My constructive criticism

freezerburn68

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So I've been really thinking for a moment, and I kinda decided that I want to get something off my chest. Mainly to the devs, writers, and content of CoC2. I also wanna discuss constructive criticism about CoC2. Imma be blunt. I also wanna say that the way

Point #1

Please focus on the story.

I've been playing this game since 2021, and haven't even seen an update for 'In her footsteps' in over 4-5 years, and i would think we'd be in the middle point right? Nope. Just stuck with pointless dlc that most of the time hit. I wanna ask if the writers can split work, but I kinda have a feeling they don't wanna do that. We only have act one of the main story, and I started playing since 2021. Let that sink.

Honestly in all respect Savin, I would like to play the main story, and not do side quests.

Point #2

More PC agency

We don't have a lot of player agency, and this is further backed up with The observer's writing, which many people complain about the kitsune walking all over players, and the players themselves being too submissive when they wanna be dominant. In the discord, I think I remember Savin (or someone) saying they were gonna make a system in the next game that'll change that, but I have my doubts. Mainly because CoC and TiTs remain unfinished. We really don't get to call out the kitsune, let alone the Seven. I feel like calling out the Seven for taking souls and doing little to nothing about Kassyra and her demonic invasion is honestly infuriating.

The one think I liked was punching the drunk kitsune onto his ass. Felt therapeutic, and like my own decision. Honestly, if we can get more of THAT in the quest/main story, I would love it. But I feel like I'm playing lewd deltarune most of the time because my choices apparently don't matter much.

To also clarify, I dont wanna fight the Seven, but call them out for consuming souls, and having a strained route.

Point #3

Unfuckable NPCs

I understand completely that some npc shouldn't be fuckable, but goddammit i want to fuck/dominate Gweyr, Garth be damned. A quest where you intentionally fail by corrupting an NPC would be nice. They're could be so much content that you guys can do with a darker or neutral path. The main one i gotta complain about is Kavi. Like bro, I wanna mating press her, or let her ride me, not be coddled (even though i kinda like it a bit). I also feel like some people gatekeep that type of content from characters, but I believe it defeats the main thing of CoC2. Which is to corrupt or be a goody two shoes. I kinda think Savin and the rest of the cast lost the plot for a bit.

Point #4

Marefolk and the lack of "Chicks without horsedicks"

Honestly this got me a bit heated. Because now I gotta be frigging wary and save before going in for the secks with a hot horse chick. Nine times outta ten, they are a futa. I dislike futa content (And no, I'm not dropping the game because I dont like one fetish. That'd be like me dropping Splatoon 3 cuz salmon run is a bitch to play. While the rest of the game is peak), and although I understand most like it, it's the fact when you do enter into a sex selection with them, you cannot exit some of them. The only way to is exiting the game and restarting it. And honestly it wouldn't be a problem if I could see the fat fucking bulge in their pants by their bust. Sure some are obvious, but Edessari & Wredi are the most annoying part that made me say "That makes LITTLE to no sense. I didn't fuckin know!" Cause they had no visible bulge. Honestly, contrary to popular belief, I want a new horse girl without a dick dawg. Also the horse cock stuff needs to be tone down a wee bit. Maybe here and there on a occasion, but slow it down.

Point #5

Lack of actual corruption

Why corrupt NPCs when 90 percent characters and NPCs are bunch of degenerates in this game? I'll say that the developers team maybe doesn't care about making main plot relevant anymore.

Point #6

No/Lack thereof storyboard

I feel as if we did have a storyboard (or they work on the ones they made) for the game, a bunch of these issues would be hypothetically solved.
 

Tarnakus

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My constructive criticism of your constructive criticism.
Point #1
Please focus on the story.
I could say the same to you ;)
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Jokes aside, Siege of Khor'minos is part of the main quest and was updated on June 10. In Her Footsteps isn't the only "main" quest.

