Lumia TF?

BadDragoon

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I saw some talks here and there about a permanent Lumia themed transformation similar to Keros' being in the works and was wondering if there are more specifics (like who the writer for it is and what the race is going to be) yet?
 
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WolframL

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Lumia's TF is becoming a valkyrie, as you could probably deduce by completing Spectre of the Wyld or just paying attention to how often they're mentioned in post-dungeon Winter City content. ;)

What we know of the TF's appearance effect is here, plus the comment in the first link that you'll gain tons of Femininity but it won't alter your genitals.

Gardeford is the one writing the TF.
 

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Becoming a valkyrie sounds interesting but I don't like the idea that the transformation forcibly turns the PC into a woman. Fingers crossed that there could be a middle ground where we can be a femboy valkyrie.
 

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As I understand it the boobs are going to be mandatory tho so I just hope that we won't be locked into being a shemale.
Female, Shemale or Hermaphrodite depending on your genital configuration, but the very obvious implication of 'tits and +Femininity out the wazoo' is that you're gonna be shoved way past the point of being considered Male or Trap, if that's what your Champ was going in.
 

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Female, Shemale or Hermaphrodite depending on your genital configuration, but the very obvious implication of 'tits and +Femininity out the wazoo' is that you're gonna be shoved way past the point of being considered Male or Trap, if that's what your Champ was going in.
That's a bummer :confused: well hopefully we will be able to counteract it with blue eggs at least, if not then I might pass on this one.
 
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I'd say usually not genitals, but I've only got the foxen one because foxed brained dumbass.
 

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Well kitsune tf does highlight what tf parts get locked out so I don't see why others wouldn't tell you the same spiel beforehand.
 

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They will, its a saftey measure, im just curious if Luminas will be a genital lockin one.
 

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well hopefully we will be able to counteract it with blue eggs at least, if not then I might pass on this one.
Yeah, perma-TFs don't work like that. If they're designed to give you breasts and Femininity, that's not the kind of thing you can undo with TFing any more than you can undo the fur and tails that come with becoming a floof. Just like all harpies are female, all valkyries are at least feminine.
They will, its a saftey measure, im just curious if Luminas will be a genital lockin one.
Since Savin specifically said it wouldn't force any changes on you, my guess that it will function just like the Kitsune TF where your genitals can still be TF'd afterwards.
 

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Just like all harpies are female, all valkyries are at least feminine.
Well I think femboys should be feminine enough to be an option imo.
Since Savin specifically said it wouldn't force any changes on you
So he said but the valkyrie TF would forcibly give the PC tits and change their gender as it currently stands. I wouldn't mind If cosmetics only TFs like harpies and manticores were female exclusive but I don't think a perma TF that affects gameplay should be so restrictive.
 

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If you're into being a colossal meat wall, Leofric's god Tira(I think his is Tira?) will probably offer something along the lines of big fuck-off invulnerable flesh wall.

I don't think Tira will be getting a TF. It'd kinda break the game anyway in most ways. I think Nareva's gothmanders, which she totally didn't just paint the scales black when no one was looking guys c'mon, is the only other god TF planned. Velun has been tossed around but I haven't heard anything definitive. Though I wouldn't mind Tira making the champion a pale albino version of a human or other species like her.
 

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I don't think Tira will be getting a TF. It'd kinda break the game anyway in most ways. I think Nareva's gothmanders, which she totally didn't just paint the scales black when no one was looking guys c'mon, is the only other god TF planned. Velun has been tossed around but I haven't heard anything definitive. Though I wouldn't mind Tira making the champion a pale albino version of a human or other species like her.
I imagine Velun would get one for some reason or another, but Tira not getting one makes some sense. I'm pretty content with our current options regardless.
 

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I imagine Velun would get one for some reason or another
His chosen people are dryads, and tauric bodies are haram, so what will the scared TF be?
 

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I think something tree related was mentioned for Velun. So I guess like that green lady from Dragon Age Origins. The Lady of the Forest.

Lady_of_the_Forest.jpg

Notice the conviently placed branches preventing the game from becoming an adults only rated game. I do like her design though.
 

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Well I think femboys should be feminine enough to be an option imo.
The valkyries have already been described as an "all-female order". Pronouns, not body type, are the sticking point.

