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I'm defining 'useless' as outclassed by another item that's available at the same time. Bonus if the better item is earlier or from the same vendor.
Ironically, probably better for Shield Techs, who have more Shields to lose. It's certainly a better deal them than the Heat/Arctic Warfare Belt. Doesn't protect against the heat outside the Dhaal Farrow Facility.
Heat Belt has terrible stats, but is at least cheap. Arctic Warfare Belt is almost 100x the price for +10 Shields, +10% Freezing & -20% Burning Resistances. Worth a decent amout of Credits when dropped by Korgonne, I guess?
Outclassed in every practical measurement by the Ice Cappers, also sold by Kattom. Several possible enemies in the Farrow Facility are weak to Freezing. Only useful if you're commited to Shotguns for RP purposes.
I think this might actually be worse than the Ramshackle Power Armor. The extra -5 Evasion really hurts. -10 can be negated with the Light Jetpack/Rouser, but -15 requires another slot dedicated to overcoming the penalty. Especially if you want to use a Power Armor weapon. Is Power Armor meant for Ranged characters? They're the ones with large Accuracy bonuses. Comparatively BS trades 20 HP for 20 Shields. Slight advantage? Maybe? Shield damage isn't subject to Evasion penalty and is restored automatically. But if you're not taking HP damage, the high Defense and bonus HP don't matter. Also, 2 Sexiness, 0 Resolve (probably a bug). I guess you don't need to disable Roz for it?
Maybe it's my character, but I didn't see any noticeable improvement afterward.
Who is this for? Low Defense & Shields, no Evasion. In terms of raw Stats, Augment-Weave is better. +15 Energy once/fight isn't much. (Bugged, doesn't actually work?) Might be a bug, but in JavaScript, you can buy Power Potions in bulk. +100 Energy, unlimited times/combat.
Will depend on how common Poison & Drug is on the next planet. It's competing with a lot of good Accessories.
Are there use cases for these that I'm missing? Did I miss any useless items?
 

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(These are the opinions from someone who rushes to get to Uveto early game to get money for a ship and mods and as such is only going to talk about the useless and messy early game weapons and armors.)

I feel like all the items I'm mentioning are mostly useless because they fall under the better options category as in if you has a choice between them these item are not worth as much as the others of the same level or under.

Who buys anything from Kattom on Mhen'ga and Carl pre level 6 or farms first-14 when you have free starting weapons that work just as well, smuggler and tech spec have the satellite laser pistol and leathian compound bow respectively that you get for free and are better then anything else at the time, both these weapons can work just as well for merc too. Also the zk rifle is there but unless you waste money on a shock gun from carl the bow is better in most cases, also the whip on Tavros exists but who would really get that and use it over just teasing?

Kattom on Tarkus like the rest of the planets weapon list is a mess, you get the electrified shock blade from Dane on Mhen'ga and can buy the electro gun from Aurora and those are more then enough for farming sex bots to get colenso's 80% sell prices and get to level 6 to get to Uveto. Kattoms items other then the best ranged item for melee the warden shield seem useless and the other vendors aren't any better such as Anno's weapons like hammer and laser carbine along with the goovolver which feels like a worse slut ray, enemy drops are bad too like the giant wrench is just worse rocket hammer with plus 1 accuracy and is hard to get. Anno's post recruitment shop items has her hold out pistol and the Zhou-Ling rifle but both can easily be outclassed by the time you get them.

Shield belts just go basic/descent to hammer shield with the scrap shield left to be the " I'm unlucky and didn't get a hammer shield" shield. you can also lose out on the best sell vendor in the game to get the premium shield early from black market Anno but the hammer shield is still better.

Armor on these first few planets is also a mess, the armors you can get on First-14 are the virgin slayer sweater and steel tech hazmat suit while they are ok their rare and not worth farming to replace your dress clothes, Tavros has a few armors but who wastes their money on those, this also applies to New Texas. Armor on Mhen'ga early game is the leather armor and neleen scale armor but both are at best a waste of money in comparison to the free atma armor. On Tarkus I can't really call any armor useless.

I'll do another post later fairly judging useless items from Myrellion and Uveto base on there respective levels 6-8 and 7-8.
 
