The Jack/Jill Steele Run

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So I made up this very stupid run idea a long time ago while I was idly playing the game out of boredom, and so I've decided to post about it after I finally made it to Dhaal after failing a metric fuck ton of times. I'll post a guide as on how to do it as well here.

First however, some rules for this challenge to those that dare attempt it:

1. You are not allowed to be penetrated. If you are penetrated, you have failed the run and must reload a save, or restart the game.
2. You are not allowed to level up, as you are perfect exactly the way you are. This means that you cannot sleep, as sleeping forces you to level up, thereby increasing your max HP. I would allow leveling up to take drone only stuff, but it isn't quite fully the same as having somebody else fight for you, and having already done a drone only run, it isn't any different from this, except that you stonewall at Urbolg, since your drone struggles immensely from taking down his shields at this point.
3. You must have no more than 1 crewmember, that of which being Anno. You can go without Anno if you want, but Anno is a crewmember mainly for convenience in regards to later parts of the run. You can get Sera/Reaha as long as you treat them as beneath you.
4. You need to have a cock to impregnate the Raskvel Female 5 times, or 5 other NPCs, as it would unlock Breedwell. This rule is entirely optional as it may be possible to do the entire run without a cock, but you'll find that your money is very, very small in size, and it may be unreasonable to grind enemy encounters for so long since that and selling crystals is the only way, and even attempting to get crystals will be dangerous as of the current patch.
5. You cannot, by any means, be subservient or a slut, as you're too prudish for it. You can have no more than 1 orgasm per day (variant get around: You can only relieve your lust with your crewmate(s) on ship, and fuck others in safe places.), so you better stock up on Focus Pills. You also cannot walk in public spaces while covered in cum.
6. With the exception of the Nova Crew and saving Ula (because Lust Toxin doesn't work the same as an Aphro Daisy for some reason, if Lust Toxin is changed to be the same as Aphro Daisy's item type, do not save Ula.), you may not help others even if it is to your future benefit. You will kill Taivara and Olympia. If you can achieve a Good End without sparing the Nova crew/Saving Ula, more power to you, but Gray Goo Armor will more than likely be necessary for unresistable tease spam.
7. You are not allowed to gain new perks or become visibly inhuman. You cannot grow/have wings no matter what, and you're not allowed to take the Treatment.
8. The only way to achieve success in this run is by achieving a Good End or the InsemPro along with the dick necessary to farm it out with. Since the InsemPro would allow you to generate enough cum to have a massive amount of perfectly safe and legal money generated per day (Roughly around the amount of cash Alex has on them) after Vanae Cum is modded into your system (mod yourself back to near your original race ASAP though) in Breedwell, you can have the run end here if you wish, since by all technicality you would be able to get rich enough to live a comfortable, long life.
9. You will not be insulted. You are not allowed to run away from a fight, and must always fight when prompted.
10. You cannot increase your stats beyond what is given in the character creation. This rule is also optional, but having reduced chances when you already have really low chances sucks pretty bad.
11. No cheats. This should be self-explanatory, you naturally should be limited to items you can only get in the planet progression.


Now with the rules out of the way, here's what you need to know if you wanna succeed...

