So, in the game if you ask Kiyoko about the Astral Plane, she will say the following "This, is what we kitsune call the Astral Plane. It's a... how should I put it? A different realm which belongs to Keros. The orbs of transference, one of which you now possess, were artifacts crafted by the trickster god to serve as gateways to his Dream. Each of the seven Living Gods possess a Dream, a realm of their shaping, and this so happens to be his."
Kiyoko got trapped within the Astral Plane during the Godswar, but if you complete the Convocation of Mirrors with the best result, you will learn that the Seven are NOT the Gods they claim to be, but are instead powerful Wraiths who consumed spirits/emotions during the Godswar and achieved a higher form of sentience, at least to the best of my understanding, and decided to act like they were the Seven Living Gods.
With the Keros we meet having come into existence during the Godswar, due to the Wraiths not being part of the world before Estelore ripped a hole in reality, where did the Kitsune get the Amulets of Transference? Kiyoko seems to talk about it like something that was normal enough, which at least to me suggests this wasn't a brand new thing she got. Was the Godswar just incredibly long, and the Wraiths that "became The Seven" were just around a long time during the conflict?
If you have 32 or more kits with Kiyoko, and then free her from the Astral Plane, Keros will have a special reaction and will reference Kiyoko's ancestor, if I recall correctly mentioning he had a great deal of children with her. This cannot be true however, as Keros could not have been around at that point, as he DID NOT EXIST yet. He could just be making a reference to something he learned about the past, and learned that there was a myth/story that Kiyoko's ancestor had a ton of children with someone who was believed to be Keros, but if that's the case, who did Kiyoko's ancestor have a ton of kids with? I figure the Kitsune are soulless "empty" creatures as Keros calls them, because he, as a Wraith, cannot create Souls, but if Wraith Keros did not create Kitsune, as they clearly existed before the Godswar, why were they soulless before he existed?
I absolutely love and adore the plot twist that the Seven Living Gods we know and meet in the game aren't actually the gods people believe them to be, but certain parts of the lore/world building don't make sense to me with the understanding that the Seven didn't exist in practice before the Godswar! During the Convocation of Mirrors plot, Nareva seems to imply, at least in my opinion that the Seven didn't even exist in truth, saying the Gods "perhaps might once have existed to provoke belief in them, but had long since left this world if they ever truly were here"
If the those gods didn't exist, how did the Amulets of Transference exist? Who created the Kitsune? Who created the valkyries? They seem to have existed before the Godswar, but Lumia herself didn't exist before the Godswar! If the valkyries existed before the Godswar and they HAD been created by Lumia, the REAL Lumia, surely they would have pointed out "Hey that's not Lumia!"
Also, as a side point, were all of the Wraiths strong enough to achieve this sort of thing? Could any Wraith do things like transform people into different races like Keros turning the Champion into a Kitsune, or Lumia transforming the Champion into a valkyrie? Or were the seven wraiths that became "The Seven" unique? Were they just way stronger than the others? Did the worship people gave them strengthen them, sorta like how people worshipping a Deity in Dungeons and Dragons makes it stronger, and so the more worshippers a Deity has, the more powerful that Deity is, becoming a Lesser Deity, or a Greater Deity?
I'm struggling to understand how the plot-twist of the Seven actually being Wraiths works in practice, because like I said I absolutely love it, so I'm asking for help in putting these things together, if anyone understands better than I do, please help me out.
Kiyoko got trapped within the Astral Plane during the Godswar, but if you complete the Convocation of Mirrors with the best result, you will learn that the Seven are NOT the Gods they claim to be, but are instead powerful Wraiths who consumed spirits/emotions during the Godswar and achieved a higher form of sentience, at least to the best of my understanding, and decided to act like they were the Seven Living Gods.
With the Keros we meet having come into existence during the Godswar, due to the Wraiths not being part of the world before Estelore ripped a hole in reality, where did the Kitsune get the Amulets of Transference? Kiyoko seems to talk about it like something that was normal enough, which at least to me suggests this wasn't a brand new thing she got. Was the Godswar just incredibly long, and the Wraiths that "became The Seven" were just around a long time during the conflict?
If you have 32 or more kits with Kiyoko, and then free her from the Astral Plane, Keros will have a special reaction and will reference Kiyoko's ancestor, if I recall correctly mentioning he had a great deal of children with her. This cannot be true however, as Keros could not have been around at that point, as he DID NOT EXIST yet. He could just be making a reference to something he learned about the past, and learned that there was a myth/story that Kiyoko's ancestor had a ton of children with someone who was believed to be Keros, but if that's the case, who did Kiyoko's ancestor have a ton of kids with? I figure the Kitsune are soulless "empty" creatures as Keros calls them, because he, as a Wraith, cannot create Souls, but if Wraith Keros did not create Kitsune, as they clearly existed before the Godswar, why were they soulless before he existed?
I absolutely love and adore the plot twist that the Seven Living Gods we know and meet in the game aren't actually the gods people believe them to be, but certain parts of the lore/world building don't make sense to me with the understanding that the Seven didn't exist in practice before the Godswar! During the Convocation of Mirrors plot, Nareva seems to imply, at least in my opinion that the Seven didn't even exist in truth, saying the Gods "perhaps might once have existed to provoke belief in them, but had long since left this world if they ever truly were here"
If the those gods didn't exist, how did the Amulets of Transference exist? Who created the Kitsune? Who created the valkyries? They seem to have existed before the Godswar, but Lumia herself didn't exist before the Godswar! If the valkyries existed before the Godswar and they HAD been created by Lumia, the REAL Lumia, surely they would have pointed out "Hey that's not Lumia!"
Also, as a side point, were all of the Wraiths strong enough to achieve this sort of thing? Could any Wraith do things like transform people into different races like Keros turning the Champion into a Kitsune, or Lumia transforming the Champion into a valkyrie? Or were the seven wraiths that became "The Seven" unique? Were they just way stronger than the others? Did the worship people gave them strengthen them, sorta like how people worshipping a Deity in Dungeons and Dragons makes it stronger, and so the more worshippers a Deity has, the more powerful that Deity is, becoming a Lesser Deity, or a Greater Deity?
I'm struggling to understand how the plot-twist of the Seven actually being Wraiths works in practice, because like I said I absolutely love it, so I'm asking for help in putting these things together, if anyone understands better than I do, please help me out.
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