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Who buys anything from Kattom on Mhen'ga and Carl pre level 6 or farms first-14 when you have free starting weapons that work just as well, smuggler and tech spec have the satellite laser pistol and leathian compound bow respectively that you get for free and are better then anything else at the time, both these weapons can work just as well for merc too. Also the zk rifle is there but unless you waste money on a shock gun from carl the bow is better in most cases,
The Arc Sledgehammer is much better than the starting Knife for Melee Mercs. The small amount of Electric damage is more impactful than you might think. First time through, I had to buy a Shortsword to deal with the Machina. I always defeat the Machina, but I've never had to buy a Shock Gun. The ZK Rifle is plenty on Mhen'ga, even for Melee characters because the difference isn't high yet.
also the whip on Tavros exists but who would really get that and use it over just teasing?
It's one of the few Melee Lust weapons, You can get a 2nd attack with it. And it is +1 Sexiness.
Kattom on Tarkus like the rest of the planets weapon list is a mess, you get the electrified shock blade from Dane on Mhen'ga and can buy the electro gun from Aurora and those are more then enough for farming sex bots to get colenso's 80% sell prices and get to level 6 to get to Uveto.
Personally, I've found the Electrified Shock Blade is almost always enough to deal with the Sex Bots, even at 3 Physique on a character that's otherwise Ranged.
After getting a Hammer Shield, it's always enough.
Shield belts just go basic/descent to hammer shield with the scrap shield left to be the " I'm unlucky and didn't get a hammer shield" shield. you can also lose out on the best sell vendor in the game to get the premium shield early from black market Anno but the hammer shield is still better.
Theoretically, Shield Techs can focus on Resistances instead of raw Max Shields, but it's rarely necessary.
Armor on these first few planets is also a mess, the armors you can get on First-14 are the virgin slayer sweater and steel tech hazmat suit while they are ok their rare and not worth farming to replace your dress clothes, Tavros has a few armors but who wastes their money on those, this also applies to New Texas. Armor on Mhen'ga early game is the leather armor and neleen scale armor but both are at best a waste of money in comparison to the free atma armor. On Tarkus I can't really call any armor useless.
I've found the extra 9 Shields from the Steele Tech Hazard Suit very useful. It's not necessary, but it does make things a lot easier. Virgin-Slayer Sweater is decent starter armor for a Tease build, assuming you don't want to walk around naked. I've had characters use the Atma Armor until Zheng Shi.

Some of the issue here is simply that the game isn't difficult enough to force the player to change equipment very often. Something that isn't worth farming for isn't necessarily useless. I've been thinking about doing an upgrades thread. Everybody knows to get the best items at the endgame, but when/what do you upgrade on the way?

Personally, I wait until after Myrellion to go to Uveto, because I'm hoping the Broken Psi-Amp will someday be useful. Savin recently confirmed player Psionics are still planned.

Thanks for responding and looking forward to your analysis of Myrellion & Uveto.
 

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Thanks for the input on some items, I forgot some of them did do things like the whip with +1 sexiness. Also I get to Uveto early to farm out money as to afford the mods I need to TF such as the Frostwyrm ichor and to buy a ship with all the crew mods in already so I don't have to kick out anyone. I'll just cheat in the psi amp when I need it because I like the Data cores giving me a special scene.

Bonus round before I fully write up the next part.
Accessories: You get the ballistic underlayer for a grand total of 5 minuets before you can go get the Santa hat, there is also allure which gives plus 7 sexiness and a pheromone level or two but the lust weaknesses on Mhen'ga is questionable and on Tarkus has screwed me over as both tease smuggler and drone tech. The helm of terror could be useful to merc but I would argue that its rarity really puts it down on my list and if I did want one of the Halloween drops I want the reaper cloak for its plus 5 crit bonus anyway. All the other accessories have uses but the jungle repellent gets one only but I felt I should bring it up because it could help in getting the atma armor early but at that point why waste the money and not just save scum your way there?

The cargo drone is one of the most unless items I have the displeasure of remembering, like the smuggler perk hidden loot it really never comes up and taking up your slot when you could be using the lightning duster, aim eye piece, or the Santa hat. I mean really how could you not just buy the backpack upgrade from Shekka which is also where you get the damn thing, if your hurting for inventory space early game I would like to know how.

