversation takes place in the context of a discussion singling out the boreal elves' third sex. Ryn expresses no dissatisfaction with being half-sexed, but does point out that it's an unusual situation compared to other races ("most races have men and women, right?"). Champ then asks about what she'd have liked if she could only choose between male or female (like most other races). Ryn responds by saying that, given a choice between being fully male and fully female, she'd rather have been a woman.
The corollary, apparent from that preceding context, is that given a choice between being fully male, fully female, and half-sexed like she is right now, she'd rather be like she is right now - except not with a cage.
I am talking it in general situation.
We are talking about Ryn, since she does not want pussy, only way for champion to make her get was to convince/coarser/force her in some way. Basically locking it behind a corrupt champion route. Since you are ignoring her wants for yours. That is basically what I am getting at.
If you are referring to us making her gain a pussy, that is the point. Since she doea not want it, player would be forced to make her get if they want Ryn with vagina...
I am not proposing thinga here, I am just arguing thay while character wants are important for sake of the story, that does not mean that champion can not go and ruin them/change course for their personal pleasure. Ryn maybe her own character, but thay should not make her immune to players whims.
Ah, I see. Though that's kinda speculative. We don't know yet how we will be able to corrupt Ryn in the future. Otherwise correct me if I'm wrong.
No, I mean that one person made it sound like I’m taking advantage of a traumatized person, and using them for sex, when it’s not true
just to clarify to Savin, and the creator of ryn, that this isn’t about her getting a pussy, that wasn’t the focus of this post
Going back to the original question, my champ cannot wait to marry Ryn. My champ might be friendly and subby as hell to everyone but if anyone is mean to Ryn, all bets are off. She just wants to cherish Ryn officially.
Savin has strongly hinted (but not outright confirmed) that Ryn's 'corruption' path would be her accepting the offer to become a demon that Kas dangles in front of her in Winter City.
Given how adamant he is about no vagina for Ryn, we can be quite certain that no corruption option for her would do that, whether it is demonification or anything else. Though driving her Confidence down and Libido up pretty much qualifies as a corruption path on its own.
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Link's broken somehow...seemingly leads to nowhere. Though what the heck would cause Ryn to just accept the offer.
Low confidence Ryn is tempted by it, and also less opposed to Kasyrra. I think corrupting Ryn would necessitate keeping her at such a low point that she'd accept anything.
I get what your saying. I guess the way I saw it was, she wanted to be a woman. And the magic cage was preventing her from altering her body with alchemy. So in a way removing the cage and turning her into a woman with a pussy was saving her.
No idea how that happened, but fixed now.
Given that he's pointed out how low-Confidence Ryn sounds kind of tempted by the offer, it seems like a combination of keeping her there and leaving her stuck in the cage would be likely prerequisites and then something else would trigger her taking that step. I dunno, some future encounter with Kas or the like.
Some dreams do not come true though. This is one of them.
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Do hope that low confidence Ryn is not directly forced into corrupt path. I want her broken but pure.
And that we will be able to marry her even at low confidence. Yeah, lover route is one that seems to mostly support that one, with Hethias comment about it. But I mean, if our champion said that they will marry her, I think she would be all giddy about it. Marrying her mistress/master is such a romantic scenario that no good slave elf would pass up on.
And that we will be able to marry her even at low confidence. Yeah, lover route is one that seems to mostly support that one, with Hethias comment about it. But I mean, if our champion said that they will marry her, I think she would be all giddy about it. Marrying her mistress/master is such a romantic scenario that no good slave elf would pass up on.
Honestly im like high confiedence Ryn, its cute when she does things that you wouldnt expect from this smol(this is a lie i made her T H I C C) gal. Also its the kinda Ryn I want to leave behind cause she lost the race to marry the PC to a fox long ago. Also low confidence Ryn makes me the big sad.
You're not locked into marrying a single character; if you would like the Champion to marry both Kiyoko and Etheryn (and whomever else) that will be possible.
I know that, its a morale thing for me. It took me 400 fucking days in game to realize I was missing at home interactions with Kinu because I saw the text calling me an asshole for waking her up.