Project M-PR3G: Experimental Mod for Male Pregnancy Content

[Quiet Browser]

So... unsure of this, because I've been away from here for a long time. Long story short, this was intended to be a quick, easy-to-implement expansion for the game that would allow for players to experience pregnancy content without needing to add a vagina to their character. I have filled out the form in the sticky, I've PMed Savin, so... yeah, I don't know what to do now, which is why I'm posting here.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W2UC-k_iSc7rptru-PSAkR0PQiId0VwkW9PPfEjISFk/edit#

 

[Xeivous]

I'm nowhere near any kind of expert with the code, but if mpreg does turn out to be easy to code I'll be shocked.

Also love the mention about breeders wanting to feel like anal isn't a waste of time.

 

[SoAndSo]

How is this going to account for every scene that exists that (by their nature) is/are vag-specific? That'd mean an awful lot of re-writes to existing scenes to make it work without reading weirdly.

Suddenly assholes might have clits and the 'labial folds of [pc.asshole]', etc etc might start popping up. @_@

 

[Savin]

I have filled out the form in the sticky, I've PMed Savin, so... yeah, I don't know what to do now

You wait. Considering we're doing Zheng Shi I doubt Fen's going to get around to this any time soon.

 

[Quiet Browser]

How is this going to account for every scene that exists that (by their nature) is/are vag-specific? That'd mean an awful lot of re-writes to existing scenes to make it work without reading weirdly. Suddenly assholes might have clits and the 'labial folds of [pc.asshole]', etc etc might start popping up. @_@

This mod doesn't change sex scenes. What it does is that, if you have PC-penetrated anal sex with an NPC which is capable of producing a pregnancy, that act of anal sex causes a pregnancy check to be made as if you had engaged in normal vaginal sex. It doesn't switch anal sex for vaginal, it lets you get knocked up BY anal. Does that explain things?

You wait. Considering we're doing Zheng Shi I doubt Fen's going to get around to this any time soon.

Okay. Thanks for letting me know that I've taken the proper steps to submit. I guess I'll just sit back and wait, unless others point out coding errors or characterization flaws I need to address in the doc as it stands so far.

 

[SoAndSo]

This mod doesn't change sex scenes. What it does is that, if you have PC-penetrated anal sex with an NPC which is capable of producing a pregnancy, that act of anal sex causes a pregnancy check to be made as if you had engaged in normal vaginal sex. It doesn't switch anal sex for vaginal, it lets you get knocked up BY anal. Does that explain things?

Yes

BUT

My point has barely changed: some scenes are so tailor made that pregnancy ONLY triggers from doing these scenes (Sera pregnancy route for instance). Like, sure you could jimmy around the mechanics of which scene triggers pregnancy but then people who want that specific impregnation scene won't be reading it without there being weird stuff happening.

For instance, dom Sera's big preg scene is a straight up vag-description fest. Will you be asking Nonesuch to add in bits to accommodate for mpreg? That's what I wanna know.

 

[Quiet Browser]

Yes

BUT

My point has barely changed: some scenes are so tailor made that pregnancy ONLY triggers from doing these scenes (Sera pregnancy route for instance). Like, sure you could jimmy around the mechanics of which scene triggers pregnancy but then people who want that specific impregnation scene won't be reading it without there being weird stuff happening.

For instance, dom Sera's big preg scene is a straight up vag-description fest. Will you be asking Nonesuch to add in bits to accommodate for mpreg? That's what I wanna know.

Ah. I see. Now I understand your point.

To be honest, I'm not even sure that this submission will get in. At any moment now, Savin or Fenoxo could come along with either an "this kind of add-in cannot be coded" or a "this kind of content is not allowed in TiTS", and that'll be the end of that.

If it does get in? I am not going to force other writers to add in bits to accomodate. So, characters who have a tailored vag-exclusive breeding scene will, sadly, be unavailable unless their author is okay with adding an anal sex version of that scene.

So, by default, if this somehow gets added, your mpreg character will be able to get knocked up by Zephyr, but won't be able to get bred by Sera. I intend to leave it to the fans and authors to decide if they want to tailor their very specific breeding routes to let mpreggable Steeles partake. Nonesuch might be okay with it. They might absolutely be disgusted by it. I don't have the authority to ask them to add in further support; my role ends with just letting this content get into the game in the first place. Once it's in, it's up to the other authors if they are okay with writing, or allowing others to write, anal versions of their breeding scenes.

Does that explain things?

 

[SoAndSo]

Ye, cheers.

 

[Quiet Browser]

Ye, cheers.

