Your Gripes With CoC2

[Ace Hangman]

I'm not saying that. I'm saying it's not believable that she wouldn't be seeing her other kids as imps, even after she gets a soul back. Getting it back would kill interest in more kids, if anything. Make all the rational arguments you like, emotions don't work like that.

Possibly, but we can clearly see how she feels about Aileh and her other dragon 'daughters'. She looks genuinely distressed about their fate and Aileh considers her a mom even though she knows she can't understand love. Even though only a little Kasyrra's blood runs through them, she kept every single one alive and safe when her ruler wanted them all to fight to the death until there were only four left. And she genuinely seems happy if Champ is in a relationship with Aileh and even makes every effort to be good in order to visit her granddaughter. It's not hard to accept that she couldn't feel something other than loathing for a real child that wasn't an imp, which is just a creature of lust, a parody of life, and just a mockery and constant reminder of the opportunity she lost when her soul was stolen. (Ivaze excepted, of course).

 

[orropo]

girl bye- you are actually arguing about semantics of the story and character development in a PORN GAME, by your logic etheryn shouldnt act like she does as well, especially with sexuality, im done here

 

[Ishvala]

Not much point in arguing about what a character will do or how they should feel when that content isnt even released. When it is you can comment about what you like/dislike, until then you arguing over something that doesnt exist (This is targeted to lonely hydra, not you orropo)

 

[orropo]

thank you

 

[kiby]

As someone who would prefer to play pure female, this does disappoint me. Is there anything the size of Freja, let alone Kiyoko and Kinu, gated behind not having a dick?

Rina's dominant personality is gated behind not having a penis. That's about it.

 

[Abi3264]

Rina's dominant personality is gated behind not having a penis. That's about it.

And you gotta have Brienne instead of Brint, and you can't be a herm and have both genitals like with Kiyoko, or a ghost magical genital work around, pussy only. Honestly the more I think about it, the more I'm disappointed in the Rina content, I understand why it's the way it is, so much variables in an already big expansion, but she will always feel like a waste to me and it's sad because the character is very loveable.

 

[Karakara]

And also, as someone who did both Rina's Dom and sub content, it feels so lacking. Like non of it seemed developed -- especially the sub route with whole 2 scenes the last I remember. Same as Cassie. Honestly wish Wsan would have just focused on one or the other. I think that even if you combine all the lesbian content, it would still fail short of straight side of the content two times over from what I have dabbled in.

Really, the whole Brienne expirience for female/cboy playerbase feels so lacking. Like I get that she is straight men bait, but I really like her design (though her personality may be bit to much for me.)

Maybe in the future she will get more sapphic content. I hope so.

 

[NinjaTacos]

I am really disappointed by Brienne's lack of mutual lesbian sex scenes. I'm pretty sure all her non-cocked sex-menu scenes have only one partner getting off, unless the other is masturbating herself. In a world where Brint can hilt his two-foot cock in my 5'2" champ, surely Brienne could contort herself into something resembling a 69.

And as has been said before, I'd love to be able to buy Brienne a ghostlight, or a mundane strap-on.

 

[JustSomeDude]

I think my only issue with Rina is the same I get with Cassia: you can't marry them individually, you need Brienne. Now, don't get me wrong, I love Brienne, she's just peak cow-slut content, but not everyone wants that. Some people like Brint but want more monogamy and that's fine too. Other than that, it's very clear that the Minotaur family trio gets the most content if you have a penis and prefer P and V sex.

 

[BoshiiYosha]

Not a fan of being locked out of companions like Azyrran just because I prefer the corrupt ending.

 

[Savin]

Not a fan of being locked out of companions like Azyrran just because I prefer the corrupt ending.

Well good news, there's a fix for that in the pipe (it just removes the dead end Corrupt ending).

 

[Gothamson]

Well good news, there's a fix for that in the pipe (it just removes the dead end Corrupt ending).

Well thats all she wrote for pure Wasps in my score.

 

[Tide Hunter]

Well good news, there's a fix for that in the pipe (it just removes the dead end Corrupt ending).

Honestly it's probably for the best to just say "it doesn't exist" if it does nothing and leads to nowhere and locks out one of the core cast members, if nobody wants to write for it.

 

[Savin]

Honestly it's probably for the best to just say "it doesn't exist" if it does nothing and leads to nowhere and locks out one of the core cast members, if nobody wants to write for it.

Yeeeeep.