Point #2 – Beaten-to-death topic.
If I remember correctly (and please, someone correct me if I'm wrong), The Observer wasn’t originally an official writer. He more or less made a trade: his content (hommage to another game) in exchange for writing what Savin wanted - which is why his influence is strong in the Kitsune arc.
That said, yeah, more player agency is always nice.

Point #3 - Sure, everyone has their own list here.

Point #4 - No strong opinion from me on this one.

Point #5 – Another dead horse.
Between the evolution of the internet, Patreon banning certain content, and what the writers are now comfortable with, the whole corruption mechanic basically fell apart. At this point, there's not much to be done about it.

Point #6 – Did you mean something like a roadmap?
From what I’ve heard, the team does have one - it’s just not public.
 

freezerburn68

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My constructive criticism of your constructive criticism.
Point #1

I could say the same to you ;)
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Jokes aside, Siege of Khor'minos is part of the main quest and was updated on June 10. In Her Footsteps isn't the only "main" quest.

Point #2 – Beaten-to-death topic.
If I remember correctly (and please, someone correct me if I'm wrong), The Observer wasn’t originally an official writer. He more or less made a trade: his content (hommage to another game) in exchange for writing what Savin wanted - which is why his influence is strong in the Kitsune arc.
That said, yeah, more player agency is always nice.

Point #3 - Sure, everyone has their own list here.

Point #4 - No strong opinion from me on this one.

Point #5 – Another dead horse.
Between the evolution of the internet, Patreon banning certain content, and what the writers are now comfortable with, the whole corruption mechanic basically fell apart. At this point, there's not much to be done about it.

Point #6 – Did you mean something like a roadmap?
From what I’ve heard, the team does have one - it’s just not public.
Eh fair points all round
 

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My constructive criticism of your constructive criticism.
Point #1

I could say the same to you ;)
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Jokes aside, Siege of Khor'minos is part of the main quest and was updated on June 10. In Her Footsteps isn't the only "main" quest.

Point #2 – Beaten-to-death topic.
If I remember correctly (and please, someone correct me if I'm wrong), The Observer wasn’t originally an official writer. He more or less made a trade: his content (hommage to another game) in exchange for writing what Savin wanted - which is why his influence is strong in the Kitsune arc.
That said, yeah, more player agency is always nice.

Point #3 - Sure, everyone has their own list here.

Point #4 - No strong opinion from me on this one.

Point #5 – Another dead horse.
Between the evolution of the internet, Patreon banning certain content, and what the writers are now comfortable with, the whole corruption mechanic basically fell apart. At this point, there's not much to be done about it.

Point #6 – Did you mean something like a roadmap?
From what I’ve heard, the team does have one - it’s just not public.
Could you go a little more into detail regarding your Point #5? Do you mean corruption is not going to be a thing in the game anymore?

I am just asking becasue I am one of those people who came to the game for the corruption aspect to it and stuck with it because, so far, even though it is not as fleshed out as I hoped when I first saw the game, I thought it was intended to keep featuring in future content.

Also, even though I am aware of the basic issue that the majority of players prefers pure playthroughs, which is why corrupt content took a back seat on devs priority list, I'm still not sure how exactly the devs thinkg about corruption (e.g. its role in the main plot, its tonality, its role in world buildig etc.).
I keep considering making a thread to ask about this, but every now and then I stumble upon casual remarks of the topic being a "dead horse" and, therefore, refrain from making a thread about something everybody but me seems to know about. So if you do know more, it would be great if you could share that knowledge.
 

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from my understanding it wont be tbe full extent of it, like necro and incest and all the very much taboo things
 

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from my understanding it wont be tbe full extent of it, like necro and incest and all the very much taboo things
Oh wait, that is what people consider to be corruption? That, especially necro, is far beyond of what I would have considered corruption.
 

