Your Gripes With CoC2

[Loveless]

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I'll be honest, I like Brint just being some guy that you're friendly with. I think the companions should be like friends and and Brint fulfils that great. Berwyn completely fails this. He just exists in this own bubble, where he just jerks off and studies magic. No interesting thoughts about the world, the town or even anything around you, he just jerks off and studies magic. He's as bite sized as you can get. He's the outline off a character. Sure he's insecure. So what? Why does that matter? It only exists so you can have a one off cute scene with him.

He just has nothing that grabs me. After everything, beneath all those obnoxious layers of Quin I can still see a great character. An in over his head nobleman, who belives that life has screwed him over, joins a cult that promises him everything he wants, only too late to realize the real danger behind his actions. Sure it isn't exactly executed great, but Berwyn doesn't even have that. He's just a mage that studied under Matiah and was turned into a femboy. Do people even remember that? The transformation? Cuz it's not relevant to anything. He has nothing.

I know these criticism are kind off unfair. If Hugs were still an author I'm sure he would have fleshed him out greatly. But he's not here. And Berwyn is abandoned. B's "last hurrah" for him was dissapointing. It just alows you to customize his appereance. Cuz in the end that's all he is. A cute face. People get drawn in by his great portrait, admittedly I was one of them, and start fantasizing all the great things you can do with the wolf boy. But that's all it is. An idea.

It's Berwyn, the character vs. Berwyn, the idea

 

[Loveless]

At the same time lol

 

[Gabranth]

No, but seriously. What do you like so much about him? He was always a bare bones character for me, even with his DLC added on (although I glossed over a lot of the text cause I'm pretty sure I went braindead from the maze).

I just liked the design. Being a summoner helped, being able to give him a chance at a better life helped too.

And no, I didn't go apeshit crazy when he stopped being a companion, although I did wish Sir Waste-of-Spaceington took his place instead lol

Damn, it just hit me:
Male companions are fucked in these type of games (not in the fun way), they either get turned into waifus, dismissed, or outright ignored.

 

[Karakara]

I'll be honest, I like Brint just being some guy that you're friendly with. I think the companions should be like friends and and Brint fulfils that great. Berwyn completely fails this. He just exists in this own bubble, where he just jerks off and studies magic. No interesting thoughts about the world, the town or even anything around you, he just jerks off and studies magic. He's as bite sized as you can get. He's the outline off a character. Sure he's insecure. So what? Why does that matter? It only exists so you can have a one off cute scene with him.

He just has nothing that grabs me. After everything, beneath all those obnoxious layers of Quin I can still see a great character. An in over his head nobleman, who belives that life has screwed him over, joins a cult that promises him everything he wants, only too late to realize the real danger behind his actions. Sure it isn't exactly executed great, but Berwyn doesn't even have that. He's just a mage that studied under Matiah and was turned into a femboy. Do people even remember that? The transformation? Cuz it's not relevant to anything. He has nothing.

I know these criticism are kind off unfair. If Hugs were still an author I'm sure he would have fleshed him out greatly. But he's not here. And Berwyn is abandoned. B's "last hurrah" for him was dissapointing. It just alows you to customize his appereance. Cuz in the end that's all he is. A cute face. People get drawn in by his great portrait, admittedly I was one of them, and start fantasizing all the great things you can do with the wolf boy. But that's all it is. An idea.

It's Berwyn, the character vs. Berwyn, the idea

I mean, yeah. Berwyns pottential and what was there is what drew him to me. I can not say if his future expansions would have made him better or worst.

I am more forgiving of your justifiable grievences since I feel like a lot of companions did fail in really progressing as charactes or really interacting with the world. It still feels like most of them are the same the day we met them. And most of them have less defined character arcs then what was alluded with Berwyn. I wish we could have seen where his insecurities progressed, how his complicated relationship with his former teacher would develop and how far his "dommy attitude" could be pushed.