This last section would be about the Varmint "drone" because you can get it earlier then Uveto by being a bimbo but I to judge it based on where it should be.
 
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Time for the Myrellion list. I'm doing this list a bit different by more so talking about the items rather then making sweeping statements on the merchants also I don't know how to do the spoiler thing so this will be long. I also tested every weapon I'm talking about. Bonus weapons: you can loot some weapons from Kiro when you save her, while the Laser Pistol does have a nice crit bonus the Steel Cutlass is just a worse knife to me.

Myrellion:
Nyrean Spear: it's worst then Taivra's Spear but I will use the Nyrean Spear for comparisons because its not a boss drop you get when your ready to leave the planet, so her spear will get a place in the Uveto section if it is out classed.

The Lava Saber: Other then the infected myr nothing else on planet is weak to burning and to make it worse most of the damage is burning and most things on planet have a base 20% immunity, it also only offers plus 2 evasion which you can get more on other weapons such as the Lightning Rod, Cavalry Saber, or the Vamp Blade even one of the item drops like the Nyrean Spear or Bothric Rapier.

The Military Pick: Another on the list of who wants/uses. This its a worse Jolt Hammer and like the Lava Saber only one enemy on planet to take advantage of, that being the Queens Guard with her armor giving her a 25% weakness but every other weapon other then lasers because of that 90% resistance that her armor gives her do better in the fight.

Survival Axe: this weapon is mediocre 18 damage for a 8 crit bonus and nothing else, if you want a crit weapon the Cavalry Saber, Bothric Rapier, or Nyrean Spear all provide a 5 or 6 bonus plus extra stats too for all for 5 damage less.

Chain Gun: Now the weapon does good damage but at the level you get it who can even use it with it needing 40 physique to even use it. Now yes the boss is level 8 so there you got 40 physique but if it was only that it would not be on this list, no it also gets out classed by the Aegis Light Machinegun you can also get at level 8 which is better in every way. It's not as easy to get but 25 shield, plus 4 to hit, and plus 1 damage should speak for its self.

Arc Caster: It's out classed in every way by Khan's one and getting it can screw you out of Uveto if your unlucky with the Ice Queen encounter, also is anyone really wanting this weapon in the first place when Khan's exists?

Flare Gun: Your target needs to be weak to fire to do normal damage, on a crit it does it does less then most other weapons in its class. If fire dot was better you could use this weapon but other weapons that do burn are also better then it but I swear this thing burns more often.

Myr Bow: With the crit bonus this could be good but the shock bow has a stun chance thus rendering this weapon outclassed

Bolt-Action Rifle: Out classed by Myr's Leg Rifle which is another weapon nobody uses but is still ok unlike the Bolt-Action Rifle

Zil Champion's Bow and Zil Champion's Assegai: out classed by their contemporaries

JoyCo Shield Generator (Elite), JoyCo Shield Generator (Premium), and Salamander Class Shield Generator: All out classed by the Nova Shield Generator but if that is to rare you can just rush the boss dungeon and get Reaper Armaments Mark I Shield Generator which is just better then all of the others and you don't even need to kill the main boss to get the best shield all you need to do is beat a mini boss. I go from Hammer shield to Reaper Mark One in most of my playthroughs unless I get a Nova Shield.

MineSweeper: Mines just don't do the damage that would demand this.

Azure ArmStrong Space Suit: It's outclassed by the UltraViolet one which is odd because I always thought they were the same, must be a java vs flash thing or I'm just remembering wrong. Also both are outclassed by the Premium one because 1 defense point is not worth 6 evasion, fire and electric resistance is nice but the premium one does give 10 lust resistance.

Chitin Armor and Chitin Plates: Out classed by most other armors around this level as there flag resistances don't add that much vs other armors

Most other clothing and armor each has a use so I felt as if I can't really judge them, some could be worse then others but its really up to what the player wants at the time.

I'll do Uveto some other time because this took a bit.
 

