Employee Exploitation
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Steele is also providing Room-and-Board, whatever that's worth for an AI (so long as Bess is on board, anyway).
Conclusion: While Room-and-Board reduces living costs, most crew members aren't getting paid by Steele (directly), to my knowledge. Some are earning money on the side. Many others could also be.
Ardia: Was a slave, not drawing a salary.
Amber: Was living in the wild, not drawing a salary.
Anno: Working for Steele Tech (or the Black Market).
Azra: 'Freelance Xenobiologist'. Not paid by Steele.
Celise: Was associated with Victor Steele, might be working for Steele Tech? Not paid by Captain Steele.
Eitan: Alpha of a Milodan village, probably doesn't need credits.
Kase: Either Steele bought out his contract (and not drawing a salary?), or he's working Steele Tech.
Kiro: May be independently wealthy because Space Pirate. If fully bimbofied by Po, she won't be competent to support herself, but not drawing a salary.
Mitzi: Lives indefinitely independently on Tavros, but who knows what she does for money. Beth's, maybe? May or may not be doing it while on your crew.
Nova: AI. Not paid.
Olympia: AI. Unwilling to/cannot leave the Sidewinder. Not paid.
Paige: Still teaches Yoga.
Penny: Presumably has some money from working on Mhen'ga and the Oxonium Deposit, but you don't pay her. If she becomes a cum-slut, explicitly cannot support herself (cannot kick off the ship). Not paid.
Pippa: Is a masusse, could conceivably continue while crew, but I don't think Steele pays her.
Ramis: One time 12K for a contract of indefinite length.
Reaha: Pays Steele back by selling milk. Could probably keep doing it.
Sera: If she's on your crew, she's a slave. Steele can have her become a merchant again.
Shekka: Still a merchant after joining. Could probably support herself that way.
Siegwulfe: Owned AI, probably not allowed to make money.
Varmint: Stowaway/Pet.
Yammi: Steele bought out her contract, but not drawing a salary? Certainly not from Steele's personal funds. Actually, where does she get the money to buy the ingredients for the food she makes Steele?
The Pexiga: Supported by Yammi.
Amber: Was living in the wild, not drawing a salary.
Anno: Working for Steele Tech (or the Black Market).
Azra: 'Freelance Xenobiologist'. Not paid by Steele.
Celise: Was associated with Victor Steele, might be working for Steele Tech? Not paid by Captain Steele.
Eitan: Alpha of a Milodan village, probably doesn't need credits.
Kase: Either Steele bought out his contract (and not drawing a salary?), or he's working Steele Tech.
Kiro: May be independently wealthy because Space Pirate. If fully bimbofied by Po, she won't be competent to support herself, but not drawing a salary.
Mitzi: Lives indefinitely independently on Tavros, but who knows what she does for money. Beth's, maybe? May or may not be doing it while on your crew.
Nova: AI. Not paid.
Olympia: AI. Unwilling to/cannot leave the Sidewinder. Not paid.
Paige: Still teaches Yoga.
Penny: Presumably has some money from working on Mhen'ga and the Oxonium Deposit, but you don't pay her. If she becomes a cum-slut, explicitly cannot support herself (cannot kick off the ship). Not paid.
Pippa: Is a masusse, could conceivably continue while crew, but I don't think Steele pays her.
Ramis: One time 12K for a contract of indefinite length.
Reaha: Pays Steele back by selling milk. Could probably keep doing it.
Sera: If she's on your crew, she's a slave. Steele can have her become a merchant again.
Shekka: Still a merchant after joining. Could probably support herself that way.
Siegwulfe: Owned AI, probably not allowed to make money.
Varmint: Stowaway/Pet.
Yammi: Steele bought out her contract, but not drawing a salary? Certainly not from Steele's personal funds. Actually, where does she get the money to buy the ingredients for the food she makes Steele?
The Pexiga: Supported by Yammi.
Conclusion: While Room-and-Board reduces living costs, most crew members aren't getting paid by Steele (directly), to my knowledge. Some are earning money on the side. Many others could also be.
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Clearly the wonderous experience of being on the Rush in the company of such a stellar personality is payment enough for any number of people.
A credits worth is slightly different from planet to planet. However, I thzink to remember to have done some math and based the worth on the one product available during most of the game from many different merchants in different economic situations: Mead
Let me just search for my findings, moment...
Let me just search for my findings, moment...
So, lets make a trip trough galactic econemy and compare some stuff.
Firstly, lets compare credits not to Dollar, but to Euro instead. Why? Because the Euro is a unified form of money used by countrys of diffrent economical standarts, standartly.
For example, If I, a german, go to Italy and buy a Pizza there, the Pizza will not cost more then in germany. Why? While the Pizza I buy at a tourist-spot is more expensive, it is only so by local standarts. My wage made in germany is more worth in italy, since the local prices are lower by same curency. Everyone who lived in Bavaria would understand. They often invade italy.
So, same curency but diffrent worth of the single unit depending on locale. That is enstablished.