 

[leomax]

not enough goblins

 

[Snowfall]

Not a fan of being locked out of companions like Azyrran just because I prefer the corrupt ending.

After discovering her Bimbo set I thought for sure that that was what she'd join like if you chose to corrupt the hive and was very surprised that wasn't the case.

 

[Neemire]

I was making a Wyld Elf in the newest Steam CoCII, and I noticed "Rabbit Ears" is no longer an option for a Mark of Wyld. May I have the rabbit ears back, pretty please? I'm not gonna ask for one thing to be switched out for the rabbit ears, because someone else may like that other thing. Maybe add a second page with other Mark of Wyld.

Naturally, I'm just gonna pop my character into a save editor to slap some rabbit ears on for now

 

[lopbat]

I was making a Wyld Elf in the newest Steam CoCII, and I noticed "Rabbit Ears" is no longer an option for a Mark of Wyld. May I have the rabbit ears back, pretty please? I'm not gonna ask for one thing to be switched out for the rabbit ears, because someone else may like that other thing. Maybe add a second page with other Mark of Wyld.

Naturally, I'm just gonna pop my character into a save editor to slap some rabbit ears on for now

Was literally coming here to post the same thing. I rarely play CoC2 so finding out that was no longer an option was surprising, especially since there's a bunch more options for like everything else now.

 

[qwd]

As absurd as it sounds, I think the writers haven't dared exploring kinks as much as they thought they did. True, the characters' sexuality and gender and race are diverse but they just that, diverse characters, while sex scenes involving those characters are mostly just different positions, the difference between mating press and doggy style isn't that great when you come to think of it. Things like public sex, glory holes, BDSM, hypnotism, ...... are a bit more prominent on TITS's side but that game's characters are too shallow ( even for a porn game )
Meanwhile, COC2's characters have more depth ( at least the main companions ) but the writers haven't created enough kinky scenarios for them, like an average fantasy hentai has more substance than the entire content for some characters

 

[NinjaTacos]

Spoiler: Convocation of Mirrors spoilers

I hate the handwaving here, the idea that just seven gods were worshipped across a whole world prior to the Godswar - it's so unrealistic; a thousand thousand communities, cultures, micro-cultures spread across a whole planet, most isolated from one another for most of history, all trying to find their own ways to explain where they came from and how the universe works. In spite of the domination of big players like Christianity, Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism, there are thousands of religions on Earth today, not counting dead religions across the Americas, Africa, everywhere else. Before the big names spread, every tribe with a hill to stand on had its own gods.

I think it would be much more realistic/stronger storytelling to say there were thousands of local religions practiced and gods worshipped across the world prior to the Godswar, even if the spread of empires was raising certain names to dominance, and the Seven picked names and portfolios that interested them the most, mostly choosing from the bigger names so as to be more immediately recognised, but some prioritising the flavour, like Keros (picking the god of an isolated island nation as a wildcard); some acting on personal reasons, like Nareva; and some grabbing the biggest slice of influence they could, like Lumia usurping the identity of the head of the official religion of Belhar. Whilst some of the older gods are still believed in by small communities, most have been completely forgotten about (or rolled together - Lumia can claim to be all fertility deities, even if she uses/used different names with cultures outside of the empire's influence) since the Seven manifested and created a united religion which saved the world.

 

[Ace Hangman]

Spoiler: Convocation of Mirrors spoilers

I hate the handwaving here, the idea that just seven gods were worshipped across a whole world prior to the Godswar - it's so unrealistic; a thousand thousand communities, cultures, micro-cultures spread across a whole planet, most isolated from one another for most of history, all trying to find their own ways to explain where they came from and how the universe works. In spite of the domination of big players like Christianity, Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism, there are thousands of religions on Earth today, not counting dead religions across the Americas, Africa, everywhere else. Before the big names spread, every tribe with a hill to stand on had its own gods.

I don't think anyone is handwaving. They are called the Living Gods, so presumably there are others, likely because they have taken the most active role and are approachable to actual mortals. That and they play the most significant part in the story being told.

There's plenty of indication that there are other gods, beliefs, and probably deities. From the Old Trees and Wyld to forest goddesses depicted in a stone fountain in the Frostwood itself, it even still has a spark of divinity in it and can manifest to clear corruption (and bang Champ). The Seven are just the main, well-known, and established deities. Elder Scrolls has the Nine Divines (or the Eight and One, depending on your view of Talos), They could have made the 104 Divines. But do we need the writers making 15 more deities just to make the entire world match an arbitrary number that no one could really agree on? How many do you want? 15, 37?
No, because they've laid the groundwork and have shown that there aren't just Seven religions (or one, assuming you consider worship of The Seven as one religion). If the story calls for a Dionysus analogue to be the God of Wine, I don't doubt they'll add a spirit, demigod, or minor deity to do it.