I do not really want to dog pile on Quin, but since you mention also present him as a "guy with pottential", I feel like his story is harder to get grasp on. Quin is a noble, a former assasin, a magician of lost arts and a cult member. There is to much there compared to Berwyns "farm boy turned femboy magician". And I mean, Berwyns transformation did seem to give him at least some form of grievence in how some people treat him like a child. And how it was breech of consent on Matihas end.

Like, Quin had only 8 percent of votes in male popularity poll as bunny twink. Which tells you how messy he is and how it is not exactly clear who he is supposed to appeal to. He does not bottom, he is a manwhore, he currently has no real romantic chemistry with the champion. It is hard to say who his fans are. Now, of course, I still like the guy. I like his dorky attitude and his guise of "self importance". And once we are able to top him, I will like even more for I am shallow. But I do think his initial release is much worse then that of Berwyns at least in terms of establishing his core appeals.

Once again, I can not really claim that he was all that deep. But in my opinion, comparing pre expansion Berwyn -- a guy with predifined wants and needs -- to post expansion Berwyn -- a choose your NPC mash up of ideas and parsers -- only makes me and others wish he recieved a better tretment.

 

[valk42]

His appeal to me was that he was a male companion who wasn't brint. brint is fated to die in every playthru of mine, but i'm still bi and still need some dudes in my diet

edit: and his win scenes on enemies. those were peak and ryn is too nice to tagteam hostiles with me. arona i just dislike

 

[Karakara]

His appeal to me was that he was a male companion who wasn't brint. brint is fated to die in every playthru of mine, but i'm still bi and still need some dudes in my diet

I honestly though you would prefer Brint compared to Brienne. Well once again, assuming only made an ass out of me.

 

[valk42]

I honestly though you would prefer Brint compared to Brienne. Well once again, assuming only made an ass out of me.

leaving brint brint makes me lose the best domme in the damn game

 

[Karakara]

leaving brint brint makes me lose the best domme in the damn game

Oh, yeah, Rina is great. Wish she had more Lezdomme scenes and that they were not locked behind having Brienne. It makes it seem like she is only into it because she gets to fuck her sister.

 

[DanielDorkus]

Lezdomme Rina is best domme ,but sadly I can´t have her because she is locked behind dickless champs.
Why oh great Wsan, why do you forsake me. And why is she locked behind Brienne, who is made of 70% waifu and 30 % preg fetish. Which you can´t do without dick.
Wsan realy wanted us to suffer

 

[orropo]

Im glad Im not the only one actively disliking Arona, if it wasn't for a quest I would prefer to never interact with her, but back to the topic of Quin and Berwyn, I agree that Berwyn's story line is a glorified waste of space, and a nothing burger, sure you get Matiha, but thats all, the salamanders could be introduced in a different way and the transformation scene was underwhelming. As for Quin I genuinely don't understand why some people think he is a waste of space, I can see the outlines of the story that Bubbles was going for with him, and the only reason it wasn't implemented was probably because Bubbles is, as far as im informed, gone, pretty sure he is for people who are the "I can fix him"-boys and girls, and it feels like he wouldn't have half the haters if he was either a) a woman(with or without a dick, but more with a dick) or b) a buttslut, since there are way more characters who have nothing and are companions I.E vivienne for example, or are genuinely evil(even if they aren't mean towards you doesn't mean they are good characters, in story) for example Arona who actively has slaves and doesn't think twice about it because its "their culture", and people don't really have any gripes towards them

 

[Loveless]

I do not really want to dog pile on Quin, but since you mention also present him as a "guy with pottential", I feel like his story is harder to get grasp on. Quin is a noble, a former assasin, a magician of lost arts and a cult member. There is to much there compared to Berwyns "farm boy turned femboy magician". And I mean, Berwyns transformation did seem to give him at least some form of grievence in how some people treat him like a child. And how it was breech of consent on Matihas end.