The Lumians do have military orders with just gentlemen, but you'd have to go to Yvennes to find the nearest one (Sanders' old outfit). As such, while it does get a mention or two, actually joining it is not in the scope of this game.
So he said but the valkyrie TF would forcibly give the PC tits and change their gender as it currently stands. I wouldn't mind If cosmetics only TFs like harpies and manticores were female exclusive but I don't think a perma TF that affects gameplay should be so restrictive.
There is no requirement for perma-TFs to have no restrictions. Quite the opposite. The perma-TF that currently exists is niche, too; most of the weeb foxo content is focused on player characters who have dicks, and if Kitsune Champ hasn't got one of those, there isn't really all that much to do. This isn't a problem; it's Tobs intentionally serving the niche he's chosen to carve out. The valkyrie TF services a different niche, but it is still a niche. While valkyries are relatively parts-agnostic - there are valkyries who do the breeding, and there are valkyries who get the breeding - if you want to be one, you have to be okay with going by lady pronouns. Instead of "weeb foxo", the niche fetish is "angel mommy".
 
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Yeah by all means I feel the perma TFs will apply to a specific niche at the end of the day, though I cant for the life of me fucking guess what gothmaners would be due to my only interactions being with 2 bare bones characters, not counting the mirrors because LOL thats a fucking rabbit hole. So I havent the foggiest what there sin is.
 

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I'd guess you can probably still just press the button in your appearance menu that sets your gender/pronouns to be male regardless of your face. Because that is a thing which you can do, regardless of femininity.
 

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The valkyries have already been described as an "all-female order". Pronouns, not body type, are the sticking point.
I assume that like with Keros' TF, Lumia won't turn us into a full fledged valkyrie so it could make sense for a faux-valkyrie to be male. Besides, the champion strikes me as the kind of person who doesn't give a fuck about rules and convention so the the idea of them being the sole male valkyrie would be totally in character.
Most of the weeb foxo content is focused on player characters who have dicks, and if Kitsune Champ hasn't got one of those, there isn't really all that much to do.
That may be the case but you can at least be a dickless kitsune if you so choose. It doesn't make any sense to me for the valkyrie TF to limit itself to females when it could easily fulfill both the "Angel Mommy" as well as the "Angel Twink" niche. I don't mind being locked out of valkyrie order content for being male but I'd like to at least have the choice to be that.
 
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I assume that like with Keros' TF, Lumia won't turn us into a full fledged valkyrie so it could make sense for a faux-valkyrie to be male. Besides, the champion strikes me as the kind of person who doesn't give a fuck about rules and convention so the the idea of them being the sole male valkyrie would be totally in character.
Well, I think there's a difference between the Kitsune and the Valkyrie, in that the Kitsune can get born, but the Valkyrie are only created through godly intervention. Similar to the Gothmanders, they only exist from the gods creating them. Also with the Kitsune tf we essentially turn into one, given the extended lifespan (only godly tfs can extend the Champ's lifespan), the only thing I know that's different is that we have a faux soul to trick demons rather than having no soul, and even so, I think we may still be connected to the communal soul (though I'm not certain), we just have a little extra.

So, you can't really say it's a faux-Valkyrie, when there are no natural Valkyries. The Valkyrie form is based on Boreal Elves, and we aren't one until we get transformed into a Valkyrie. Even if we take the Boreal Elf tf item, item tfs don't change your core, and your age does not extend with it. However, it will extend with the Valkyrie tf, to have a Boreal Elf lifespan (so you can now spend Etheryn's life with her, rather than dying halfway through from old age). So, I'd say calling a divine tf a "faux" form is off, as they're the only transformations that can fully transform you into that species, or at least enough to have a matching lifespan.
 

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"angel mommy".
Oh, is that going to be one of Ryn's future nicknames for Elena then? ;)

It doesn't make any sense to me for the valkyrie TF to limit itself to females when it could easily fulfill both the "Angel Mommy" as well as the "Angel Twink" niche.
Savarra and Mareth both do not have angels as any kind of independent thing. Valkyries are, by definition, feminine; it's how they are in the mythology they're based on (all-female, their closest male equivalent would be the Einherjar) and it's how the writers have chosen to depict them in CoC2 lore, with setting-appropriate tweaks.
but I'd like to at least have the choice to be that.
And you're not going to get it.
 
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Savarra and Mareth both do not have angels as any kind of independent thing. Valkyries are, by definition, feminine; it's how they are in the mythology they're based on (all-female, their closest male equivalent would be the Einherjar) and it's how the writers have chosen to depict them in CoC2 lore, with setting-appropriate tweaks.
Seems to me like the easy solution would be to make a male and female version like with the succubus and incubus. Just call the male version of the valkyrie the einherjar or nephilim or whatever that fits.
And you're not going to get it.
Yeesh I know that we people who like to see more male content are 2nd class citizens but there's no need to crush my hopes like that

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