When it's needed they mention it. Atugia's clan worshipped spirits or followed their own paths for generations or even longer. Anubians are believed to have derived from their god Aurera.

The anubian's patron deity is also supposedly their progenitor, a mysterious figure known as Aurera. Symbolized as an extremely tall hermaphrodite that looks to be like a cross between a lupine and a jackal, and always depicted with at least four humans who barely reach her hips. According to legend, all anubians are the descendents of this figure and her human harem-mates and worshippers.

I don't think the writers need to plot out thousands of possible entities; one that governs leaves and the one that watches over ducks and one who created turtles. If they do, they'll bring it in as the story calls for it. But I think I'd rather have them focusing on the story at play and in the area it's focused on, not making the entire planet of Savarra match Earth. There are other gods or beliefs and religions and the evidence of that is well-written and woven into the story without going off out of the 'play area'.

If the story was set in the Native American tribes of North America before 1400 AD, would you think that the only gods that existed in the whole world were natural spirits named Coyote and Thunderbird because not one tale or part of the game mentions Amaterasu or Hades?

 

[MarcoPolo121]

Yeah this ain't the Elder Scrolls. We don't need a massive backstory with thousands of gods. Especially not the part where said gods are crowded out or assimilated by the Seven. (Not those ones.)

 

[ARson]

Hi, I'm new here and I don't known if that's been brought up already, and I hope I chose the correct thread for this.

The thing that frustrates me to no end in CoC 2 (and the other games, but that's beside the point) is the limited choice of pronouns. Now, I know it doesn't affect everyone, and yes, the auto option is fun and all. But for the game that specifically features an amazing array of options for transformations and lets you change your sex and gender whenever you like, trying to make my character androginous, yet having to settle for a rigid set of pronouns without swinging wildly from one side to another in terms of appearance is frustrating.
Now, I know that not everyone wants this, and maybe my complaint is minor. And I also know that with how much wording is determined by stats in the game it's probably not an easy change to implement... But I just really want to see at least a little leeway, however minor, in this regard. Of course I think the ideal change would be having a "they/them" option, but something tells me that if it hasn't been implemented until now there probably is a reason for that. But I wish there was at least something. Like an option that would make it so the different pronouns are used interchangeably for example.
I wasn't planning on ever writing this post but the recent changes to the character creation with the explicit femininity/masculinity slider just highlighted my problem more than ever. This addition was amazing and made me really excited to fine-tune my character... only to read further and see:

"You are: Androginous.
The game will refer to you as a: Man"

Which would be cool if that's what I wanted but it isn't. I never truly feel like androginy is an option in this game despite being present, and that sucks.

 

[Lostname475]

Yeah, the general lack of non-binary pronouns is quite annoying, i think the issue with they them is that you need to adjust the grammar on a lot of sentences e.g "(s)he" is needs to be "they are" which would be a lot of work to go through and change every single interaction that involves this. I do agree that there should be an option, just providing information on why they/them is difficult. Curse the english language for not having singular non-gendered pronouns.

 

[Ace Hangman]

... But I just really want to see at least a little leeway, however minor, in this regard. Of course I think the ideal change would be having a "they/them" option, ...

I think Lostname475 is probably close to the truth. With so much already written, it would be cumbersome to go and find every instance of He or She (and then have to read the context that it's referring to Champ) and add in the new parser option and reorder all the words. In most cases, someone talking to Champ will be talking to them, and they'd just say 'You' or 'Champ/Title' or '[race]'. Only in the few times where someone's talking about Champ in their presence would it really come about.

Like you and Arona or Brint tagging-teaming someone and they're like, "Champ, your sexual organ is so amazing!" and your partner's line is "Yeah. [He/She] really knows how to use it." But then it would have to be not just written to add in 'They', but they'd have to go a few words in and change 'knows' to 'know' and change the plurality in a lot of places. Then probably have to do the same with 'Man/Woman' or 'Boy/Girl' and they'd need a word for those moments, and the context might not fit. Like in a scene where Champ's lover calls them a "Good boy/girl." I am not even sure what word would get put in there. I think it would just default to 'boy'.

