Dhaal Dungeon Thread
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TheShepard256
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I heard on Discord that whichever CEO you meet in the party will be the same as the one you encounter in this dungeon. Which is a shame, 'cause I'd really like to take down Paragon. Then again, I also heard there might be a non-violent resolution, so....
(Non-backer here, in case it wasn't obvious, so I can't actually play the dungeon to find out.)
(Non-backer here, in case it wasn't obvious, so I can't actually play the dungeon to find out.)
I was wondering that myself. I thought maybe the spy would show up in the room later but no such luck. Actually I'm curious, has anyone has encountered them again in the facility if you pick the Stay Back or Believe Her options? It sure seems like they should show up later but if so I haven't figured out what triggers it.
I've only run the dungeon once so far on the Utopian Skies path and fought the Bright Water CEO.
I've only run the dungeon once so far on the Utopian Skies path and fought the Bright Water CEO.
Just got done playing through the dungeon multiple times. Thoughts:
It's mostly the same dungeon, which unfortunately kind of undermines the idea that Utopian Skies' CEO is a bit less of a jackass than the other two. I guess, in their cutthroat capitalist world, they'll have to be just as rotten to their own people to keep up or lose out...
That said, assuming all three dungeons are canon, I appreciate the glimpses each offers into the CEOs as characters. The Maven is, unfortunately since Utopian Skies is the path I'm keeping, probably the weakest of the three, but still makes for an effective villainess, and her boss-form from doping herself into a super-hydra was fun and had neat mechanics. (Also, I resent that on her path, I didn't get the chance to demand my kid back, unless I somehow missed something important.)
The Utopian Skies CEO was seemingly missing part of her intro, but while the fact that her company is still mistreating its workforce really hard undermines it, I appreciated that she was the most complex and nuanced in motives, in the "I sort of agree with your grievances but not your solution" sort of way. Her boss fight was alright, though since I'd sided with the guards that one time I'd already done something like it. Thank heavens I had a bunch of ero-grenades lying around after save-scumming my way to riches from Roo's blackjack table. Probably my favorite quest ending too, just because there's some nuance to it, even if the nature of the ending kind of negates the choice to rescue the CEO rather than torch everything.
The Fabricator Marshall was a kind of standard lust-proof boss fight, but I actually liked the glimpses it granted into her character, and how she might've come to believe the harsh ideals she clings to. I do wish my choice to not side with either her and Carver or the AI had been better-implemented though; maybe I'd appreciate it more if I'd seen all three possible outcomes there but as it stood it made the finale a bit bland. That said, it did at least make for a cool idea.
The dungeon as a whole was alright. I like the laser beam puzzles more than the light puzzles, as a rule, and this light puzzle was particularly harsh. Didn't even have a password for the computer inside the safe; still not sure where I was supposed to find that. That said, the laser puzzles were very fun. And I like the different possible outcomes regarding the crane and the thraggan mini-boss.
I also actually liked the Throbb scene with the femboy infiltrator; at least with my preferred personality it was surprisingly sweet and left me looking forward to seeing him again! (I originally did the one where they rub him off... turns out the reason I don't know what SPH is is because it's not something I'm into!)
The Hazmat Suits were pretty tough, but switching back to my trusty Vamp Blade made them manageable. Kind of wish I could take the Peers down a peg rather than just having them run off after beating their Dolls, but I guess it makes a kind of sense. Played as an engineer, or whatever the techie class is called; as always having a way to quickly refill on energy was nice.
Also, between my chosen route's ending and the email afterwards, I appreciate Jill softening a little and detoxing some. And her new bodyguard is pretty great!
Overall, much as I'd prefer my chosen route had a bit more at the end, or that the stuff others reveal about their characters get addressed in some kind of follow-up quest, I enjoyed it a lot!
It's mostly the same dungeon, which unfortunately kind of undermines the idea that Utopian Skies' CEO is a bit less of a jackass than the other two. I guess, in their cutthroat capitalist world, they'll have to be just as rotten to their own people to keep up or lose out...
That said, assuming all three dungeons are canon, I appreciate the glimpses each offers into the CEOs as characters. The Maven is, unfortunately since Utopian Skies is the path I'm keeping, probably the weakest of the three, but still makes for an effective villainess, and her boss-form from doping herself into a super-hydra was fun and had neat mechanics. (Also, I resent that on her path, I didn't get the chance to demand my kid back, unless I somehow missed something important.)
The Utopian Skies CEO was seemingly missing part of her intro, but while the fact that her company is still mistreating its workforce really hard undermines it, I appreciated that she was the most complex and nuanced in motives, in the "I sort of agree with your grievances but not your solution" sort of way. Her boss fight was alright, though since I'd sided with the guards that one time I'd already done something like it. Thank heavens I had a bunch of ero-grenades lying around after save-scumming my way to riches from Roo's blackjack table. Probably my favorite quest ending too, just because there's some nuance to it, even if the nature of the ending kind of negates the choice to rescue the CEO rather than torch everything.
The Fabricator Marshall was a kind of standard lust-proof boss fight, but I actually liked the glimpses it granted into her character, and how she might've come to believe the harsh ideals she clings to. I do wish my choice to not side with either her and Carver or the AI had been better-implemented though; maybe I'd appreciate it more if I'd seen all three possible outcomes there but as it stood it made the finale a bit bland. That said, it did at least make for a cool idea.
The dungeon as a whole was alright. I like the laser beam puzzles more than the light puzzles, as a rule, and this light puzzle was particularly harsh. Didn't even have a password for the computer inside the safe; still not sure where I was supposed to find that. That said, the laser puzzles were very fun. And I like the different possible outcomes regarding the crane and the thraggan mini-boss.
