New Content Talk! [0.8.23]

Savin

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Cause that could mean addressing Calla would mean also having to acknowledge the ending of CoC1
I will definitely be trying not to do that.

We originally wanted there to be a save import system from CoC1 to CoC2, the death of Flash and CoC1 basically becoming vaporware for a buncha years pretty well torpedo'd that. As such we'll just be doing our level best to make sure we don't contradict any of CoC1's endings -- luckily none of them are instantaneous world-changing events, so whatever happens to Calla can probably just happen.


(Also FWIW I am reading this thread and absorbing criticism.)
 

Lostname475

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Is there another support unit available for the mass combat that I've missed or is it just the royal auxilia?
 

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(Also FWIW I am reading this thread and absorbing criticism.)
the actual creator is levelheaded, and some of you are being, once again, waaay to overprotective over the writing, and i wont be saying names, but being a writer yourself doesnt mean you are somehow a judge on what is and isnt goood criticism, coming from another writer tf
 

Lostname475

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Corrupted Centaurs.
Damn so we only get 1 unit of mages if we aren't evil. Any chance we can borrow a few druids off the elves? Given that hethia who iirc is midranking is able to effectively equal multiple lupines with axes I feel like even a unit of 40 or so druids could do a lot of work
 

orropo

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Damn so we only get 1 unit of mages if we aren't evil. Any chance we can borrow a few druids off the elves? Given that hethia who iirc is midranking is able to effectively equal multiple lupines with axes I feel like even a unit of 40 or so druids could do a lot of work
maybe alraune and her lot can be mages? theyre, like plant magic
 
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the actual creator is levelheaded, and some of you are being, once again, waaay to overprotective over the writing, and i wont be saying names, but being a writer yourself doesnt mean you are somehow a judge on what is and isnt goood criticism, coming from another writer tf

Word of Advice, don't assume someone's motivations. When I made my original post to Kingu2, I was answering their questions in a way that I made sense of it. I wasn't defending Savin and the CoC II writing team; I was explaining what I thought about the New Content and why it made sense to me. I wasn't trying to coverup contradictions and plotholes; I was explaining why I didn't think the points they brought up were plotholes or contradictions.

For the record, I don't think CoC II's writing is flawless. Quin, who as an ex-cultist, should be the most interesting character but is just a mess of a backstory and so unfocused as to be a non entity. If people like Quin as he is now, that's fine. They are entitled to their opinion.

For right now -- there'll be a unit recruitable from Tychris once that's in (which is soon, we just hit minimum viable product this week).

Awesome! Looking forward to it. Btw, what is the status of the new wand in the dungeon?
 

Kingu2

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Kass stopping Calise from going on a massive slaughter rampage that disrupts her operations
So how many demons do you think Calise killed and how did she kill them. mind you the first things she encountered on her way to KM were imps and the first imps were birthed by Kas long after we woke up, and Exactly what "operations" was she disrupting.

Oh, and the cultist enemies you brought up? If you interrogate or lose to them, they explicitly say that they're on orders from Kasyrra herself to fight you, humiliate you a little if you lose, and then leave. Not Tollus, Kasyrra. Said cultists are visibly all demons
So I suppose you think it was Kas who sent them to the Rift to harvest the Lurelings goo and spread it all over the place. do you also think Kas ordered them man the defences at Dracia and smuggle weapons to the imps at KM? What about the full battalions of demons that were at the final battle?

Wrong actually, here are some direct quotes from Kass herself on the matter:
You're first quote is from when you go her route and side with her against Calise so of course she counts it as a win her plan worked exactly like she wanted it to and the first part that you bolded only further proves my point about her needing him to fail so she can take over the cult.
I know those last two are from when he's hamming up her evil villain speech for Kelsaz, but she's not lying. She's already won. It doesn't matter what happens from that point on, her goal was to foil the siege and she did exactly that.
Of course she's lying here. do you know how fucking stupid she would sound if she had said something like "Curse you champion you foiled my plan, now I won't be able to take control the way I wanted. I'll get you for this next time" and then flew off like a crazed bat. She said you and Varena gave her what she wanted as a petty attempt to though suspicion onto you (which a certain someone will capitalize on to have you thrown in prison under certain conditions) because she is in fact mad at you for doing this.