Like, Quin had only 8 percent of votes in male popularity poll as bunny twink. Which tells you how messy he is and how it is not exactly clear who he is supposed to appeal to. He does not bottom, he is a manwhore, he currently has no real romantic chemistry with the champion. It is hard to say who his fans are. Now, of course, I still like the guy. I like his dorky attitude and his guise of "self importance". And once we are able to top him, I will like even more for I am shallow. But I do think his initial release is much worse then that of Berwyns at least in terms of establishing his core appeals.

Yeah, Quin's a gigantic hodgepodge of random ideas, which makes it easier to grab the parts you like. Cut off all the excess and you have a super solid character with flaws, pros and development. Berwyn just doesn't make me interested like that. He desperately needs a deeper facet to his character. Either just cut the whole transformation thing and make him always a femboy, and so he has always felt insecure about that part of himself; or make it so if he's transformed make him uncomfortable with that aspect of himself, this halfway point where it's mentioned but never really acknowledged is just dissapointing.

For example if he was always a femboy: growing up around a bunch of full lupine hunky men while being a half breed femboy would make him feel ostracized and different. Especially after he gains an interest in magic and the people around him are dismissive off it. So he strikes out on his own. When Matilda gives him all that attention he briefly feels content but later realizes it still doesn't completely satisfies him. Then the champ helps him become more comfortable with himself: either by subbing to him and letting him feel masculine or domming him and showing him there is nothing wrong with catching. This is already slightly implied but it's so underdeveloped it hurts. His expansion should have been an overhaul of his basic talk scenes and a short and sweet personal quest where you get to learn more of his backstory and his more guarded feelings. That would have been a good send off.

 

[DanielDorkus]

I sadly never experienced Berwyn as companion, but the idea that Quint, who I feel like has one greatest potential for story development in the game (his backstory litteraly ties him to the main plot),
lost popularity votes against a gooner who did nothing all day except jerk off, is highly amusing to me.
Either we are just a bunch off horndogs who don´t give a fuck about characterizition or Bubblelord is the master of writing unliked characters.

 

[Karakara]

Lezdomme Rina is best domme ,but sadly I can´t have her because she is locked behind dickless champs.
Why oh great Wsan, why do you forsake me. And why is she locked behind Brienne, who is made of 70% waifu and 30 % preg fetish. Which you can´t do without dick.
Wsan realy wanted us to suffer

Yeah, I feel like femdom Rina is supposed to be like a conselation prize for pussy champs, but I would still love if Brienne by herself had something to offer for us. It kind of sucks that my most played NPCs (fem champs) are locked behind 70 percent of her content since they can not give her a child or need to use a strap on her to really make it worth it. God I hope Brienne will actually have substantial content for fem/cboy NPCs down the line. Maybe have her also become lezdome since that seems like a popular plea.

Im glad Im not the only one actively disliking Arona, if it wasn't for a quest I would prefer to never interact with her, but back to the topic of Quin and Berwyn, I agree that Berwyn's story line is a glorified waste of space, and a nothing burger, sure you get Matiha, but thats all, the salamanders could be introduced in a different way and the transformation scene was underwhelming. As for Quin I genuinely don't understand why some people think he is a waste of space, I can see the outlines of the story that Bubbles was going for with him, and the only reason it wasn't implemented was probably because Bubbles is, as far as im informed, gone, pretty sure he is for people who are the "I can fix him"-boys and girls, and it feels like he wouldn't have half the haters if he was either a) a woman(with or without a dick, but more with a dick) or b) a buttslut, since there are way more characters who have nothing and are companions I.E vivienne for example, or are genuinely evil(even if they aren't mean towards you doesn't mean they are good characters, in story) for example Arona who actively has slaves and doesn't think twice about it because its "their culture", and people don't really have any gripes towards them

I feel like "making him a girl" is a mute point since every character in this game would be more well reecieved as a girl. Though I do not think he, well she in this context, would be all that popular since people mostly like waifu characters and Quin, if he would keep his characteristics as a girl and not get brainwashed like in case with Brint into Brienne, would be more in line with Cait. But with less content.

