AMP, the spiritual AI. Gauging interest.

Alexa

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Haven't you done the Ice Queen encounter and looked in Zaalt's suitcase he is bringing with himself.

You should definitely contact Savin for this.


I've been waiting for the smutlords to answer for a while now. I'll probably just shoot them a message. If the STC/JYC partnership seems unlikely then I can change it to be more lore friendly. I looked into KihaCorp but I'm still teetering on the edge. KHC hasn't really put out any AI-D.
 

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I've been waiting for the smutlords to answer for a while now. I'll probably just shoot them a message. If the STC/JYC partnership seems unlikely then I can change it to be more lore friendly. I looked into KihaCorp but I'm still teetering on the edge. KHC hasn't really put out any AI-D.

Just FYI, grown A.I.s would still be just as able and (un)limited as A.I.-Ds., though a bit more personable. As seen with A.I. from Watson (the A.I. from KaraQuest2) and Athena (the A.I. Kaede acquired) to Valeria (Saendra's A.I. buddy).
 

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Just FYI, grown A.I.s would still be just as able and (un)limited as A.I.-Ds., though a bit more personable. As seen with A.I. from Watson (the A.I. from KaraQuest2) and Athena (the A.I. Kaede acquired) to Valeria (Saendra's A.I. buddy).

It's a personal decision as well, I was just trying to defend it with some logic. I felt like an AI-D would be better set to travel that path of spiritual enlightenment if it didn't have the same laws that protected AI-G's and the same treatment that they got. I also feel the only reason AI-G's are used is because they are communicable, if for no other reason. They're based off organic minds, so you probably see the correlation. I didn't want a VI, though, because then it'd be impossible for the character to grow, which I find personally satisfying.
 

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It's a personal decision as well, I was just trying to defend it with some logic. I felt like an AI-D would be better set to travel that path of spiritual enlightenment if it didn't have the same laws that protected AI-G's and the same treatment that they got. I also feel the only reason AI-G's are used is because they are communicable, if for no other reason. They're based off organic minds, so you probably see the correlation. I didn't want a VI, though, because then it'd be impossible for the character to grow, which I find personally satisfying.
And exactly why would it be so impossible for an AI-G to set itself to a path of spiritual enlightenment?
 

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And exactly why would it be so impossible for an AI-G to set itself to a path of spiritual enlightenment?
Not impossible, less probable. There's less adversity to face and overcome when you've got laws protecting you. For example, being raped by barbarians on Uveto. I felt a designed AI would feel that force more powerfully than a grown AI and could better set an example in some future content I was brainstorming.

There also isn't a lot of designed AI out there, and it personally makes sense to use one for this application, where communication is less of an imperative. It also feels more significant storywise for this alien machine to overcome these issues rather than a simulated organic mind. It's why I felt so strongly for Bess during the Date option. I cried.
 

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There also isn't a lot of designed AI out there, and it personally makes sense to use one for this application, where communication is less of an imperative.
I suppose for this reason... maybe... I guess...

Though, if you remember Gianna, she is also plagued by questions of self-discovery even though she is an AI-G and is rather starved for conversation since the preferred method of communication on New Texas is sex.

For example, being raped by barbarians on Uveto. I felt a designed AI would feel that force more powerfully than a grown AI and could better set an example in some future content I was brainstorming.
Also A.I.s are expensive regardless if they are grown or designed. So why would a mining company set up one of their most expensive assets with defense systems insufficient enough to protect it from local barbarians?
 

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So why would a mining company set up one of their most expensive assets with defense systems insufficient enough to protect it from local barbarians?
Here we hit the porn logic answer again. We can just pass it off as "it's sexier that way". Because honestly I wouldn't have a character if I actually had these logical issues to deal with. If STC really wanted to they could get something commissioned from Pyrite with a shitty VI chip and call it a day. Though I do like the C&C idea.

Why are nearly all the vendors on Tavros basically naked, despite laws? Porn logic.

Also we can use the "humanoid form has the most utility" answer here, described earlier.

Though, if you remember Gianna, she is also plagued by questions of self-discovery even though she is an AI-G and is rather starved for conversation since the preferred method of communication on New Texas is sex.

This still boils down to personal preference to me. I could layer it with excuses about how a grown AI wouldn't be fitting for a task requiring a lot of alone time, but it's really just preference. Hand So could have been a grown AI. So could Bess.
 

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Good, I want everyone to be reminded of no Hand So erry day.
 

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Here we hit the porn logic answer again. We can just pass it off as "it's sexier that way". Because honestly I wouldn't have a character if I actually had these logical issues to deal with.
Which is what I was afraid of. There is only so far you can stretch the suspension of disbelief untill it turns to an "idiot ball"....
 

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Which is what I was afraid of. There is only so far you can stretch the suspension of disbelief untill it turns to an "idiot ball"....
Okay, so do you think someone would find it sexy (and believable in the context of this game) that this bot was keeping the locals under control by fucking them? Sounds like a certain Penny scene....
 