She actually doesn't, because as mentioned in one of the above quotes, she explicitly told her followers that the siege was dumb and that she didn't want to get involved. Did she get involved anyway? Yeah. But everyone already knows that it was Tollus's idea, Tollus who gave all the orders, and thus Tollus who bears the L for failing even if Kass had her thumb in the pie a little.
If Kas told her followers not to do the siege why did they do it anyway? Do you think finding out that she was apart of the massive failure that took place, people will more or less faith in her? Do you think those who followed Tollus anyway are inclined to believe him when he says she's the reason his plans failed? Let's try putting this in perspective, you're one of many troops in a war. your lord tells the army not to siege a city. the Commander does it anyway because he's got the forces the resources and confident you can win and you are confident in him. Things start out going well until someone joins the enemy army and starts beating the shit out of your army and after it's been decimated he rips his helmet off to reveal it was the lord. What explanation would make you believe that the Commander was at fault here and not the lord.
"Yeah I foiled the siege on purpose because fuck Tollus, don't forget who's in charge here bitches."
Now that would be some shitty writing. If she actually did this and it didn't result in a full on revolt against her I could only label her a mary sue for such dogshit writing.
 

Lostname475

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I have a brick of new items going into the game, it'll probably get fixed as part that drop??
Is the new wand going to be better than the control rod? Because that's been best in slot since it was added iirc
 

Four Imps Zero Int

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I will definitely be trying not to do that.

We originally wanted there to be a save import system from CoC1 to CoC2, the death of Flash and CoC1 basically becoming vaporware for a buncha years pretty well torpedo'd that. As such we'll just be doing our level best to make sure we don't contradict any of CoC1's endings -- luckily none of them are instantaneous world-changing events, so whatever happens to Calla can probably just happen.


(Also FWIW I am reading this thread and absorbing criticism.)
Heh, I remember that feature, got me pretty excited at the time (was a sucker in how they did it in the DA series).

Though I hadn't thought about the fact that Calla might just get spat out somewhere else in Mareth and not in the fortress.
 

Savin

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Though I hadn't thought about the fact that Calla might just get spat out somewhere else in Mareth and not in the fortress.
I'm pretty sure Kas explicitly says she wasn't in the Fortress when she bailed.

Is the new wand going to be better than the control rod? Because that's been best in slot since it was added iirc
It's a Wand (off-hand) not a Rod (main-hand), so apples to oranges.
 

Lostname475

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I'm pretty sure Kas explicitly says she wasn't in the Fortress when she bailed.


It's a Wand (off-hand) not a Rod (main-hand), so apples to oranges.
Oh, I forgot wands are the offhand catalysts. Guess my control rod will be sticking around even longer
 

Punccline

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Kas being a mary sue? You're telling me this for the first time.



Jokes aside Mareth demons are just built with negative wisdom or something. Demon TF? Nah hubris TF.
I'm never gonna forgive her for eating shit in multiple fights during the dungeon as Calise but then turning around and WHOOPING me when I tried to backstab her to see what would happen. SO YOU JUST LET THESE MFS KILL ME IN THAT BAD END? YOU COULD'VE STEPPED IN THE WHOLE TIME? Maaaan.
 

orropo

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I'm never gonna forgive her for eating shit in multiple fights during the dungeon as Calise but then turning around and WHOOPING me when I tried to backstab her to see what would happen. SO YOU JUST LET THESE MFS KILL ME IN THAT BAD END? YOU COULD'VE STEPPED IN THE WHOLE TIME? Maaaan.
i think she got into the bit so much she forgor, a true method actor, disney would be proud
 

Four Imps Zero Int

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I'm pretty sure Kas explicitly says she wasn't in the Fortress when she bailed.
Huh, I thought it was that she hopped into the first portal Kas could when she notice the old champ approaching the fortress. But I will admit it has been a while since I have read the part where that was revealed.
 

Savin

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Huh, I thought it was that she hopped into the first portal Kas could when she notice the old champ approaching the fortress. But I will admit it has been a while since I have read the part where that was revealed.
I mean, there aren't just a bunch of portals sitting around inside the Doom Fortress.