That's why I don't take treatments....
And people are all nuts when I explain my "problem" and ask me why I don't get cirurgy/treatment...
Could someone explain to me the appeal of Male to Female TF for me?
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That's why I don't take treatments....
And people are all nuts when I explain my "problem" and ask me why I don't get cirurgy/treatment...
Yep, heteronormativity sucks a lot of fun out of TG porn. And I'm saying that as someone who doesn't really have anything against men transformed into women suddenly liking boys. I'm fine with that. I do enjoy that if it's written well. But what I really can't stand is when they at the same time loose all interest in girls and only care about dicks from then on, or alternatively supposedly still like girls but never ever sexually interact with one again for the entiretey of the remaining plot. This happens way too often for my liking. I mean come on... just give me some lesbian content already. It's just way to hard to find it in TG fiction.
I find that defining and labeling all of this stuff past a certain point is almost always more damaging that helpful. It doesn't make conversations about it any easier because everyone still needs to ask questions about what something means, preemptively answer such questions or some party in the conversation presumes an understanding. I definitely feel that there should be some form of definition of the basis of the conversation but that when we get into 30+ identifiers for sexual identification or genders or both, we're just masturbating to our individuality and differentiation. Often at the cost of the fabric that holds all of society together. If I had my way I'd say there's two genders clearly defined. Lets accept for a moment that there MIGHT be a third, even if there was there are still only 9 possible genders, presuming you can differentiate a male-female from a female-male in some clear way, and all of the extrapolations that go there-through. As far as what you identify AS, that topic gets more squirrely. I tend to think of it as a spectrum that goes from masculine to feminine, to simplify my thinking processes.. But, I often understand that it actually a three or possibly four directional spectrum upon which any individual might be plotted as a positional marker. One might use the color wheel as an example of a three directional spectrum and the common mathematical plotting graph as an example of a four directional one.
That being said, I understand and commiserate with your feelings here. I understand the pain and isolation produced by not being able to find your tribe. Sexuality is an often constrained (morally or ethically) deep rooted part of human existence. Finding your gender, identity, and kink can ALL be very meaningful in finding said tribe. While the various tribes that have already identified themselves often want you to join them or define yourself as something that they have a clear relationship already, i.e.: another tribe. To chose neither of these is often a difficult but important path, as the bisexual/genderfluid/etc. tribes are and have been facing.
Anyways, I could go on for hours about this, and I doubt this is exactly the place for it. I, for one, love you for being whoever you are. I support you in your efforts to be whatever you are. I accept you however you bring yourself to the table. But I won't coddle you or let you define MY world
That being said, I understand and commiserate with your feelings here. I understand the pain and isolation produced by not being able to find your tribe. Sexuality is an often constrained (morally or ethically) deep rooted part of human existence. Finding your gender, identity, and kink can ALL be very meaningful in finding said tribe. While the various tribes that have already identified themselves often want you to join them or define yourself as something that they have a clear relationship already, i.e.: another tribe. To chose neither of these is often a difficult but important path, as the bisexual/genderfluid/etc. tribes are and have been facing.
Anyways, I could go on for hours about this, and I doubt this is exactly the place for it. I, for one, love you for being whoever you are. I support you in your efforts to be whatever you are. I accept you however you bring yourself to the table. But I won't coddle you or let you define MY world
A lot of things won't make sense if you try to approach them in terms of "does this appeal to straight guys or gay women or what" - those ways of defining sexuality are super narrow and leave out so much that trying to find out where kinks that are beyond their scope fit is like asking where the meat fits into the produce section.
Gender bending has lots of fun angles to take. Guys tend to like MtF transformations because feminine appearances in general are very appealing to a wide array of people and guys, just in general, love dicks. No matter the culture guys are always fetishizing their boners and consciously or subconsciously associating them with dang near everything. Losing it provides something of a fearful thrill but then the focus for a lot of the content is on discovering a new way to appreciate both dicks and the feminine form - by not having one and having one respectively. Then there's a perverse thrill in a boy learning about all those feminine types of things that they had no clue about up to and including having sex with guys as a girl.
Or it can go in another direction entirely and they can find a new way to express their fixation on femininity by exploring girl-on-girl interactions. That's a whole new bed of sensations that's made more exciting by the fact that they're not only being experienced for the first time but are also much different from what the character is used to. With both of these the core of the appeal is exploring femininity from an outsider's perspective, using it as a role reversal, and seeing some of the classically appealing things about it from a new angle. One of the first scenes in most MtF gender bending stuff is discovering what it's like to actually -have- boobs (well, in a way that appeals to what they like about boobs, anyway - it IS fantasy), for example.
There's another tone to take with it, too, one that Glassboy brought up: it can also be part of an emasculation fantasy where the focus is more on how the character failed as a man in some perceived way and them becoming a woman is entirely about them being dicked till their masculinity fades away and is replaced with this very fetishy, very exaggerated idea of femininity as the absence of masculinity. Really they're not being made into a woman so much as being made into a bitch. With all of that the appeal really is more about escaping masculinity or punishing someone by stealing their masculinity than exploring any real sense of femininity.
I really don't like that angle, either, but I get it. There are lots of fetish variations that dip into negative sexuality like that. Still, I have to agree that it's p. darn annoying to so often see that with feminine guy content. Gender bending has a higher chance of focusing on the novelty of the experience or what the character likes or learns to like about femininity. And while I do like gender bending I like trap stuff more and in seeking that out you'll inevitably find a ton of emasculation/forced feminization/sissy content which, while related, really does have a much different tone, focus, and appeal even when using the same pieces.