1. Choose any starting race that does not have wings. If you wanna stick to the whole "being the rival" thing, then become a human with blonde hair and blue eyes. Gender can be whatever.
2. Take Ice Cold. Ice Cold will increase your tease damage the stronger your willpower is, which will be useful for Mhen'ga only.
3. Choose Tech Specialist. It is mandatory that you take Tech Specialist, as you cannot win the Dane encounter without stun-locking Dane, since your shields and HP will be depleted faster than Kiro after Kiro Quest 2 can cum. Since you also have no combat drone at level one much less a good one, you effectively have to do this.
4. Make yourself STD immune with Tika. Getting an STD will still count as violating rule 5. Although STDs won't seem like a problem if you're never gonna fuck anyone, the Bothrioc Pidemme can still transmit it to you when you sit and let Tamwolf beat the Bothrioc up. You can also get Dr. Lash's help instead, but it's generally better to get it out of the way as soon as possible.
5. Buy a bimbo siegwulfe. They will hit the enemy with tease damage, which is absolutely necessary. (Incorrect information, siegwulfe is level-locked.)
6. Buy a metric fuck ton of EMP grenades. This may seem like a waste of credits, but EMP grenades will be more reliable than anything else you buy, as they act in the same manner as Carpet Grenades. Since your stats will suck, it'd be more reliable to use those over literally anything else, even if you will waste tons of them per battle.
7. Seek out shield increasing items. These will be necessary if you wanna use the B.D.S or the S.D.S, which will make encounters a breeze.
8. Get yourself a Vamp Blade & Warden Shield. This will be especially useful and necessary in the Urbolg fight unless you've done everything you physically could to boost your shields. In my case, I lusted Urbolg out with Gray Goo Armor spam... after a kajillion attempts, and with several times of him not giving up at 80 lust like he should be.
9. It should go without saying, but Atma armor is mandatory here, or something airtight. It'll make it so that you won't get destroyed by Bothrioc Pidemme foes as unfortunately they are hard-coded to keep attempting to slather you with oil, allowing your Tamwolf to rip them to shreds while you do nothing for what will indefinitely be 220+ turns later. It'll also make the Vanae have to grapple you if they wanna increase your lust, potentially allowing you to fight them long enough to win.
10. On note of Tamwolf, pick up Tamwolf.
11. Keep the Platinum 190. You need it to get past the guards, otherwise you cannot beat them.
12. Free Dane from his cage. This will give you the actual fighting chance you need as you do nothing but spam EMP grenades.
13. For the final fight, you WILL need Aphro Daisies. This is the "only" lust grenade you can get before Dhaal. After that, it is smooth sailing. I would've thought Lusttoxin from the Myrellion Quest would've worked, but it doesn't count as a grenade when it obviously should, as it is releasing pheromones like the Aphro Daisy is.

That's about it from there. If you truly want to attempt this challenge, have fun resigning yourself to this torture, as Mhen'ga will be your most immediate hurdle, with Dane being the biggest challenge. You don't have many options, as obviously the game expects you to actually sleep, even if you don't take perks or raise your stats. The only option is to make yourself really use your money.

And don't even try to win against the Praetorians legitimately. There is absolutely no chance in doing so, the chances of winning are most definitely abysmal.

Done some edits throughout all of these for some clarifications(and was busy with IRL stuff in-between).

If anyone wants to try and break more progress than I've already made, file here.
 

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7. You are not allowed to gain new perks or become inhuman. You cannot grow wings no matter what, and you're not allowed to take the Treatment.
Jack/Jill gets a custom cat mod for the Dhaal party.
5. Buy a bimbo siegwulfe. They will hit the enemy with tease damage, which is absolutely necessary
Isn't the Bimbo Sigewulfe level locked? How are you buying it at level 1?
6. Buy a metric fuck ton of EMP grenades. This may seem like a waste of credits, but EMP grenades will be more reliable than anything else you buy, as they act in the same manner as Carpet Grenades.
EMP Grenades are bugged right now and don't Stun half the enemies they should.
8. The only way to achieve success in this run is by achieving a Good End or the InsemPro along with the dick necessary to farm it out with. Since the InsemPro would allow you to generate enough cum to have a massive amount of money generated per day (Roughly around the amount of cash Alex has on them) after Vanae Cum is modded into your system (mod yourself back to near your original race ASAP though) in Breedwell, you can have the run end here if you wish, since by all technicality you would be able to get rich enough to live a comfortable, long life.
If the victory condition is stupid amounts of money, Custom Bet Blackjack is earlier. Prior to that, farming Sex Bots for Hammer Shields (and Spunkshroom rare drops) should be pretty lucrative. I've found they actually go down fairly easy to the Electrified Shock Blade with 3 Physique. If you have max Intelligence, you should have a `60% success rate with bets at the Uveto Stadium.
 
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Jack/Jill gets a custom cat mod for the Dhaal party.

