Forced M2F & F2M events in TiTS ?
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Only one person in game gets forceably changed and even then they aren't gender swapped just feminised.
There is, the Dr. Badger event. It turns you to a furry herm I believe. Also isn't there something with Beth's brothel?
That's trappification, a.k.a making you a feminine boy, not MtF.
Even then, that isn't even a forced event in the slightest, nor is it randomly done, you completely consent to them doing it to you and are able to back out of it.
Fen&Co are very strict that you can always back out of a situation. It's written in one of the guides somewhere. Because you won't like it if it doesn't tickle your particular fetish.
I am not even sure if you'd call the dr. Badger a forced transformation. In game, it is consent, but in world it isn't really, or is it?
I am not even sure if you'd call the dr. Badger a forced transformation. In game, it is consent, but in world it isn't really, or is it?
All forced Tfing in the game is in the bad ends. This is by design.
Poe A and badger's hero thing are technically forced transformations, but you are warned about that before you interact with either.
As AHornyPanda said, you are warned before pretty much anything majorly transformative. Basically, the player has to consent to things, but Steele does not. So Poe A for example, Steele has no clue that these suits are going to be permanent major TFs with psychological effects on top of the physical ones, but the player is warned beforehand repeatedly. That's just part of the design of TiTS. It's a bitch and a half to get your
I would argue that Poe A is actually a completely forced TF as if you didn't read the patch notes for it when it was released, you would have no idea that would have to pick a TF, no matter what you do after you press its button in the flight menu.
It does tell you that attending has permanent consequences though.
Unless of course your fetish IS being forced... in which case.. I keep having to go to doctor badger. *sniffles*
Actually that's not what it says. It says "Things can get out of hand, with permanent consequences!". Note the word CAN, there, not will. There is no warning that bad shit IS going to happen and you're locked into it from the moment you make the decision to fly there. There's no warning that your character will be blindsided by simple actions like putting on a costume, which is ridiculous. You're supposed to be a smart, skilled, armed and equipped explorer, meaning you should be well capable of seeing danger coming and have the opportunity to make smart decisions to avoid trouble.
For example, the helmet option. With no indication that anything is wrong, completely sober and alert, your character suddenly becomes a bumbling moron that will play with an unidentified alien without even so much as checking it out or looking it up or even asking the woman who presumably knows about the thing if it's safe to touch. In fact you proceed through her yelling warnings at you! You're then turned into a bimbo and raped. For putting on a helmet! I quit and reloaded my game on the spot, I was not putting up with that and neither should anyone else. That's bad game design, period, punishing players for innocuous choices with no indication of anything wrong.
An appropriate way to handle it is to give the player the choice whether to touch the thing or not, not take control of the character and have them do it. You let them know the woman is yelling something at them, that they don't know what this thing is, and then give them a choice to approach it or back off. If they bumble forward despite the warning, that's on them. Forcing the player on that path by handing them the Idiot Ball is total bullshit.
Say, where do you see the warning for Poe A?
I was looking for it for some context to this discussion, but if I try to fly there I don't get a warning (and I'm now past the point of no return). I know you get a message of some sort when you unlock access to Poe A, but I can't find it amongst my Extranet Messages.
I'm pretty sure I read a warning about it at some point, but I don't remember where exactly.
I was looking for it for some context to this discussion, but if I try to fly there I don't get a warning (and I'm now past the point of no return). I know you get a message of some sort when you unlock access to Poe A, but I can't find it amongst my Extranet Messages.
I'm pretty sure I read a warning about it at some point, but I don't remember where exactly.
There's a thing called "implications" also wouldn't want to directly spoil things to the player.
It's in the E-mail that unlocks the flight option.
No, you aren't "supposed" to. Steele CAN be, but also equally likely can not as all the bad ends can likely happen throughout the game. You might as well be a bumbling idiot. Also you chances are Steele didn't get nearly enough to be an uber elite adventurer who would know how to deal with anything.
Except it wouldn't be a punishment at all if the scene in question was your fetish. Then it would be a reward.
But then you'd get shit from the forced TF (which are a staple of the genre) crowd. Also I think You might have missed the warning at the beginning of the game, the one in the main menu, warning you about encountering fetishes you aren't into.
Huh. I guess I must've accidentally deleted that email, because I can't see it in my list.
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Not an actual email, sadly. It's a scene that occurs, something like "your email bleeps, you've been invited".
I have Poe A unlocked.
Most of the emails that you can delete are spam/are there to be part of the setting but there are a few from named characters that you can delete, such as the emails from Celise and Kiro's invitation to the futa orgy.
Does anyone else here have the Poe A invitation in there email? That would be one way to answer that question.
In any case, I was going to say that I didn't think that the Poe A warning was accurate, but I wanted to check the warning myself to make sure what I was saying was correct. IIRC it says something like "things may get out of control", which I took to mean that some routes may have content where the player isn't in control. Its something that suggests that you should save first. But felt it was more of a "don't drink the punch, it's been spiked" kinda warning, not a "you should avoid the party entirely"-strength warning. Which is important, because once you arrive at Poe A you're going to get one transformation or another. And some potentially-unwanted sex scenes.
Still, I don't have the warning in front of me, so I could be wrong.
I never delete my emails, and I still can't find the Poe A mail.
So, yeah, it's probably just a scene, not a "proper" mail.
There's a difference between encountering a fetish and being forced to participate in it. And there's also a major difference between the character being forced into something and the player being forced. The character might not have a choice according to the rules of the scene, but the player should always have fair warning what they are about to put their character through and have the chance to opt out before it happens. And no, the "but the forced TF fans would bitch!" is not an excuse. Someone being into non-consent doesn't mean they get to rope other people into non-consensual things.
Here's an example: On the space station above Uveto, there's a collar with electronics you find and you can put it on if you want. It's pretty plain to anyone with a brain that if you put that thing on, you're going to be at someone's mercy and anything could happen. You, as the player, have the opportunity to see it coming and make a decision if that's the kind of scene you want to go through or not. That's how it should be. If it was handled like Poe A, you would be forced to pick it up and put it on just for stepping into that square with no warning or chance to make a different choice. That would be unacceptable, just like this forced stuff at Poe A is.
The Milk Bath scene has a chance to increase ball size. But then, the Vanae are right next to a tree that hands out a free "decrease size of body part" transformative.
Except you do have a choice, you can not pick it as a destination to travel after getting the email invite.
If it truly forced you, like you are suggesting, you'd get pulled into it the moment you read or even get the email.
The question is whether the player is informed enough to make a proper decision.
The warning (which isn't in the mail screenshot above, so it's probably just in the hover text for the planet) apparently says that things can have permanent consequences, suggesting in turn that there's also a way through without forced permanent changes. Such a way doesn't actually exist.
So yeah, either the warning should be more explicit, or there should be a "get out without TF" path.