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Bonus weapons: you can loot some weapons from Kiro when you save her, while the Laser Pistol does have a nice crit bonus the Steel Cutlass is just a worse knife to me.
I'm fairly certain you can take the weapons and just leave, too. That said, if you're rescuing Kiro, taking them lowers her starting disposition. I think it's just there to give you a chance to be a jerk.
Chain Gun: Now the weapon does good damage but at the level you get it who can even use it with it needing 40 physique to even use it. Now yes the boss is level 8 so there you got 40 physique but if it was only that it would not be on this list, no it also gets out classed by the Aegis Light Machinegun you can also get at level 8 which is better in every way. It's not as easy to get but 25 shield, plus 4 to hit, and plus 1 damage should speak for its self.
If you hurried to Uveto, you technically could have the Akkadi Armored Depthsuit, which is Power Armor. But that also requires you to have beaten the Janeria, and there are better weapons there anyway. ALM is a quest reward in two quests.
Arc Caster: It's out classed in every way by Khan's one and getting it can screw you out of Uveto if your unlucky with the Ice Queen encounter, also is anyone really wanting this weapon in the first place when Khan's exists?
You can technically get it at a lower level. Can the Arc Casters actually hit multiple enemies in group fights? Or is it just flavor text? (Or is Steele not a 'skilled user'?)
Flare Gun: Your target needs to be weak to fire to do normal damage, on a crit it does it does less then most other weapons in its class. If fire dot was better you could use this weapon but other weapons that do burn are also better then it but I swear this thing burns more often.
Burning is a crap Status Effect/Flag in general. It could really use a rework. I don't know how it's rated in their weapon stat guidelines, but if it's more than free, it's too much.
Myr Bow: With the crit bonus this could be good but the shock bow has a stun chance thus rendering this weapon outclassed
That's true for a lot of weapons. Sure, this thing has better damage, but that other weapon has Stun Chance, which is borderline broken on it's own. The only thing that comes close to Stun is Trip. And Trip is only 1 round and doesn't trigger Sneak Attack/Aimed Shot.
At least Myr Bow has access to Concussive Shot. Also, is it me, or does it seem like it should do Drug damage instead of Corrosive, given the description?
Zil Champion's Bow and Zil Champion's Assegai: out classed by their contemporaries
Zil Champion's Bow is tied with Royal Shard Bow for bonus Evasion (6). But Warden Shield is probably the better Stat Stick overall.
JoyCo Shield Generator (Elite), JoyCo Shield Generator (Premium), and Salamander Class Shield Generator: All out classed by the Nova Shield Generator but if that is to rare you can just rush the boss dungeon and get Reaper Armaments Mark I Shield Generator which is just better then all of the others and you don't even need to kill the main boss to get the best shield all you need to do is beat a mini boss. I go from Hammer shield to Reaper Mark One in most of my playthroughs unless I get a Nova Shield.
In theory, a Shield Tech could focus on Resistances instead of raw Shields.
1. The game isn't hard enough to make it matter.
2. The player doesn't really have enough ability to change what they're using depending on the enemy. Only boss battles, really.
If you bribe the Guards, you're escorted to Taivra, and so don't get the other chance at the Reaper Shield. But you just pick up the Pirate Prototype on Uveto anyway.
MineSweeper: Mines just don't do the damage that would demand this.
No, but they do Lust damage, which can be annoying.
Azure ArmStrong Space Suit: It's outclassed by the UltraViolet one which is odd because I always thought they were the same, must be a java vs flash thing or I'm just remembering wrong. Also both are outclassed by the Premium one because 1 defense point is not worth 6 evasion, fire and electric resistance is nice but the premium one does give 10 lust resistance.
Premium isn't Airtight, which can be a very useful Flag.

Stat Hierarchy seems to be Shops<Enemy Drops<Quest Rewards, I'm not sure a Quest Reward makes a Shop item useless (since not everybody necessarily does all the quests). It comes down to when you upgrade.