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Could you go a little more into detail regarding your Point #5?
Patreon has a bunch of Don'ts that make it harder to write corruption content. You as the player cannot rape, mind control, or have incestious relations with another NPC. So when an NPC has a corrupt route, it is always done by another NPC like Zo getting raped by the centaurs or Ahmri by Tollus. As for necro, I think they were referring to Patreon having a big no to sex with corporeal undead, so no zombie, vampire, jiangshi sex for you!
The writers are another reason not to get your hopes up for corruption content, as the main writers don't like it. A prime example is the hive quest, where you get a companion and a bunch of content for doing the pure route but get almost nothing for doing the corrupt route.
The writers also love the npcs being promiscuous and open to fucking anything so if corruption meant being a ho to you then almost all the NPCs are that by default. Like with Livrea and her family, you can be in a romantic relationship with Livrea and have a child with her, but you can have a threesome with her mom and dad, and it'll be treated as completely normal in this setting.
I believe the only reason this game was called Corruption of Champions was because of the name recognition the first game had.
It's still a good game but you're going to starve if you're waiting for corruption content.
 

Tarnakus

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Could you go a little more into detail regarding your Point #5? Do you mean corruption is not going to be a thing in the game anymore?
Sure. But I need to establish some context first, as it seems I'm a little older and more experienced on the internet :p

Typically, I assume people critique CoC2 in comparison to CoC1, and to be clear, there, corruption was about non-consensual sexual intercourse, forced transformation, and enslavement (NPC -> PC and PC -> NPC). Incest was actually somewhere in the middle; with Harpies, it was not corruption, but with others, it was tied to corruption. Necro was not present (to my memory, there was like one ghost if you count it). Importantly, corruption would gatekeep you. For example, if you had too much corruption, you couldn't enter Tel'Adre (the main city, but only for the first entry; if you become a demon later, no issues), but there was a corrupted Bazaar that you could enter only with some minimum corruption.

Back then, the whole internet was a lot wilder. Just to give an example, on big porn sites, you could easily find non-consensual roleplay or clips from movies titled "rape scene from X" (I mean cinema movies here). The same was true for Patreon; wild games were present there.

So now we start with CoC2. The idea initially was to be similar to CoC1, with one exception: corruption would not gatekeep anything, as it did in CoC1. The developer's choice seemed okay at the time. Reduce scope creep and less anyoing to players - also writers seemed less keen to write it. Then, the internet became more and more sanitized, with Patreon starting to ban a lot, up to and including incest.

So here we are: corruption gives you a small flavor text and access to one scene. Beyond that, you can decide whether you want to be an asshole without corruption or a saint with it. At this point, corruption is just a vestigial mechanic.

PS. I was writing this response as someone else more or less answered - above is not changed.
I believe the only reason this game was called Corruption of Champions was because of the name recognition the first game had.
This is not true - there were many plans that went off the rails. Today, being an armchair general is easy. Albeit, a lot of people don't even notice that the developers started this as amateurs and learned on the job (and made mistakes as with corruption), and the game is free, so don't take game so personally, and give the devs some slack.
 
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This is not true - there were many plans that went off the rails. Today, being an armchair general is easy. Albeit, a lot of people don't even notice that the developers started this as amateurs and learned on the job (and made mistakes as with corruption), and the game is free, so don't take game so personally, and give the devs some slack.
When the lead writer designs three companions and decides not to give any of them a corrupt route, I think it's fair to say that their plans were off the rails from go and that corruption was never their main focus and that the title was borrowed to give a new company a jumpstart on their Patreon funding. I also don't believe calling them ameatuers is fair when the lead writer has been around since CoC1 and has written main story content for TiTS before making this game. Same goes for the other main writers since they all had proven track records for their writing and were given permission to write for the main quests and do companions. The only writer I'd consider a fresh face is Jstar and they've been solid on actually giving corrupt players some food.

Like I said, the game is still good and I'm still a fan, but if you're looking for a game focused on corruption, then the title is blatant false advertising and you should look elsewhere.