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Okay, so do you think someone would find it sexy (and believable in the context of this game) that this bot was keeping the locals under control by fucking them?
Yes, if that was the purpose for which she was designated to, not if she was there to oversee mining drones with a sloppy defense system around her.

Here's an idea! She could be part of the biotech branch of Steele Tech which is stationed on Uveto and her role is to collect samples.

Sounds like a certain Penny scene....

Though, Penny herself doesn't resort to taking care of the problem that way and it's on the PC to choose that option...
 

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Here's an idea! She could be part of the biotech branch of Steele Tech which is stationed on Uveto and her role is to collect samples.
I really like this idea because it takes full advantage of the human women are irresistible target for any species angle and because it will justify using a modified version of MAIA prototype AI. But the implications are too damn dark for my liking. It will be a robo Steph Irson with which we will have even more personal interactions.

As an alternative, she can be a part of an illegal mining operation the organizers of which just chose to do a quick&dirty reprogramming of a cheapest AI(or full AI-equipped robot) they could get their hands on quickly.
 

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because it will justify using a modified version of MAIA prototype AI.
Why? The sexbots on Markus could probably do the same. I thought the point of a more advanced AI was to have more emotional depth.

As an alternative, she can be a part of an illegal mining operation the organizers of which just chose to do a quick&dirty reprogramming of a cheapest AI(or full AI-equipped robot) they could get their hands on quickly.

I rather like this, it fits the bill. MAIA bots got dumped but I'm not sure I want to do a literal replica of Bess. Maybe a different model, at least.


Check out the new idea doc, for those of you who haven't read the OP in a while. Don't delete anything you didn't write. Feel free to comment or add on.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pZ1xbCoPGfDrfs7wtLA49tko9OyKYzCueuS-Y7ntGI8/edit?usp=drive_web
 

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Why? The sexbots on Markus could probably do the same. I thought the point of a more advanced AI was to have more emotional depth.
Because with some of the locals being sapient species, dealing with them might require emotional intelligence. Though that still doesn't go well with Steele Tech using a JoyCo AI-D over an AI-G since they are supposed to be well financed. Maybe a less well-off, smaller group of independent mod researchers?
Check out the new idea doc, for those of you who haven't read the OP in a while. Don't delete anything you didn't write. Feel free to comment or add on.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pZ1xbCoPGfDrfs7wtLA49tko9OyKYzCueuS-Y7ntGI8/edit?usp=drive_web
I can't recommend you make it Suggestions only strong enough. Even leaving aside all the potential malice, Google Docs often work like shit on mobile devices and less powerful PC's. Better not risk potential fuck ups having major consequences.
 
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Alexa

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Because with some of the locals being sapient species, dealing with them might require emotional intelligence. Though that still doesn't go well with Steele Tech using a JoyCo AI-D over a AI-G since they are supposed to be well financed. Maybe a less opwell-off, smaller group of independent mod researchers?

I can't recommend you make it Suggestions only strong enough. Even leaving aside all the potential malice, Google Docs often work like shit on mobile devices and less powerful PC's. Better not risk potential fuck ups having major consequences.


Changed it. If anything, though, AI-D costs more. There's no template like you get with AI-G. Hand So cost triple a nation's worth to make. I never really understood the rationale behind grown costing more.

Also SteeleTech need not waste money on needless emotional depth being included. I want empathy to be something AMP develops.
 
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Bump to anyone who subscribed, thinking of making a group chat for those who are interested in some more dynamic communication.
 

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I definitely support using KihaCorp tech over JoyCo, unless AMP was intended from the ground up to be a sexbot. It's also worth noting that in general AI-Gs are more advanced, and certainly preferable in any situation wherein the AI is expected to interact with organics frequently.

Okay, so do you think someone would find it sexy (and believable in the context of this game) that this bot was keeping the locals under control by fucking them?

Sexy, maybe. Believable, only if she was designed as a sexbot. It would be a serious stretch for, say, a security bot to decide that was the best course of action. A sexbot told to keep the locals as sated as possible, though... sure, why not.

Here's an idea! She could be part of the biotech branch of Steele Tech which is stationed on Uveto and her role is to collect samples.

If you want her to be banging locals all the time, that's certainly a good justification for it.
 

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May I get an invite?
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If you want her to be banging locals all the time, that's certainly a good justification for it.

I didn't necessarily want to do this, it was more or less a justification for using a humanoid form.

I'm kind of curious what the deal is with the push for AI-G is. Designed has been shown to be particularly adept at adaptation and can feel emotions and whatnot. I thought itd be interesting storywise for AMP to somehow develop those feelings through occasional interactions with organics, and then long amounts of time following that to ponder on the experience.
 

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I'm pushing for AI in general. #so2017
 

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Maybe it's still rarity of grown AI ingame Alexia. In a few decades real time we would have so many of them that when someone call: "new grown Ai" it will be like...ok whatever man.