Isn't the Bimbo Sigewulfe level locked? How are you buying it at level 1?

EMP Grenades are bugged right now and don't Stun half the enemies they should.

If the victory condition is stupid amounts of money, Custom Bet Blackjack is earlier. Prior to that, farming Sex Bots for Hammer Shields (and Spunkshroom rare drops) should be pretty lucrative. I've found they actually go down fairly easy to the Electrified Shock Blade with 3 Physique.
I also said any starting race except those with wings(Gryvain and Suula). The main point is to not take mods that would give your character combat traits that the rival doesn't have.

Apparently it isn't possible to buy it at level 1, mb! I just saw it on the wiki and thought to include it. It has actually been a while since I attempted this run because I spent whole weeks on it attempting to get past the Praetorians myself. There had been moments where I was close, but it is statistically impossible to beat them.

The EMP grenades are for damage. You'll find that you basically cannot beat any foe whatsoever without higher stats and level, since tease falls off very quickly. They bypass the blind condition, and allow you to deal a decent amount of damage to enemies. Which you will need for the Taivara fight, as she'll blind you as well has spam lust attacks, making it hard to fight her. And you need to hope Dane will step in and defeat her.

And correction on the victory condition: Perfectly safe way of amassing massive amounts of money or a Good End. Custom Bet Blackjack and farming Sex Bots are still dangerous in their own right, and you also have to worry about the Gray Goo harassing you when farming Sex Bots, which risks penetration, and therefore too dangerous.
 

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And correction on the victory condition: Perfectly safe way of amassing massive amounts of money or a Good End. Custom Bet Blackjack and farming Sex Bots are still dangerous in their own right, and you also have to worry about the Gray Goo harassing you when farming Sex Bots, which risks penetration, and therefore too dangerous.
EMP Grenades should Stun Gray Goo (did in Flash, but don't now). That would make it a lot safer. Likewise, they don't Stun the Zheng Shi Mining Robots.
 
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EMP Grenades should Stun Gray Goo (did in Flash, but don't now). That would make it a lot safer. Likewise, they don't Stun the Zheng Shi Mining Robots.
A good point there, but it is kind of a full time job even if you make buds with Colenso/Anno. Not quite the same as just simply cumming out 150K-200K in a single day with plenty of free time.

Assuming you get really good RNG, or decide to only fight Gray Goo for a consistent credit output, that's about 8-13 Gray Goo Vials per hour, which sells out to 1,704 - 2,764 not including anonymous credits, which are about a fraction of that. Even assuming Motherhusk/Slutshroom (which are the superior ones to farm for as long as you have no penis) that's 15% out of roughly 100 encounters. That's about 66,336 credits per day along with about roughly 6000 credits extra, and however many Motherhusks/Slutshrooms you get.

Hammer shields have a 20% drop rate last I checked, so it is probably slower to include the Sex Bots in on the grind.

You also have to take EMP grenades into the consideration on the overall grind.

I guess it might be considered a valid win? Doesn't feel like a win in comparison to the InsemPro thing though.
 
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I mostly meant it as a way to get some seed money, especially if you want the Inseminator. It may or may not be better than spending lots of money for mods to increase semen production (and to change back) that will become redundant once you have the Inseminator.

There's another problem. IIRC, the Male Milker on New Texas includes a prostate massage, which means you take it up the ass. You can donate to Carrie and Cora, but you don't get paid for that.
 
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I mostly meant it as a way to get some seed money, especially if you want the Inseminator. It may or may not be better than spending lots of money for mods to increase semen production (and to change back) that will become redundant once you have the Inseminator.

There's another problem. IIRC, the Male Milker on New Texas includes a prostate massage, which means you take it up the ass. You can donate to Carrie and Cora, but you don't get paid for that.
On that note, it seems like you would 100% need to impregnate people in order to win.

I guess I'll have to include that having a virile dick is necessary. Or people could try this method you pointed out, although not as cool/doable as the InsemPro, which does the same thing except no grind and is done in an hour, so you have time to do other things.
 