Another thing that we can establish is the on thing most worlds hav in common and that gets not distorted by the need of makeing gear more expansive for steele.
Or to say it diffrent, what can b compared? What backs, if just for the sake of argument, the worth of a credit? Booze does. Alcohol sold at bars is our currently closest comaparison of prices, since from beginning to end, it is sold and its effect is compareable irrelevant of level or place.
The Credit is Mead-based, our economy runs on sex and alcohol. HUZZA!
ANON'S BAR AND BOARD
Drink (I fear this is not realy a bar) - 50 Credits
BURTS BADASS MEADHALL
Beer (quoted 'shitty') - 1 Credit
Mead (standart Drink) - 10 Credits
X-Zil (housemade, local specialty) - 50 Credits
THE MESS
Beer (Still bad) - 1 Credit
Quivering Quasar (What is to be expected to be drunk to get drunk) - 10 Credits
Sex on a Meteor (Partydrink) - 20 Credits
THE GOLDEN PEAK
Chitin Cracker (The local stuff) - 10 Credits
Ausar Chaser (Not the local stuff) - 15 Credits
Miniature Rahn (A sex drink, I take it?) - 25 Credits
Nyrean Knot (If you want to order a hangover) - 34 Credits
Queens Honey (Expensive Wine, basicly) - 100 Credits
Fire Pepper (sex drink special, may or may not drugged) - 120 Credits
THE HONEYPOT STALL
Honey (Eqivalent to Wine, drunken from a cup) - 50 Credits.
Honey (Same, but in a cup) - 50 Credits
Royal Honey (But bottled instead of the cup-sice you get at th regular bar) - 1000 Credits
ZENGSHI
Cantina not installed yet.
BUCKING BRONKO
Milk Stout (Beer, but less crappy) - 5 Credits
Leithan Milk (Treated, sexdrive enhancing, free from the tap if you would move out of the bar) - 8 Credits
Milktini (Exactly what it says on the tin) - 10 Credits
Varminbite Whiskey (Propably also gets exported) - 15 Credits
Raging Bull (Strong mix to get your Hangover) - 30 Credits
LIVING KEGS
Beer, Whiskey and Rum
25, 30 and 35 Credits respectivly, but I am sure you pay for the service and not the drink in this case...
THE FREEZER
Mead (the comeback) - 5 Credits
Psionic Blast (Tourist Drink) - 15 Credits
Frisky Dingo (Drink of choice for local Ausar, so lets say the standart) - 7 Credits
The Party Game (It includes four drinks, free if you can name them) - 30 Credits
KUI COUNTRY BAR AND LODGE
Vesperian Vapor (light alcohol, like most beers) - 10 Credits
Royal Red (light alcohol, like most beers) - 12 Credits
Pneumatic Pilsner (not light alcohol, still a beer) - 20 Credits
♥Doe-Eyed Draught (Cum on, technicaly, it is called a beer) - 6 Credits
♥Nutty Nookie (It is, surprise surprise, a beer. And sombody had to blast a nut for that one) - 7 Credits
♥Kui Creamer (Does not outright claim to be a beer! Bet you did now saw this cuming!) - 22 Credits
VENDINGMACHINE
PowerUp Potion (A Energydrink, tastes like one, too) - 5 Credits
No Tables where harmed.
So, what can we take with us from this?
Firstly, arround 10 Credits is the standart price for a drink in a bar, if you want to neigther go cheep or expensive.
Secondly, I have done my work, you can go on from there. I may want to remind that medical wonders are cheap, but changing a part is cheaper then replacing or creating,and early in ones live is easyer then late.
Gonna be frank here, I usually sell Bess for a quick buck, ever since JimT took off. (meaning support for her, and Embry dried up.)
Haaaahahaha no.
Credits are literally zimbabwebux with no value whatsoever; prices are entirely arbitrary and meaningless beyond how much they're meant to tax your resources at a given point in the game's progression.
Poo. I was hoping we could have a real economic porn game!~
Well, at least bigger is better when it comes to credits, plainly.
Yeah, the whole value thing about credits falls flat on its face when Steele is making money hand over fist by just exploring and selling things they've taken off the people they've fucked and fucked over. Honestly, how the whole system hasn't collapsed because of Steele flooding the market, I don't know.
As for Steele exploiting BessN? Is it really exploitation when in other situation, they would have been sold off or scrapped? Really, they should be on their knees, kissing your feet in thanks for the generous stipend you've given them.....you do have the sub-program active, right?
The credit has the worth of around a dollar, pound or euro in-universe, measured on the alcohol prices. However, Equipment is made in a curve for Steele to have late game more expensive, irrelevant of the sense it makes. And the other main money sink, transformatives.... Well, their prizes are the definition of abitrary. And regarding the main source of the Captains income... Well, people carry way to many unmarked chredit-sticks around, it is also a gameplay distortion, as far as I see.
My go to explanation is the same I use for most games where money is not used to upkeep anything: The Character has a strict grip on money and we just never geed to see their grocery bills and the bank account they pay with for them.