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Can the Arc Casters actually hit multiple enemies in group fights?
Nope, Shade nor you can hit more then one enemy.
If you hurried to Uveto, you technically could have the Akkadi Armored Depthsuit,
Funny thing is I have done that before because I want to be a FrostWyrm and the Chaingun and Laser Gatling gun worked quite well, but its impractical as hell to go through all that just to use it.
Also, is it me, or does it seem like it should do Drug damage instead of Corrosive, given the description
"a potent cocktail of red venom, sedatives, and aphrodisiacs" Best I can find for why it would be corrosive is that all the components are acidic and thus all the weak acids come together and make it corrosive.
The game isn't hard enough to make it matter.
I would love a hard mode for the game. I know Fen talked about adding one but I don't know where that idea went or if it is still happening.
ALM is a quest reward in two quests.
I always forget about Riya quest, but I swear that juggernaut feels like they are on steroids compared to the Kara quest one.
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Thanks. Also i'm doing Uveto here some time soon just need to do some testing.
 

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I would love a hard mode for the game. I know Fen talked about adding one but I don't know where that idea went or if it is still happening.
The game would probably be a lot harder if we didn't have the opportunity to max out all stats. That said, I've heard of (at least two?) level one playthrough(s).
I always forget about Riya quest, but I swear that juggernaut feels like they are on steroids compared to the Kara quest one.
Steele & Kara vs 1 Pirate Juggernaut.
Steele vs 1 Pirate Juggernaut & 2 Security Drones.
 
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at least two?)
I know Null did one that got stuck on Ugbolg till they reworked the tease system, who did the other one?
The game would probably be a lot harder if we didn't have the opportunity to max out all stats.
You know I have done the first few combat planets First-14, Mhen'ga, Tarkus, Myrellion, and Uveto with low stats. Each class has its struggle at the levels you do the planets but all the lower stats do to me seems to be heavily doubling down on role your class was made for and hoping for RNG to be in your favor. Merc needs to tank and be using their ability's to do damage, smuggler needs to debuff the enemy and dodge tank, and tech is harder since the freeze status nerf with melee getting hit more often and ranged needs help from a drone but you want to be shield tanking so you don't die. Also as we know you can just win by teaseing but where the fun in that?
 

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To start ill be excluding some thing that on planet like the Siege of the Korg’ii Hold, Chaurmine, and the Frostwyrm and all the items they give as to keep to a general level of 7-8 as starting with level 9 you start to get Zhang Shi tier items, also the Akane quest and Shizuya will also be left out and covered in my next hit Journey to Zhang Shi.

Melee:
Now I can not with my biases give one of these a leg up over the other, because trading 2 accuracy and 1 damage for minus 4 crit bonus and 1 damage should really be on the person and how they feel about their accuracy. The only time I did use these were to abuse glacial state as I feel other weapons do what these do better, Even if its the only weapon that does real crushing damage bar the Light Savicite Maul.
Going by order by which you do the planets Uveto comes after Myrellion, this is shown with how you interact with Shade. Now if you finished with the 3rd probe and are taking a detour to Uveto your will already have a better spear in the Queens spear and the only other spear is special because it deals frost damage while the Essyra Greatspear is juts a glorified spear from Mhen'ga.
I must start off with these are some of my favorite melee weapons in the game, up there with the Custom Shock Gear, Saurmorian Hammer, and Dancing Flashblade. But man do these suck compared to the Thermal Scalpel and HardLight Dagger, both of them are just better overall weapons and have better stats stuck to them.

Ranged Weapons:
So these weapons I have nothing positive to say about them because you should just use the Black Light Rifle. To elaborate the SunFire Rifle does worse damage overall for a DoT and the Plasma Bore gives you minus 3 evasion and only 2 more damage points, they also both can't crit. Lastly the Apollo Plasma Rifle's only benefit is plus 4 damage over the Black Light and of course a DoT, now its does not have the laser tag but how many enemies really have the mirrored tag around this planet?
Other then this being a funny Dark Souls GreatBow in my head why would you use this over the other bows? The Hardlight Bow is better. Now I do know that I'm making a semi unfair comparison but why use this over the Aegis or the StormBull when they have better damage and stats even if the latter has worse evasion.
Worse NaN Deconstructor and the Crucifer Spitter does a better job with it being a rare poison weapon and have better stats even those it lacks the Vampiric tag.