Speaking of specialized breeding NPCs, your avatar-character submission is one such character, right? If this mod makes it into the game, would you consider an alternative scene for a mpreg capable Steele to bear her first child?

 

[SoAndSo]

Speaking of specialized breeding NPCs, your avatar-character submission is one such character, right? If this mod makes it into the game, would you consider an alternative scene for a mpreg capable Steele to bear her first child?

I don't have any plans for pregnancy with Maike atm, I don't know if I'd say she'd eventually have it either. I would probably accommodate it if I went down that route but I'm not seeing that path happening.

 

[QuietCoyote]

as someone who has worked with preg code, i can pretty much tell you to take one of two options:

A. project Mpreg COMPLETELY removes all options to get a vagina/womb, because otherwise you'd be balancing 2 pregnancies in 2 completely different areas (problems would include having to go through the previous pregging scenes and re-write them so that anal triggers pregnancy)

B. limit it to specific scenes based on completely new encounters (limits your options, but makes it so you don't have to re-write anything)

overall, the development of this game is very, very, very far in, so retroactively adding a male pregnancy is a tall task to do correctly. i wish you the best, but don't hold your breath.

 

[Quiet Browser]

as someone who has worked with preg code, i can pretty much tell you to take one of two options:

A. project Mpreg COMPLETELY removes all options to get a vagina/womb, because otherwise you'd be balancing 2 pregnancies in 2 completely different areas (problems would include having to go through the previous pregging scenes and re-write them so that anal triggers pregnancy)

B. limit it to specific scenes based on completely new encounters (limits your options, but makes it so you don't have to re-write anything)

overall, the development of this game is very, very, very far in, so retroactively adding a male pregnancy is a tall task to do correctly. i wish you the best, but don't hold your breath.

From my, admittedly limited understanding, and what I was told, the game already lets you have simultaneous pregnancies, via the various oviduction-type anal pregnancies. At the very least, the code exists to handle what happens if you try to get pregnant whilst already pregnant.

What this mod does is simple: when you have anal sex with a creature that can cause a vaginal pregnancy, a pregnancy check is still made, despite the anal sex. If you are already pregnant, you can't get pregnant again. Same as if you try breeding whilst already being pregnant. It should be a fairly simple addition to the basic pregnancy code.

 

[QuietCoyote]

From my, admittedly limited understanding, and what I was told, the game already lets you have simultaneous pregnancies, via the various oviduction-type anal pregnancies. At the very least, the code exists to handle what happens if you try to get pregnant whilst already pregnant.

What this mod does is simple: when you have anal sex with a creature that can cause a vaginal pregnancy, a pregnancy check is still made, despite the anal sex. If you are already pregnant, you can't get pregnant again. Same as if you try breeding whilst already being pregnant. It should be a fairly simple addition to the basic pregnancy code.

i'm very well aware of the multiple types of pregnancies, but those are different due to them also being a similar status. to put it into different words, you're saying it's "shake this guy's hand, shake this other guy's hand, everything's fine" while i'm trying to say it's more "shake this guy's hand, kiss this guy on the mouth, oh god everything is on fire now because i needed to shake his hand"


the way multi-womb and multi-vag works is it simply duplicates the handler for the pregnancy of one womb into another womb. what needs to happen with Mpreg is you need an entirely separate handler for it, otherwise you'll be having anal sex and birthing through a mysterious vagina.

 

[Esh]

While it'll be a pain to add in impregnation into some anal scenes, or write entire impregnation scenes, it would be relatively easy to fix things with a lockout. Take Sera, for example. It wouldn't be difficult to have a check to see if your character has a vagina, and if not, it could send you to a simple and short rejection blurb along the lines of "come back here with a vagina". Slave Sera could have that circumvented in a different way, but given that she's a slave, one would figure if she's already off sterilex that her regular anal scene/s would work as the mod is normally intended to work.

As for the problem of birthing, I see a number of solutions that, while requiring some decent amount of work, wouldn't be massive pains requiring a complete rewrite of all births:

• It could circumvent normal birthing by instead slowly immobilizing the character then forcing an immobility scene, like giant balls do, for example. Then, it could use the usual clinic-related handwave scene of being given a hypo and knocked out for the process.
• It could circumvent the normal birthing scenes with a one-size-fits-all anal birthing scene
• There could be a one-size-fits-all scene AND options for custom-written births.