The buttslut thing though -- you do not need to go that far. I, and many other of my friends, do not really care in making him a butt slut. I just want the ability to top him. He does not need to go all dick crazy or anything. It just sucks not being able to perform an act that you, as the player enjoy. I assume that you would not care for Quin if he only bottomed or only did anal. It just happens that this is a game where most of the playerbase prefers to be on top, so of course Quin not giving us the oppurtunity to do so would hurt his rankings.

Though I do not quite get what is there to "fix" with Quin. Could you elaborate.

 

[orropo]

Yeah, I feel like femdom Rina is supposed to be like a conselation prize for pussy champs, but I would still love if Brienne by herself had something to offer for us. It kind of sucks that my most played NPCs (fem champs) are locked behind 70 percent of her content since they can not give her a child or need to use a strap on her to really make it worth it. God I hope Brienne will actually have substantial content for fem/cboy NPCs down the line. Maybe have her also become lezdome since that seems like a popular plea.


I feel like "making him a girl" is a mute point since every character in this game would be more well reecieved as a girl. Though I do not think he, well she in this context, would be all that popular since people mostly like waifu characters and Quin, if he would keep his characteristics as a girl and not got brainwashed like in case with Brint into Brienne, would be more in line with Cait. But with less content.

The buttslut thing though -- you do not need to go that far. I, and many other of my friends, do not really care in making him a butt slut. I just want the ability to top him. He does not need to go all dick crazy or anything. It just sucks not being able to perform an act that you, as the player enjoy. I assume that you would not care for Quin if he only bottomed or only did anal. It just happens that this is a game where most of the playerbase prefers to be on top, so of course Quin not giving us the oppurtunity to do so would hurt his rankings.

Though I do not quite get what is there to "fix" with Quin. Could you elaborate.

no no no buttslut with a hyperbole, but you get what i mean, didnt really mean to come off as agressive i just like that we have characters that exclusively top or bottom, gives the game a little variety

 

[orropo]

as for the "I can fix him" thing, he is the quintessential (heh, geddit?) jaded guy, who is a playboy and an asshole, but with the champ he is like "woah, you like, want to sleep sleep with me? no sex? you do know thats what lovers do right? haha jk...unless?" which lends itself pretty fluidly to the "jaded asshole who turns into a loving companion" which is very appealing for the "i can fix him" people

 

[Karakara]

no no no buttslut with a hyperbole but you get what i mean didnt really mean to come off as agressive i just like that we have characters that exclusively top or bottom, gives the game a little variety

Oh no, no worries! The whole buttslut thing just reminded me how I can come off at times when it comes to guys since I have been quite persistant in my wants since day one of making this account. Made me self reflect for a bit there.

Though, I do feel like "strickt top or bottom" is something we can get rid off. Frankly, as someone who also played through TiTs and had displesure of getting shot down by many men on account of what I am suggesting being gay or "I accept bottoms only" and had to suffer through CoC2 by seeing all these unfuckable twinks, I think I am more than ready to see these games sell out and throw in some mass apeal. All guys should have bottoming and topping content.

as for the "I can fix him" thing, he is the quintessential (heh, geddit?) jaded guy, who is a playboy and an asshole, but with the champ he is like "woah, you like, want to sleep sleep with me? no sex? you do know thats what lovers do right? haha jk...unless?" which lends itself pretty fluidly to the "jaded asshole who turns into a loving companion" which is very appealing for the "i can fix him" people

Hmmm, I could see that. Though, remind me, doesnt Quin like want to sleep with everyone? He wants to woo Cait and Atugia, fuck Brienne and Kiyoko, and goes on playdates with Rune. I think he is only weirdly against sleeping with the champ at the start for some reason. His recent expansion did more to progress his relationship with the headless redhead then with the champion for example/

 

[orropo]

We didnt really go that far into the character but, pretty sure from the baby dialogue and the talk option when you complete everything with him(getting into the closet and supporting him when exiting hawkthorn, and the talk with garth(?)), and knowing that he had the marriage ark planned out, it could lead into a "redeemed player" that doesnt really fuck around anymore after marriage

 

[IraMorti]

People with taste

I'm surprised you can taste anything with all that salt.