Armor:
So frankly there are quite a few armor's that stand out to me as underpowered or outclassed by others such as Thermal Jacket, Insulated Coat, Hide Vest & Breeches, Classy Suit, and Thermal Bodysuit. They all are Outclassed in resistances or stats, like most have low freeze resist, 5 defense and 5 resolve or a mix with sexiness in a ratio of 3 to 2, and stats low enough to be eked out by other armor's you can just buy.
I always thought this Armor was better then the Winter Gear because of the burning and pheromone weakness but looking around none of the standard mobs use those attacks making the plus 46 health and electric resist worth it.

Accessories:
This is a worse Nog'wich and it can even attack you.
I would rather use anything else.

Next time on unless items all the level 9-10 stuff before Dhaal,
 

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Now I can not with my biases give one of these a leg up over the other, because trading 2 accuracy and 1 damage for minus 4 crit bonus and 1 damage should really be on the person and how they feel about their accuracy. The only time I did use these were to abuse glacial state as I feel other weapons do what these do better, Even if its the only weapon that does real crushing damage bar the Light Savicite Maul.
By 'Glacial', do you mean Deep Freeze? I used them to cheese the Janeria fight with low Physique on a Melee Tech Specialist. Now that it's been nerfed, I don't know what I'll do.
Going by order by which you do the planets Uveto comes after Myrellion, this is shown with how you interact with Shade. Now if you finished with the 3rd probe and are taking a detour to Uveto your will already have a better spear in the Queens spear and the only other spear is special because it deals frost damage while the Essyra Greatspear is juts a glorified spear from Mhen'ga.
Taivra's Spear isn't guaranteed. If you marry her, you don't get her Spear.
I must start off with these are some of my favorite melee weapons in the game, up there with the Custom Shock Gear, Saurmorian Hammer, and Dancing Flashblade. But man do these suck compared to the Thermal Scalpel and HardLight Dagger, both of them are just better overall weapons and have better stats stuck to them.
Predator Talons do have Bonus Hit Rate. Given that the 2nd attack has 55% accuracy (unmodified by stats), that's actually pretty good.
So these weapons I have nothing positive to say about them because you should just use the Black Light Rifle. To elaborate the SunFire Rifle does worse damage overall for a DoT and the Plasma Bore gives you minus 3 evasion and only 2 more damage points, they also both can't crit. Lastly the Apollo Plasma Rifle's only benefit is plus 4 damage over the Black Light and of course a DoT, now its does not have the laser tag but how many enemies really have the mirrored tag around this planet?
Yeah, 'Cannot Crit' is a huge downside. Such weapons need a major advantage to be worth it. Something like significantly higher base damage, Stun Chance or Bonus Hit Rate.
Worse NaN Deconstructor and the Crucifer Spitter does a better job with it being a rare poison weapon and have better stats even those it lacks the Vampiric tag.
I've wondered if NaN Deconstructor having 'Vampiric' is a bug. I've never asked.
So frankly there are quite a few armor's that stand out to me as underpowered or outclassed by others such as Thermal Jacket, Insulated Coat, Hide Vest & Breeches, Classy Suit, and Thermal Bodysuit. They all are Outclassed in resistances or stats, like most have low freeze resist, 5 defense and 5 resolve or a mix with sexiness in a ratio of 3 to 2, and stats low enough to be eked out by other armor's you can just buy.
Thermal Jacket is extremely cheap, so you can't really compare it to items that cost 50x more. Insulated Coat gives +1 Inventory Slot, which is at least unique. Classy Suit is the cheapest item with the 'Classy' flag. But you have to know the Dhaal Party is coming.
Until Sophora, the only major benefit to Freezing Resistance is negating Uveto's Cold damage. Thermal Packs make pretty much all other solutions obsolete. But that's a gripe against Thermal Packs.
I always thought this Armor was better then the Winter Gear because of the burning and pheromone weakness but looking around none of the standard mobs use those attacks making the plus 46 health and electric resist worth it.
Why is 'Winter Gear' Sexier than 'Sleek Parka'?
This is a worse Nog'wich and it can even attack you.
While I haven't used it much, I don't think I've ever seen it attack you. It could probably use an increase in attack rate.
I would rather use anything else.
It does make the Drone not a strict liability during the Janeria fight. I do think it could use another look, since having both weaknesses for a Damage Type change isn't worth it. Drones are getting a rework, though. We'll see how that turns out.