 

[QuietCoyote]

While it'll be a pain to add in impregnation into some anal scenes, or write entire impregnation scenes, it would be relatively easy to fix things with a lockout. Take Sera, for example. It wouldn't be difficult to have a check to see if your character has a vagina, and if not, it could send you to a simple and short rejection blurb along the lines of "come back here with a vagina". Slave Sera could have that circumvented in a different way, but given that she's a slave, one would figure if she's already off sterilex that her regular anal scene/s would work as the mod is normally intended to work.

As for the problem of birthing, I see a number of solutions that, while requiring some decent amount of work, wouldn't be massive pains requiring a complete rewrite of all births:

• It could circumvent normal birthing by instead slowly immobilizing the character then forcing an immobility scene, like giant balls do, for example. Then, it could use the usual clinic-related handwave scene of being given a hypo and knocked out for the process.
• It could circumvent the normal birthing scenes with a one-size-fits-all anal birthing scene
• There could be a one-size-fits-all scene AND options for custom-written births.

that's all fine in theory, but that brings it back to my original point: who's gonna play it? Male Pregnancy is a very niche fetish, and while you surely could make it, and have it function how you want it to, the answer always doubles back to who will play it. if you want to dedicate your time to it, fine, but don't expect many results from it.

 

[Esh]

that's all fine in theory, but that brings it back to my original point: who's gonna play it? Male Pregnancy is a very niche fetish, and while you surely could make it, and have it function how you want it to, the answer always doubles back to who will play it. if you want to dedicate your time to it, fine, but don't expect many results from it.

Mpreg? A niche fetish? Have you ever looked at fanfiction? It's a fantasy for gender-nonconforming people of all genders, of queers and bisexuals, of exclusive homosexuals... there are entire distinct GENRES of mpreg (I'm looking at you, ABO), and one of the specific genres is "men in space future reproducing without the middle(wo)man.

There's significant fetish overlap with involuntary transformation, bimbofication, and sissification but without the uncomfortable nature of losing your personal identity, because pregnancy hijacks you without overtly forcing you to become Something Else Entirely. It's a status condition, not a transformation, essentially, and also hugely tied in with BDSM power dynamics, which is gonna appeal to people into BDSM too, even if they're not especially fans of preg content. Plus, people like things when they're subversive or especially unexpected, and I can totally see people wanting to potentially write revenge-porn based on dosing character/s (not even necessarily MALES) and then knocking them up in the ass (which wouldn't work for sterilex-takers, YMMV).

As for "who's gonna play it" more specifically, I'm interested in preg content of all types, to be quite honest, and regardless, is "it's not going to be super popular" at all a good reason NOT to include a fetish in... a game about weird and niche fetishes? There's no reason someone would NOT want to see this content just because they weren't specifically into mpreg content, and besides! Even if someone was specifically REALLY NOT A FAN of mpreg, personally, they could just... ignore the tf, and not have it in the game at all.

Also, to head off the invariable question: If a writer HAPPENED to be highly against writing a character who would RISK impregnating a character anally, they could easily have the character take sterilex daily and refuse all anal penetration when convinced to go off of it.

 

[QuietCoyote]

Mpreg? A niche fetish? Have you ever looked at fanfiction? It's a fantasy for gender-nonconforming people of all genders, of queers and bisexuals, of exclusive homosexuals... there are entire distinct GENRES of mpreg (I'm looking at you, ABO), and one of the specific genres is "men in space future reproducing without the middle(wo)man.

There's significant fetish overlap with involuntary transformation, bimbofication, and sissification but without the uncomfortable nature of losing your personal identity, because pregnancy hijacks you without overtly forcing you to become Something Else Entirely. It's a status condition, not a transformation, essentially, and also hugely tied in with BDSM power dynamics, which is gonna appeal to people into BDSM too, even if they're not especially fans of preg content. Plus, people like things when they're subversive or especially unexpected, and I can totally see people wanting to potentially write revenge-porn based on dosing character/s (not even necessarily MALES) and then knocking them up in the ass (which wouldn't work for sterilex-takers, YMMV).

As for "who's gonna play it" more specifically, I'm interested in preg content of all types, to be quite honest, and regardless, is "it's not going to be super popular" at all a good reason NOT to include a fetish in... a game about weird and niche fetishes? There's no reason someone would NOT want to see this content just because they weren't specifically into mpreg content, and besides! Even if someone was specifically REALLY NOT A FAN of mpreg, personally, they could just... ignore the tf, and not have it in the game at all.

Also, to head off the invariable question: If a writer HAPPENED to be highly against writing a character who would RISK impregnating a character anally, they could easily have the character take sterilex daily and refuse all anal penetration when convinced to go off of it.

Perhaps it got lost in phrasing or whatever, but let me point something out.