Good boy trap content runs along many of the same lines as the novelty/exploring a new world gender bending stuff but also tends to include the character discovering new things about themself and evolving how they express themselves, often ending with them being more comfortable with who they are than they were before. So less of a "femininity is a punishment for failing as a man" overtone and more "men can explore their femininity/attraction to feminine things and even embrace these as a part of who they are without having to be belittled or invalidated as a guy" - in other words the cool and unique appeal of traps, even the other way around with girls exploring masculinity, is that it doesn't treat the two states of boy and girl as mutually exclusive. With traps boys can be girls and girls can be boys without their status as a boy or girl being taken from them.
Of course that can include plenty of dickings and also having sex with a girl "as a girl" -and- topping a boy "as a girl", all of which are oh-so-spice.
Gender bending has lots of fun angles to take. Guys tend to like MtF transformations because feminine appearances in general are very appealing to a wide array of people and guys, just in general, love dicks. No matter the culture guys are always fetishizing their boners and consciously or subconsciously associating them with dang near everything. Losing it provides something of a fearful thrill but then the focus for a lot of the content is on discovering a new way to appreciate both dicks and the feminine form - by not having one and having one respectively. Then there's a perverse thrill in a boy learning about all those feminine types of things that they had no clue about up to and including having sex with guys as a girl.
Or it can go in another direction entirely and they can find a new way to express their fixation on femininity by exploring girl-on-girl interactions. That's a whole new bed of sensations that's made more exciting by the fact that they're not only being experienced for the first time but are also much different from what the character is used to. With both of these the core of the appeal is exploring femininity from an outsider's perspective, using it as a role reversal, and seeing some of the classically appealing things about it from a new angle. One of the first scenes in most MtF gender bending stuff is discovering what it's like to actually -have- boobs (well, in a way that appeals to what they like about boobs, anyway - it IS fantasy), for example.
There's another tone to take with it, too, one that Glassboy brought up: it can also be part of an emasculation fantasy where the focus is more on how the character failed as a man in some perceived way and them becoming a woman is entirely about them being dicked till their masculinity fades away and is replaced with this very fetishy, very exaggerated idea of femininity as the absence of masculinity. Really they're not being made into a woman so much as being made into a bitch. With all of that the appeal really is more about escaping masculinity or punishing someone by stealing their masculinity than exploring any real sense of femininity.
I really don't like that angle, either, but I get it. There are lots of fetish variations that dip into negative sexuality like that. Still, I have to agree that it's p. darn annoying to so often see that with feminine guy content. Gender bending has a higher chance of focusing on the novelty of the experience or what the character likes or learns to like about femininity. And while I do like gender bending I like trap stuff more and in seeking that out you'll inevitably find a ton of emasculation/forced feminization/sissy content which, while related, really does have a much different tone, focus, and appeal even when using the same pieces.
Good boy trap content runs along many of the same lines as the novelty/exploring a new world gender bending stuff but also tends to include the character discovering new things about themself and evolving how they express themselves, often ending with them being more comfortable with who they are than they were before. So less of a "femininity is a punishment for failing as a man" overtone and more "men can explore their femininity/attraction to feminine things and even embrace these as a part of who they are without having to be belittled or invalidated as a guy" - in other words the cool and unique appeal of traps, even the other way around with girls exploring masculinity, is that it doesn't treat the two states of boy and girl as mutually exclusive. With traps boys can be girls and girls can be boys without their status as a boy or girl being taken from them.
Of course that can include plenty of dickings and also having sex with a girl "as a girl" -and- topping a boy "as a girl", all of which are oh-so-spice.
I find that defining and labeling all of this stuff past a certain point is almost always more damaging that helpful. It doesn't make conversations about it any easier because everyone still needs to ask questions about what something means, preemptively answer such questions or some party in the conversation presumes an understanding. I definitely feel that there should be some form of definition of the basis of the conversation but that when we get into 30+ identifiers for sexual identification or genders or both, we're just masturbating to our individuality and differentiation. Often at the cost of the fabric that holds all of society together. If I had my way I'd say there's two genders clearly defined. Lets accept for a moment that there MIGHT be a third, even if there was there are still only 9 possible genders, presuming you can differentiate a male-female from a female-male in some clear way, and all of the extrapolations that go there-through. As far as what you identify AS, that topic gets more squirrely. I tend to think of it as a spectrum that goes from masculine to feminine, to simplify my thinking processes.. But, I often understand that it actually a three or possibly four directional spectrum upon which any individual might be plotted as a positional marker. One might use the color wheel as an example of a three directional spectrum and the common mathematical plotting graph as an example of a four directional one.
That being said, I understand and commiserate with your feelings here. I understand the pain and isolation produced by not being able to find your tribe. Sexuality is an often constrained (morally or ethically) deep rooted part of human existence. Finding your gender, identity, and kink can ALL be very meaningful in finding said tribe. While the various tribes that have already identified themselves often want you to join them or define yourself as something that they have a clear relationship already, i.e.: another tribe. To chose neither of these is often a difficult but important path, as the bisexual/genderfluid/etc. tribes are and have been facing.
Anyways, I could go on for hours about this, and I doubt this is exactly the place for it. I, for one, love you for being whoever you are. I support you in your efforts to be whatever you are. I accept you however you bring yourself to the table. But I won't coddle you or let you define MY world
I like both points.
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I agree with this point. (although I'm not sure what you mean by the "so up until the dongle becomes a lady pocket"). MtFem or MtHerm is definitely something I enjoy reading about and occasionally thinking about it happening to myself.
I don't consider myself in the wrong sex though. I'm not really a fan though of the newly transformed girl becoming a nympho though TSF Monogatari by ShindoL for example I dislike, but thorougly enjoy Dulce Report by Beyond Moon
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