The New Importance of Teasing

[Flower Boi Vin]

I'm not a particularly combat heavy player, so at the moment I'm at a loss with how teasing works for the combat changes. Typically when a new quest or dungeon comes out I have a few saves and play it through a couple of times before cementing my decision, right now I don't have any extensive fights to try it out on. I could play the game and see for myself but I'd like to hear from someone who actually knows how it works instead of me guessing.

Also the Razorcup Nectar I saved up feels useless now.

 

[Savin]

Now teasing damage Health instead of Resolve (which no longer exists).

Enemy resistances and vulnerabilities are unchanged; if something was immune or resistant to Tease attacks, that still applies, and vice versa. The only thing that's significantly different is that now ALL damage regardless of type applies to the same health bar.

 

[Balaknightfang]

Also the Razorcup Nectar I saved up feels useless now.

Don't worry, I'm workshopping changes to it to make it valuable again; I just didn't want to rush that out and make something that's on either end of the "dogshit/absurdly OP" scale.

 

[Shrike675]

You got my note about making it render the player invulnerable for a few turns in combat right

 

[Lotus]

Now teasing damage Health instead of Resolve (which no longer exists).

Enemy resistances and vulnerabilities are unchanged; if something was immune or resistant to Tease attacks, that still applies, and vice versa. The only thing that's significantly different is that now ALL damage regardless of type applies to the same health bar.

If I understood this clearly: a boss with high damage resistance/avoidance can be made horny to death instead.

HERE I GO DEFEATING THE KITSUNE DUNGEON BY FLASHING FLESH AGAIN! Streaking is still OP!

 

[WolframL]

If I understood this clearly: a boss with high damage resistance/avoidance can be made horny to death instead.

That's how it always worked, it's just that now everything hits the same health pool instead of having two separate bars. It does remove the visual clue for how you're meant to deal with Miko and Mai for example, but since Sense is now a guaranteed thing you can still work out their trick without too much difficulty.

 

[Lotus]

That's how it always worked, it's just that now everything hits the same health pool instead of having two separate bars.

Of course, but it's better now.
Before (because I never used sense) I would usually discover I was dealing next to no damage before I switched to teasing, but now the little damage I did do before I changed tactics will still be useful because it is that much less health I need to bring down before I defeat the enemy.

Overall a 10/10 design choice. I would however argue that resolve should be the new name for health. After all, unless this game uses nosebleed logic having Cait flash her nips shouldn't reduce the health points of the enemy. This new change makes letting companions control themselves better since their actions matter a little less since they are still being useful, if not necessarily the most efficient.

 

[Balaknightfang]

Overall a 10/10 design choice. I would however argue that resolve should be the new name for health. After all, unless this game uses nosebleed logic having Cait flash her nips shouldn't reduce the health points of the enemy. This new change makes letting companions control themselves better since their actions matter a little less since they are still being useful, if not necessarily the most efficient.

Quoting myself on this subject:

I’d thought about that tbh, but I felt it was easier to convey its overall role by maintaining the HP name instead, which is important for any new players. Functionally, you’re absolutely right, and I’ll probably write something in the codex to the equivalent of “health in this game is an abstraction of a character’s willingness and ability to continue fighting, which is why such a broad variety of abilities target the same bar.”

 

[wery12345]

That's how it always worked, it's just that now everything hits the same health pool instead of having two separate bars. It does remove the visual clue for how you're meant to deal with Miko and Mai for example, but since Sense is now a guaranteed thing you can still work out their trick without too much difficulty.

You know, sometimes I forget there sexually charged, I have always fought them with violence.

 

[IraMorti]

Quoting myself on this subject:

That would be a nice way to explain it considering in most games loss of all HP is death rather than just defeat. Which is probably where the initial gripe was about.

 

[Alypia]

That would be a nice way to explain it considering in most games loss of all HP is death rather than just defeat. Which is probably where the initial gripe was about.

I mean, on the one hand, sure. On the other hand, loss of all HP in this game has always meant defeat, where death only comes via specific bad ends for specific unique dungeon NPCs.

 

[Ireyon]

You got my note about making it render the player invulnerable for a few turns in combat right

That's just going to make it part of the Elixir paradox: Useful, therefore never use.

 

[Ireyon]

You know, sometimes I forget there sexually charged, I have always fought them with violence.

They are? Huh. I always cast spells and beat them into a pulp. So we were supposed to tease them like Elthara?

I just used my trusty Thot-b-gone greatsword...

 

[pinkcaitgang]

I feel like my charmer character is stronger than pre-patch and I like it

 

[Aelana]

I feel like my charmer character is stronger than pre-patch and I like it

I am still on the fence about it. I don't think charmer got a true buff, but tease damage now synergizes with normal damage, where before it didn't.

The good part is now my charmer synergizes with everybody and i don't need to built a team for teasing.

The bad part is my team choices matter less, because my charmer synergizes with everybody.

I dunno yet, but song of splendor has become less useful, which is the best thing that happened for tease builds. It is still strong, but not mandatory.