There's already an accepted instance of Mpreg, in the form of Makius. Now, he was tenatively accepted, and the coder would need to do serious editing to make him acceptable, otherwise it's another Willow.

So, why isnt he implemented? LITERALLY NO ONE wants to code him. Not the coders, not fen, not even all the people who want Mpreg implemented.

So, yes, the fetish might be popular, but NO ONE IS WILLING TO PUT IN THE EFFORT.

So, tell me what you want about slashfiction for Mpreg, i haven't seen results yet.

 

[QuietCoyote]

To further explain, the "who's gonna play it" was also to expand on the "jesus this is a lot of work" aspect. You are asking for an entirely new pregnancy system, something that is very hard to work with, for something that would apply to few characters.

How many people use exhibitionism? How many people use bess? How many people actually take the time to get plugged by gel zon? Answer: probably less than the time the system took to build properly. Pregnancy is still buggy as all hell in specific situations, and you want a new one. Just to emphasize, an entirely new system that'd be based on an imperfect one.

So, if YOU want it, YOU can do it. Just don't expect it to commit if it isn't built correctly

 

[B]

question:

if butt babies,

how poop?

 

[TFMaster]

question:

if butt babies,

how poop?

I dunno probably the same way that you poop when you’ve got eggs up your bunghole.

 

[Zavos]

QC has made a important (if unfortunate) point. It doesn't matter what the greater community's attitude towards any particular content is. What matters is writers creating quality content that meets this game's standards, and coders who want to see this content in game, going through the pain and tedium of implementing it.

 

[null_blank]

question:

if butt babies,

how poop?

Theory: due to the nature of your pregnancy, your body becomes so efficient at processing food that no solid waste is produced.

 

[Zavos]

Theory: due to the nature of your pregnancy, your body becomes so efficient at processing food that no solid waste is produced.

Headcannon: The microsurgon use the extra "fuel" to power themselves. This is why your healing factor increases when you are well fed.

 

[Lana Stephen]

Couldn't something be done along the lines of using the multi womb code and having the event that gives this mod add a flag to one of them to check impregnation chance when anally filled and use alternate scenes when birthing or when a vag would otherwise be mentioned?

 

[QuietCoyote]

Couldn't something be done along the lines of using the multi womb code and having the event that gives this mod add a flag to one of them to check impregnation chance when anally filled and use alternate scenes when birthing or when a vag would otherwise be mentioned?

I wish it were that easy

 

[Quiet Browser]

QC has made a important (if unfortunate) point. It doesn't matter what the greater community's attitude towards any particular content is. What matters is writers creating quality content that meets this game's standards, and coders who want to see this content in game, going through the pain and tedium of implementing it.

Well, really, that affects a lot of stuff in a game like this. It's one of the drawbacks for a game like TiTS, and is one of the major reasons why I went with this simple "use a TF" method in the first place; fewer scenes to code in, less work that needs to be done (hopefully), and frankly, a lot of the people who have been asking for mpreg have been trying to make these unnecessary convoluted methods to do so.

 

[Stemwinder]

Asking "who would even want this pregnancy content?" in this community is like asking if anyone would even want a new brand of bottled water in a desert town.

Most around here ravenously consume any and all pregnancy content and in the wider world of smut games those that do include mpreg content show that it tends to be both in demand and well received. Any and all pregnancy content -is- a bigger pain in the butt to implement than butt babies would be, yes, but the demand is certainly there. TiTS doesn't have it yet simply because, like a bunch of eggs stuffed up a colon to use the metaphor language of an already-included unusual pregnancy type, submissions have been overstuffed and they only slide down the pipes at a trickle.

There have been several attempts made to implement mpreg content, they've just fallen through the crack.

And that's the caboose of my butt jokes.

 

[Coalsack]

A bit late to the party, but I'd like to suggest that this could be implemented step by step. First a few essential pregnancies for popular/highly-demanded NPC, then from the not-so-popular, and lastly, from enemy mobs.

Originally, this is how the regular pregnancy system is implemented. Not every dicked NPC can impregnate you from day 1, right? So a few of us could volunteer to make equivalents of vaginal impregnation scenes for certain characters, and once they're verified as good enough, add them to the male-pregnancy catalogue.

 

[Quiet Browser]

Inspired by the conversation further up the thread... just who actually wants to see this project get into the game, and are you more interested in using it on your PC so you can get pregnant, or in having special scenes where you can dose up and impregnate defeated male opponents?

 

[The Observer]

Just give up already. Everyone's told you why it can't work, why it won't work, and here you are still banging your head against the wall.