Your Gripes With CoC2

[Emerald]

Yes. She's very open about being gay

Kinda makes the constant complaints about how she won't fuck men PCs anymore bc her corrupted end is gone more fucked up tbh.

It's very "conversion therapy bimbofication hot for the sake of muh dick"-ish, considering the times we're in rn. Oh boy, you need to be a girl now to fuck a lesbian, big whoop.
That part of her corruption "NPC Bad end" always bothered me personally in all honesty. While I am bugged by the notion that a game about (if you choose to do it) corrupting NPCs around you for selfish merit is getting neutered left and right despite its name (to where even corruption paths of NPCs are getting rejected for being "too fucked up" when that was never the issue in the prev game), I'm fine with that bit being removed.

 

[Gabranth]

Corrupting Liaden just to bang her (a lesbian) as a man is silly.

You can be the manliest man to ever exist, and bang her just by choosing female pronouns. No corruption needed
Which is, I admit, also kinda silly.

About the corrupt hive path's removal (MY THOUGHTS ONLY)
Not too sad about a content dead end being removed.
Does it suck that the game has a bit less content? Yes.

Did I enjoy it, really INTERACT with it? Fuck no, it was chaotic stupid, locking yourself out of further interactions/events just for the sake of being le evil mustache twirling bad guy. (Which is what corruption feels like to me ~60% of the time)

 

[Lostname475]

Evasion as a stat feels really weak currently. Like, I have about 100 after using eviscerate and still get hit by 90% ish of attacks

 

[TalRasha]

Corruption content isn’t planned at all for characters

Which is hella strange, to say the least, for a game named Corruption of Champions 2, right?

 

[Pezantri]

Kinda makes the constant complaints about how she won't fuck men PCs anymore bc her corrupted end is gone more fucked up tbh.

It's very "conversion therapy bimbofication hot for the sake of muh dick"-ish, considering the times we're in rn. Oh boy, you need to be a girl now to fuck a lesbian, big whoop.
That part of her corruption "NPC Bad end" always bothered me personally in all honesty. While I am bugged by the notion that a game about (if you choose to do it) corrupting NPCs around you for selfish merit is getting neutered left and right despite its name (to where even corruption paths of NPCs are getting rejected for being "too fucked up" when that was never the issue in the prev game), I'm fine with that bit being removed.

The 'constant complaints about how she won't fuck men PCs anymore' is actually the only reasonable thing you mentioned.

This a porn game that doesnt respect the sexual preferences of the player, so I'd say it's pretty fair to stop giving the NPCs special treatment in that regard.

Or any regard really, but it wouldn't be CoC2 if NPCs didn't receive better treatment than the player.

 

[Madamisir]

This a porn game that doesnt respect the sexual preferences of the player

Uhm what? I don't remember encountering a single case of the game forcing sex upon you, except on combat defeat rape. Which, well, of course rape doesn't ask for consent. In every other instance you can say no. On my straight male characters I've never once had to gay it up. 90% of sexual content is also player initiated, most characters don't even overtly flirt with you without player input. What are you referring to specifically?

 

[orropo]

The 'constant complaints about how she won't fuck men PCs anymore' is actually the only reasonable thing you mentioned.

This a porn game that doesnt respect the sexual preferences of the player, so I'd say it's pretty fair to stop giving the NPCs special treatment in that regard.

Or any regard really, but it wouldn't be CoC2 if NPCs didn't receive better treatment than the player.

you are forgetting that champ isnt a defined character that has one singular author and voice, champ literally cant be defined as straight gay or bi or any other sexuality because a lot of people are playing them, unlike the characters that are written by separate authors who decided to make their characters gay straight or bi

 

[Pezantri]

I'll be honest, it's a little funny how both of you replied to yourselves so I don't have to

 

[orropo]

I'll be honest, it's a little funny how both of you replied to yourselves so I don't have to

how? the person above me said they were mever in a situation where the game forced them to be gay and i said that you cant really expect every character to be bi because the authors who wrote them specifically wanted to write gay or straight characters

 

[Pezantri]

how? the person above me said they were mever in a situation where the game forced them to be gay and i said that you cant really expect every character to be bi because the authors who wrote them specifically wanted to write gay or straight characters

The person above you explicitly mentioned an entire set of game-wide scenarios (lost fights) where preferences don't matter, and you explained in reasonable detail why the sexual preferences of the player character aren't decided by the player.