I also actually liked the Throbb scene with the femboy infiltrator; at least with my preferred personality it was surprisingly sweet and left me looking forward to seeing him again! (I originally did the one where they rub him off... turns out the reason I don't know what SPH is is because it's not something I'm into!)
The Hazmat Suits were pretty tough, but switching back to my trusty Vamp Blade made them manageable. Kind of wish I could take the Peers down a peg rather than just having them run off after beating their Dolls, but I guess it makes a kind of sense. Played as an engineer, or whatever the techie class is called; as always having a way to quickly refill on energy was nice.
Also, between my chosen route's ending and the email afterwards, I appreciate Jill softening a little and detoxing some. And her new bodyguard is pretty great!
Overall, much as I'd prefer my chosen route had a bit more at the end, or that the stuff others reveal about their characters get addressed in some kind of follow-up quest, I enjoyed it a lot!
Wait Carver is part of the dungeon? Damn how did her miss her.. I personally would like more Carver content.
She's only part of the final boss fight if you sided with Brightwater.
Also I used the blow torch to open the safe, but it didn't seem to acknowledge that the safe had been looted and just looped back into opening the safe infinitely.
No.
If you side with Utopian Skies, you fight one boss with three minions that have separate hitpoints, plus five extra health bars she uses up whenever her health gets low or her lust high.
If you side with Bright Water, you fight... well, actually, you have a choice of whether to side with the Fabricator Marshal and Beth Carver or the AI that's taken over the facility, and I legitimately don't know what happens if you side with the AI. I told both to buzz off, and had to fight the Marshal twice, once on her own health bar, once with a second health bar as the AI took her over and threw out buffs while immune to actual attack.
If you side with Paragon, that's the horde of clones, not unlike the fight if you side with the guards outside and have to chew through protestors to get to the ringleader. Didn't give me that much trouble, but I had a fair few Ero-grenades.
Oh I did the Brighwater boss, I'm going have to do another playthrough again. Thanks
Where do you get this blow torch? I've mostly been keeping to the flash version of Trials so I don't know where to find it or the Entropy Gremlin.
1. 24 hours after the party, Feruze will ambush you when you take the Taxi.
2. If you're a Backer, Feruze will send you an e-mail 'several days later'.
It should become Public around the 18th.
There's a mathematical way to solve every lights out puzzle 100%.
Look at the "Chase the Lights" method written here.
Just input the grid into a Lights Out Solver and be done with those tedious things. On this solver, 1 is used to designate the way you have to solve the puzzle. If a puzzle needs all spaces lit, then type 1 into those spaces on the solver.
I use this one. https://www.dcode.fr/lights-out-solver
This has a more detailed explanation of the maths behind it, in case someone happens to be interested in it:
Lights Out Puzzle -- from Wolfram MathWorld
A one-person game played on a rectangular lattice of lamps which can be turned on and off. A move consists of flipping a "switch" inside one of the squares, thereby toggling the on/off state of this and all four vertically and horizontally adjacent squares. Starting from a randomly chosen light...
mathworld.wolfram.com
Just got done with this siding with Paragon so got the army of galos, silly easy if you have the pollen veil special from plant mods.
Speaking of siding with a side, would be nice if there were holo-vids or something in game that allowed us to at least see what the other routes were like. I'm sure the devs worked hard writing routes for every boss and it's a shame that we only get to see one of them (assuming you don't have a save pre-Dhaal party).
I don't know how much of the dungeons you didn't do is 'canon'.
Differences:
Boss & Item at the Probe
Safe starting configuration
Some flavor text (didn't read every tile, so I'm not sure what percent)
Otherwise, they're the same. You can exchange the dungeon reward for any of the others (once) in Gobtown.
I found that the Safe has 170K if you solve the puzzle, 85K if you use the Plasma Torch. Not that money means much of anything at this point.
Both Paragon and Utopian Skies CEOs have been replaced.
Differences:
Boss & Item at the Probe
Safe starting configuration
Some flavor text (didn't read every tile, so I'm not sure what percent)
Otherwise, they're the same. You can exchange the dungeon reward for any of the others (once) in Gobtown.
I found that the Safe has 170K if you solve the puzzle, 85K if you use the Plasma Torch. Not that money means much of anything at this point.
The easiest way to solve a Lights Out puzzle is to use a technique called 'Chasing the Lights'. Starting on the 2nd row, click any space that has a light above it. When the only lights are on the bottom row, you turn on certain spaces in the top row and Chase the Lights again. There are tables that will show you which lights to turn on. The most common grids seem to be 5x5 and 9x9, but the Safe is 6x6. I did find a table for it, shown below, but the short version is
Bright Water: 4
Paragon: 1, 3, 5, 6
Utopian Skies: 2, 5
Bright Water: 4
Paragon: 1, 3, 5, 6
Utopian Skies: 2, 5
|--------------------+---------------------|
| Left on bottom row | Push on top row |
|--------------------+---------------------|
| 1 | 1, 3 |
| 2 | 4 |
| 3 | 1, 5 |
| 4 | 2, 6 |
| 5 | 3 |
| 6 | 4, 6 |
|--------------------+---------------------|
| Left on bottom row | Push on top row |
|--------------------+---------------------|
| 1 | 1, 3 |
| 2 | 4 |
| 3 | 1, 5 |
| 4 | 2, 6 |
| 5 | 3 |
| 6 | 4, 6 |
|--------------------+---------------------|