Reworking from class/level to an ability tree system

VerySexyGrammar

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As much as I despise D&D 4th Edition as a Pen-and-Paper RPG system, I've got to agree with Savin on both counts: it *is* surprisingly close to how TiTS currently handles abilities (but indeed does it better), and it *is* probably what best matches the game's needs. I think something like modifying/replacing basic attacks based on class/perk and making most active abilities one-time uses per battle (or on cooldown; as long as there's no long-term cost) would work well. Leaving Energy as the "big" resource you have to manage for super serious fights only would be fine, though you'd also want to remove the whole "Sex costs Energy" thing because, to be blunt, it's a terrible fit for a sex game.

Concerning progression... if we want to stay as close to the current system as possible, then I'd suggest expanding on the whole perk choice system. That's how TiTS currently works, really; you pick between two perks (you can only get one of them) and it changes the way your character functions.

It could work for classes. I recently brought up how I like that the Tech Spec class is able to branch into two different directions (Drone Combat or Shields) with a simple perk selection, and I think this could be a very simple, efficient and easily balanced way to improve the class system by generating virtual "subclasses" or "builds" (Drone Tech VS Shield Tech).

You could just leave it as-is (choice between two perks every level), but incidentally, it introduces a way to create a tree-like progression: every x levels, classes could pick between two "major" perks (again like the Drone VS Shield choice) that have a strong impact on how the class is played, and if you make those perks dependent on the previous "major" perk chosen, you now have tree-like progression. You make players choose at level 5 and level 10, for example, and suddenly you have four different major builds, with other, "minor" perks letting players choose between active abilities and such.

There could be a parallel perk system available to all classes for things like weapon/armor/style specialization and such, to avoid making weapon types too "exclusive" to some classes and to avoid overloading class perk selection with general stuff that doesn't need to be there. Primitive VS High-Tech, Kinetic VS Energy, Brute Force VS Finesse, Light Armor VS Heavy Armor and whatever other sort of generic customization you'd expect to see in an RPG.

Right now, some perk choices are incredibly defining while others are mostly irrelevant, seemingly at random. I think we need better structure and consistence.

Plenty of other systems I'd be totally OK with, I'm just trying to stay as close as possible to the current game with those suggestions.
 

TheDarkMaster

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The biggest flaw I can see with the AEDU plan is that it doesn't really change the way you do fights all that much.  Instead of doing nothing but attack/shoot, you open with your encounter skill before doing nothing but attack/shoot.  Without a detailed combat situation (ie: character positioning) or party combat it is really hard to make that kind of a system work well.  The energy limit feels like it's the real issue.  It's a holdover from when you could essentially rest at any time since you got kicked back to camp after each encounter and dungeons never changed if you left them early.
 

Savin

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The biggest flaw I can see with the AEDU plan is that it doesn't really change the way you do fights all that much.  Instead of doing nothing but attack/shoot, you open with your encounter skill before doing nothing but attack/shoot. 

That's a fair point, actually. Putting "encounter" powers as some sort of 2-4 turn cooldown might work better in the TiTS context -- that way you're still using basic attacks sometimes, but it's not just two powers per fight and then shoot-spam. 
 

Couch

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The habit of opening with encounters is a known flaw of AEDU design, yes.  4E overcomes it by giving you enough encounters that by level 8 or so you'll only really use your at-will once or twice.

Pokemon Tabletop United offers a similar system of At-Will, Every Other Turn, Scene, Daily, which is more like a cooldown system.
 

EmperorG

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My absolute favourite progression system is a pure perk based shared tree. For example: Path Of Exile's Massive skill tree.

By the gods that's a huge tree! Just clicking only the Int boosting stuff will raise you to 750 or so Int! That tree is liable to give someone a brain aneurysm just from deciding what to pick.