 

[orropo]

The person above you explicitly mentioned an entire set of game-wide scenarios (lost fights) where preferences don't matter, and you explained in reasonable detail why the sexual preferences of the player character aren't decided by the player.

but it is, rape isnt really counted into preference, and you can easily win those, aside from literal rape theres never a "do or die" on fucking a character you dont like

 

[Tarnakus]

The person above you explicitly mentioned an entire set of game-wide scenarios (lost fights) where preferences don't matter, and you explained in reasonable detail why the sexual preferences of the player character aren't decided by the player.

Neither of them proved your point or contradicted each other - your read is completely wrong or bad faith here.
The first one told you exactly the opposite of what you claimed -> that the game shows only content that players want, minus the post-fight scenes -> which, let's be real, losing is also a player choice.
The second reasoned why the Player Character CANNOT have preferences in a game like this, which is obvious - the PC needs to be into whatever the player is -> so essentially everything - it is the player that is the "guardian" of the PC's preferences. In contrast to that, NPCs can have some preferences.

 

[Pezantri]

Neither of them proved your point or contradicted each other - your read is completely wrong or bad faith here.
The first one told you exactly the opposite of what you claimed -> that the game shows only content that players want, minus the post-fight scenes -> which, let's be real, losing is also a player choice.
The second reasoned why the Player Character CANNOT have preferences in a game like this, which is obvious - the PC needs to be into whatever the player is -> so essentially everything - it is the player that is the "guardian" of the PC's preferences. In contrast to that, NPCs can have some preferences.

Use your head a little, please. 'the game shows only content that players want, minus the post-fight scenes' is no different from saying 'the player's preferences are taken into account, except when they're not'.

And kindly never use the term 'bad faith' until you stop embodying it. When I said that the player's preferences aren't respected, you and orropo both tried to explain why the character played by the player can't or doesn't get to have preferences. That supports my argument, bright spark.

 

[Lostname475]

The champion doesn't have pre defined preferences. The player absolutely can.

Tbh if you keep getting defeat scenes you aren't looking for it might be a skill issue

 

[Pezantri]

but it is, rape isnt really counted into preference, and you can easily win those, aside from literal rape theres never a "do or die" on fucking a character you dont like

I'd love it if you explained why rape scenes get a pass on whether or not someone's sexual preferences are respected.

 

[orropo]

also what do you expect? if the game was specifically queer or straight with the character specifically only ever liking this this and this, first of all that would need a lot more code, second if all, why? when you as the player can control it yourself, and about explaining rape...its corrupted creatures literally using you and forcing you, even then with some(imps) you can choose how it goes, also do you hear yourself? rape gets a pass on preferences, no it doesn't, the enemies are easy because its not really about fighting, and the player literally chooses if they lose or not, and if they do lose that means they wanted to and this specific thing is what they explicitly wanted for the character

 

[orropo]

point is, you started this thing by asking why are some characters different sexualities and not attracted to champ, and why are they given such "privileges", point is most authors write whatever they want, if something is commissioned then yea theyll do that, but aside from those everything they wrote is because they themselves wanted to write it that way and no one forced them to

 

[Tarnakus]

Use your head a little, please. 'the game shows only content that players want, minus the post-fight scenes' is no different from saying 'the player's preferences are taken into account, except when they're not'.

And kindly never use the term 'bad faith' until you stop embodying it. When I said that the player's preferences aren't respected, you and orropo both tried to explain why the character played by the player can't or doesn't get to have preferences. That supports my argument, bright spark.

I'm being bad faith here? When the first thing you do towards me is being condescending?
Before you misconstrue something again:

your read is completely wrong or bad faith here.

I did give you the benefit of the doubt that you simply didn't comprehend the points made.

Reading by-design non-con scenes as proof the whole game doesn't respect player choice is a bad faith take, especially if those scenes are not the main attraction and can be easily avoided by player skill.
Ignoring the basic design of the player character and the fact that it is the player who crafts the PC's sexuality, and wanting the game to define it instead, is a strange argument to even start.