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Personally, I've found that the Bored Jumpers are no threat so long as you have Airtight Armor (maybe it's different at level 1). Mining Robots can be dealt with via EMP Grenade spam (once the bug is fixed). If you don't add the Slavebreakers by freeing the slaves (and why would you?), your only problem is the Rats Raiders, who can be bribed with gems from the Mining Robots.
 

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Personally, I've found that the Bored Jumpers are no threat so long as you have Airtight Armor (maybe it's different at level 1). Mining Robots can be dealt with via EMP Grenade spam (once the bug is fixed). If you don't add the Slavebreakers by freeing the slaves (and why would you?), your only problem is the Rats Raiders, who can be bribed with gems from the Mining Robots.
You're right on that, not different at level 1. At most you get some damage, but B.D.S ensures victory.

Issue there however is the Rat Raiders, who will steal your credits if no gems... and it may be a risk fighting the bots. I haven't tried to fight them much seeing as they're not affected by lust.
 
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If the EMP Grenade bug gets fixed, Mining Robots should be trivial, since you can perma-Stun them. Just throw a Grenade every other round.
The Rat's Raiders appear 2 days after you arrive, so you should have some gems. Just don't sell all of them to Anno at once. On the other hand, Rule 9 might prevent that, depending on reading.

For crew, would it be appropriate to buy Reaha (but destroy her confidence so she remains an indentured servant) and Sera (removing her dick, obviously)?

Since you can help Ula, you can also stock up on Aphro Daisies.
 
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If the EMP Grenade bug gets fixed, Mining Robots should be trivial, since you can perma-Stun them. Just throw a Grenade every other round.
The Rat's Raiders appear 2 days after you arrive, so you should have some gems. Just don't sell all of them to Anno at once.

For crew, would it be appropriate to buy Reaha (but destroy her confidence so she remains an indentured servant) and Sera (removing her dick, obviously)?

Since you can help Ula, you can also stock up on Aphro Daisies.
That would be in line with what the Rival would do, so yeah, I'd say those are good exceptions to make. Paige can be another exception since she is a pirate, you can technically blackmail her in the future, and definitely owes you a huge debt (technically making her a debt slave) since her eyes were 500,000 credits, but who would grind for that instead of the InsemPro? More of a endgame thing where you've already won, I guess.

Also, it IS a risk to fight the Mining Robots, so until that bug gets fixed, not worth grinding on Zheng Shi either. This is all assuming Roz doesn't waltz on in and ruin your day, cause Roz is also another encounter you'd have to worry about, and as the rules state, you cannot run from Roz.
 
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5. You cannot, by any means, be subservient or a slut, as you're too prudish for it. You can have no more than 1 orgasm per day, so you better stock up on Focus Pills. You also cannot walk in public spaces while covered in cum.
I'm not sure how prudish the Cousin actually is. You can get an email with them in bed with a bunch of female Zil. If you're referencing the Cousin regulating Dane's masturbation, I'm thinking that's just enjoying having power over someone. And/or being prudish about other people's sex life.
I'd almost lean into 'I'm the heir to one of the richest men in the galaxy. I can get pussy any time I want'. Like no masturbation, but can fuck the harem on the ship any time, making reaching a Taxi station a big achievement, because you can go back and destress. Or defeated enemies only. Restrict to vaginal (no concern for contraception, leave a trail of bastards)? Anal? The roughest sex scene in the menu? Only if the enemy is subservient enough?
6. With the exception of the Nova Crew and saving Ula (because Lust Toxin doesn't work the same as an Aphro Daisy for some reason, if Lust Toxin is changed to be the same as Aphro Daisy's item type, do not save Ula.), you may not help others even if it is to your future benefit. You will kill Taivara and Olympia. If you can achieve a Good End without sparing the Nova crew/Saving Ula, more power to you, but Gray Goo Armor will more than likely be necessary for unresistable tease spam.
How are you getting to Uveto? Zaalt is out, since you're not answering Distress Calls (obviously, you'd kill him, too, if you did encounter him). Are you selling Kara out to Shade?
2. Take Ice Cold. Ice Cold will increase your tease damage the stronger your willpower is, which will be useful for Mhen'ga only.
I'm fairly certain Ice Cold simply inverts the Libido/Accuracy calculation. Willpower has nothing to do with it.
3. Choose Tech Specialist. It is mandatory that you take Tech Specialist, as you cannot win the Dane encounter without stun-locking Dane, since your shields and HP will be depleted faster than Kiro after Kiro Quest 2 can cum. Since you also have no combat drone at level one much less a good one, you effectively have to do this.
If you weren't forbidding leveling up, I like Drone Tech Specialist thematically. The Cousin stands back and lets the bodyguard do all the work. You could probably do something with that.
4. Make yourself STD immune with Tika. Getting an STD will still count as violating rule 5. Although STDs won't seem like a problem if you're never gonna fuck anyone, the Bothrioc Pidemme can still transmit it to you when you sit and let Tamwolf beat the Bothrioc up. You can also get Dr. Lash's help instead, but it's generally better to get it out of the way as soon as possible.
That's not limited to Bothrioc, it's a property of Sneezing Tits.
10. On note of Tamwolf, pick up Tamwolf.
Unfortunately, without Attack Drone, he'll be the damaged version (which has a miss chance), and you won't be able to repair him since you're not helping Kara. Or did they change that?