 

[Karakara]

We didnt really go that far into the character but, pretty sure from the baby dialogue and the talk option when you complete everything with him(getting into the closet and supporting him when exiting hawkthorn, and the talk with garth(?)), and knowing that he had the marriage ark planned out, it could lead into a "redeemed player" that doesnt really fuck around anymore after marriage

Ohhhhhhhhh! While I am not sure if him becoming more loyal is on menu, it would certainly make him more appealing as a partner. Brint already has the manwhore shtick on the lockdown, so it would certainly help the bunny boy stand out. Would certainly make me interested in pursuing him if something along your lines came to fruition.

Having said that, any relationship progresion would be welcomed currently compared to how lacking he is on that front.

 

[orropo]

I would love to write some things for the game myself, but Im no good when it comes to writing sex scenes, and those are the bread and butter of this game, I have so many ideas for armor sets and gifts the characters can give you

 

[LonelyHydra]

We didnt really go that far into the character but, pretty sure from the baby dialogue and the talk option when you complete everything with him(getting into the closet and supporting him when exiting hawkthorn, and the talk with garth(?)), and knowing that he had the marriage ark planned out, it could lead into a "redeemed player" that doesnt really fuck around anymore after marriage

Ohhhhhh that's why he's starts out like that.

Though, I would guess that redemption arcs for the already corrupt tend heavily scrutinized by the writers. Corruption is not meant to be easily reversed in this setting. Not even for the player, if the Winterstem drop rates are any indication.

 

[SeveringCrisis]

if the Winterstem drop rates are any indication.

You can buy from khor'minos pharmacy

 

[IraMorti]

Winterstem is hard to get early game but pretty easy to get in the current lategame at several vendors, so honestly corruption is fairly easy to purge, it's just a time sink. Cloister the easiest way to purge a lot, but you lose several days, with Zo being the next best thing, getting a couple corruption purged a day. After that you can spam purchase a blessing from Sanders, also giving Cait the chaste kiss once a day also clears a point of corruption daily. Once could argue the fluidity of the champions existence (even after a soulbind if applicable) makes it easier for them to clear corruption, though.

 

[CboyC95]

I don't like how wearing the witch set if you're character is male transforms you into a woman. Like, I can understand what they were going for with it, but still... If I wanted to make my character a witch boy, I should have the option to.

 

[Ultra Chad]

To balance it we need a warlock set that makes you more masculine.

 

[Kalnath]

I don't like how wearing the witch set if you're character is male transforms you into a woman. Like, I can understand what they were going for with it, but still... If I wanted to make my character a witch boy, I should have the option to.

I believe the transformation is tied specifically to the corset. As long as you don't put that piece on, you can wear the hat, gloves, and boots just fine and still retain your boyish good looks.

 

[Gabranth]

You can bypass the feminization effect if you talk to Viv about it, and THEN put it on.

If my memory serves, it's been a while.

 

[LonelyHydra]

Once could argue the fluidity of the champions existence (even after a soulbind if applicable) makes it easier for them to clear corruption, though.

It does make the Champ come off as schizophrenic, though, and distant from the situation everyone else is going through. Admittedly, I would've liked it if the team committed to their vision of making Corruption only go one way.

 

[Tide Hunter]

I don't like how wearing the witch set if you're character is male transforms you into a woman. Like, I can understand what they were going for with it, but still... If I wanted to make my character a witch boy, I should have the option to.

I think the transformation is one-time, so if you wear it then use transformatives to undo the changes you can be fine.

 

[Karakara]

I do find it little cooky how every curse items boils down to turning you into a girl. Little curious