Maybe if it was from a ground floor build. Plus, multiple writers and contributors add content and it's just too easy to overlook or not even be aware of it and then, if they did start implementing it, it would just call it out with more attention and make someone more unhappy when they inevitably run into it again.

 

[Loveless]

Maybe if it was from a ground floor build. Plus, multiple writers and contributors add content and it's just too easy to overlook or not even be aware of it and then, if they did start implementing it, it would just call it out with more attention and make someone more unhappy when they inevitably run into it again.

Pretty sure Fen had mentioned somewhere that if they ever get to that Steampunk game Gender Neutral would be an option built in from the start

 

[Lostname475]

I thought fen wasn't involved in coc2?

 

[Savin]

I thought fen wasn't involved in coc2?

He's not, but the point stands if he ever makes another game of his own (tho I don't remember ever hearing that from him).

 

[ARson]

I think Lostname475 is probably close to the truth. With so much already written, it would be cumbersome to go and find every instance of He or She (and then have to read the context that it's referring to Champ) and add in the new parser option and reorder all the words. In most cases, someone talking to Champ will be talking to them, and they'd just say 'You' or 'Champ/Title' or '[race]'. Only in the few times where someone's talking about Champ in their presence would it really come about.

Like you and Arona or Brint tagging-teaming someone and they're like, "Champ, your sexual organ is so amazing!" and your partner's line is "Yeah. [He/She] really knows how to use it." But then it would have to be not just written to add in 'They', but they'd have to go a few words in and change 'knows' to 'know' and change the plurality in a lot of places. Then probably have to do the same with 'Man/Woman' or 'Boy/Girl' and they'd need a word for those moments, and the context might not fit. Like in a scene where Champ's lover calls them a "Good boy/girl." I am not even sure what word would get put in there. I think it would just default to 'boy'.

Maybe if it was from a ground floor build. Plus, multiple writers and contributors add content and it's just too easy to overlook or not even be aware of it and then, if they did start implementing it, it would just call it out with more attention and make someone more unhappy when they inevitably run into it again.

Yeah, I get that much. That's exactly why I said that I'm guessing 'they' is hard to implement. Though my point about having an option of using pronouns and descriptors interchangeably/randomly still stands, i think. Granted, I have no idea how hard that option would be to implement, maybe it is not in any way easier.

 

[NinjaTacos]

I don't think anyone is handwaving. They are called the Living Gods, so presumably there are others, likely because they have taken the most active role and are approachable to actual mortals. That and they play the most significant part in the story being told.

There's plenty of indication that there are other gods, beliefs, and probably deities. From the Old Trees and Wyld to forest goddesses depicted in a stone fountain in the Frostwood itself, it even still has a spark of divinity in it and can manifest to clear corruption (and bang Champ). The Seven are just the main, well-known, and established deities. Elder Scrolls has the Nine Divines (or the Eight and One, depending on your view of Talos), They could have made the 104 Divines. But do we need the writers making 15 more deities just to make the entire world match an arbitrary number that no one could really agree on? How many do you want? 15, 37?
No, because they've laid the groundwork and have shown that there aren't just Seven religions (or one, assuming you consider worship of The Seven as one religion). If the story calls for a Dionysus analogue to be the God of Wine, I don't doubt they'll add a spirit, demigod, or minor deity to do it.

When it's needed they mention it. Atugia's clan worshipped spirits or followed their own paths for generations or even longer. Anubians are believed to have derived from their god Aurera.

I don't think the writers need to plot out thousands of possible entities; one that governs leaves and the one that watches over ducks and one who created turtles. If they do, they'll bring it in as the story calls for it. But I think I'd rather have them focusing on the story at play and in the area it's focused on, not making the entire planet of Savarra match Earth. There are other gods or beliefs and religions and the evidence of that is well-written and woven into the story without going off out of the 'play area'.

If the story was set in the Native American tribes of North America before 1400 AD, would you think that the only gods that existed in the whole world were natural spirits named Coyote and Thunderbird because not one tale or part of the game mentions Amaterasu or Hades?

I'm not expecting thousands of religions to be plotted out. Just the specific line from Nareva that I quoted implies that the world had precisely 7 main deities, which conveniently fit the situation she describes. That's what specifically bothers me, and it'd be easy enough to have her say that there were other gods, and the selection of the 7 meant the others faded out of prominence.