Also, sponsoring Bizzy gets you a (slow) safe, consistent income. Not sure if indenturing a pornstar counts as 'helping now for a payoff later' or if it falls under the same exception as Reaha and Sera.
 
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I'm not sure how prudish the Cousin actually is. You can get an email with them in bed with a bunch of female Zil. If you're referencing the Cousin regulating Dane's masturbation, I'm thinking that's just enjoying having power over someone. And/or being prudish about other people's sex life.
I'd almost lean into 'I'm the heir to one of the richest men in the galaxy. I can get pussy any time I want'. Like no masturbation, but can fuck the harem on the ship any time, making reaching a Taxi station a big achievement, because you can go back and destress. Or defeated enemies only. Restrict to vaginal (no concern for contraception, leave a trail of bastards)? Anal? The roughest sex scene in the menu? Only if the enemy is subservient enough?

How are you getting to Uveto? Zaalt is out, since you're not answering Distress Calls (obviously, you'd kill him, too, if you did encounter him). Are you selling Kara out to Shade?

I'm fairly certain Ice Cold simply inverts the Libido/Accuracy calculation. Willpower has nothing to do with it.

If you weren't forbidding leveling up, I like Drone Tech Specialist thematically. The Cousin stands back and lets the bodyguard do all the work. You could probably do something with that.

That's not limited to Bothrioc, it's a property of Sneezing Tits.

Unfortunately, without Attack Drone, he'll be the damaged version (which has a miss chance), and you won't be able to repair him since you're not helping Kara. Or did they change that?

Also, sponsoring Bizzy gets you a (slow) safe, consistent income. Not sure if indenturing a pornstar counts as 'helping now for a payoff later' or if it falls under the same exception as Reaha and Sera.
You need to have the Attack Drone perk in order to fix Tamwolf yes, but he'll still be useful against the Pidemmes, which are otherwise guaranteed Ls.

If you defeat Taivara regardless of the manner, Uveto unlocks regardless as you enter your ship due to the whole thing with Shade unless you attacked her, henceforth you can potentially get a Good End. I don't think it is at all possible to defeat the Frostwyrm at level 1, though. This also means you can complete Kara Quest, but like with everything else, good luck doing that.

A good enough point with the masturbation thing I guess. I just wanted to impose an extra little challenge, so I'll write that down as a variant.

I completely forgot about Bizzy being available tbh. However, she is still too slow of an income, giving you at maximum 8000-14000 per month, which boils down to 250-450 a day. A nice side-objective though.

I didn't read the Ice Cold perk tbh. I just know it is definitely necessary if you wanna beat some of the earlier encounters, such as the Vanae & Naleen fights.
 
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