Do we exploit Bess/Ben with the 100 credits a week? Well, seeing how cheap theslave intured servant market starts (If one buys in late), I am guessing that 100 credits a week is not that bad, if one is technically not recognised as a person in the mayority of the galaxis.
My go to explanation is the same I use for most games where money is not used to upkeep anything: The Character has a strict grip on money and we just never geed to see their grocery bills and the bank account they pay with for them.
Do we exploit Bess/Ben with the 100 credits a week? Well, seeing how cheap the
Maybe after CoC2 I'll make Spice & Wolf: Now With More Waifus.
TheShepard256
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Bess doesn't need to buy... anything, really. She survives off electricity (which is much cheaper than food), Steele is the one buying all her clothes, she doesn't own anything that requires regular maintenance or has operating costs, and most of the rest of the crew don't pay for accommodation so it's reasonable to assume she doesn't have to, either. The 100 credits per week is probably just so she can afford recreational stuff (e.g. her book collection).
Other than a couple exceptions like Shekka and Paige, my ship is like a Volkswagen van filled with a bunch of hippy-dippy free-loaders burning bras and selling grilled cheese sandwiches, crystals and "Make Love Not War" stickers in the parking lot. Might as well name the damn thing "The Mystery Machine" and install a couple nitrous oxide tanks and grow lamps in the cargo bay. And you want me to pay them?? I've got four little words for my crew...
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She sells me crap and I sell her shit. Great. We might as well be trading baseball cards.Hey, Anno has a job.
J/K. I did say, "Other than a couple exceptions..."
We need Lava Lamps.
Cap. Steele: "Gonna stick it to the Man!"
Kase: "But Madam, aren't we...?"
Cap. Steele: "The other man!"
Cut to Uncle Maximilian Steele sneezing in a officeroom far far away.
So Spice & Wolf meets Interspecies Reviewers? Yeah I'd play that game.
Well you can buy her contract for 5000 credits and Steele paid 100 credits to use her at the Brothel, I'm going to guess not a lot.
Seriously though, Reaha was basically an indentured servant and working off a contract. Given she was addicted enough to mods to end up in some serious debt, it wouldn't have been an easy amount to work off. So at a minimum, I'd say her original contract was for 10000 credits, but more than likely higher.
Well, first of all, not all the money of a visit is counted against the debt. Like Yammi proved, it is more then possible that they charge for food, stay and in Reahas case, probably the very drugs that keep her docil and unable to wear clothing. Then, the contract was mentioned as 'nearly payed off', so any number under 25000 seems like a serious underestimate.
But the troublepoint of her is that nothing stops you from keeping her from being able to pay herself out. You can just keep her drugged up and for yourself.
Yammi would be our second view into the industry: Servants from childhood on, they are billed for expenses of their upbringing as a way to keep them from leaving. In turn, they are unusually well cared for, if for selfish reasons.
And then there is Del, who makes it pretty obvious how well accepted this 'slavery' is, and how the market for it works. Get a person into a contract trapped, break them to the degree that you need, sell them on a public market.
See they charge her like 500 credits a day for room & board and then a percentage of her take from each john for the brothel's cut, and then don't forget taxes and fees... I'm sure there's a whoring license Reaha needed that she has to pay off...
So probably like, negative money, or single-digit credits per day.
She was mentioned as nearly payed of, I think. So I assume she would have had to stay for maybe a few weeks at most at that point. So I do believe that she still did hit tripple digets daily. I would not be surprised if she got sold mainly because of the fallout that they knew would happen if she where anywhere near the brothel once she gets told she no longer has to follow their every whim. I mean, her version of 'speaking her mind' was lifting up her old boss by the colar of their shirt and restraining themself fron doing worse...
You're thinking a little too idealistically there.
Reaha says she had almost paid off her contract and debt. Keyword there being "almost". I really would not have been surprised if the brothel found some new ways to screw Reaha over in order to keep making more money from her.
"Oh yeah, Reaha, your Prostitute License has lapsed, but that's okay because we've paid that off for you, you just owe us another 1000 credits."
or
"Reaha, bad news, they've increased the tax for using the brothel, so to compensate, we're cutting the amount of credits people have to pay to use you."
Or any number of bullshit reasons. Reaha is making money for the brothel, so of course they're not going to let her leave just because she's paid the last 5000 credits on her contract. And they would have kept doing it until her spirit broke and acted like a good, quiet and obedient hooker.
I mean, they where very insistent on selling them away to free the room. The chain that brothel belongs to has decided that that particular Slave is not really worth it, so much so that selling them of is one of the first things they offer you. And breaking her spirit is something they failed at, having resorted to direct aphrodisiac injections to keep her from thinking straight. Reaha is much more strong of Will then Del in that regard.
I did talk about Yammi, who is the other Slave that we can buy out. The one where they actually go 'because of circumstances, we raise your goal to get out'. The difference to Reaha being that we give them the money to buy themself out instead of buying the contract.