[Needs Rework - feedback requested] Holo-cock and Hardlight Wings

[Athena]

Alright, I had been working on these for a while, and I kept hemming and hawing about whether or not they were worth finishing:

A Cum Tanks upgrade for the Hardlight Anti-Grav Thong, which makes it into a cumming strap-on:
A Light Wings projector pack which utilizes a special kind of unstable hardlight particle that decays into anti-gravitons, resembling pixie dust while enabling flight:
Both of these are intended to be probably-niche tech-focused alternatives to existing cosmetics and transformatives, provided a suite of options without supplanting the normal transformatives.

Well, that's the plan, at least. Not sure if anyone but me would be interested in them, so I figured I should make this thread in case there's anything you guys think I could do to pivot direction so I'm not potentially wasting Fenoxo's time for selfish reasons.

As for concerns, the cum tanks upgrade seemed appealing to me at first - I like strap-on content, mainly because they aren't permanent. I don't mind dickgirls necessarily, I just don't like dicks flopping around during penetrative scenes. The point of it was convenience while promoting accessibility with minimal writing. Considering the alternative was for me to try and pump out as many Hardlight scenes as I could muster for added accessibility...this sounded like less of a time sink all around.

However, maybe I went a bit too far and simply made Goo-dicks lite? I mean, I'm fine with that. I hate goo girls, and I don't want to become one just so I could have something like this. But maybe that's not the most sound reasoning?

I think the Wings of Light are on a better trajectory, though they desperately need better names for the status effects and particle type. I suck at that stuff. The main issue is um...apparently no one uses wings? So I'd be the only one using this? I don't know if that's purely a lack of interest or if it's just because it's a pain in the ass to get the wing types you want, which this would help with, and if you use a TF with wing transformations, it should still count and you'd get to keep those wings with the desired amount.

I dunno if I made it too weird with the pixie dust-style stuff, though? I needed it to explain why you could fly with small bee wings and whatnot, and so having wings still has some bonus effect, but IDK if I just kiled any appeal this might've had, if it ever had any potential appeal to anyone other than me.

I dunno, I like to roleplay a lot when I play this game, so non-intrusive cosmetics like this are more my bag. I like the idea that I could take it off and put it on at any time, and that's just how it's designed. Still, I figure it's worth it to ask for opinions, since while writing transformation text won't take up more than a weekend or so, the masturbation stuff will definitely take longer, and I don't want this taking too much time away from my main project if I can help it.

 

[TheShepard256]

On the cum-enabled HL Antigrav Thong: Oh. I already made a reply on the What Content Would You Like Added? thread. Also, on the cock's customisability:

• I think it would be better to be able to choose the cock's length by inputting a number rather than having fixed values to choose from; it would require fewer button-presses than selecting a specific value then adding/subtracting inches to taste. Something similar with thickness ratio and knot ratio might also be better.
• For restrictions on all three, I think: cock length from 3" or 4" to whatever, thickness ratio from 0.7 to 3 and knot ratio from 1 or 1.1 to... I'm not sure. 2.5? 3?.
• Blunt & flared and tapered should be mutually exclusive options, since they have contradictory appearances. There are also quite a few flags you're missing, assuming you're not deliberately not supporting some.

Basically, you might want to check up on the wiki page for penises for comparison purposes and/or more ideas/info.
Plus, you forgot to change its short and long names from the Light Wings.

On the Light Wings: I think 10 wings is a ridiculously high number for non-tentacle wings; I'd restrict max wing count to:

• 2 for fairy wings
• Probably 2, 4 or 6 for aero wings, depending on their specific appearance
  
• 6 for angelic wings (since that's the max Dove Balm can give you)
• 4 for gryvain wings (which I think you should add since the gryvain are the most well-known winged species)
• I'm not certain for demonic wings; 4 seems reasonable given their similarity to gryvain wings, but 6 gives makes it fully contrastable with angelic wings
• I'm also not certain for pixie wings, since I've no idea what they'd look like

Minimum of 2 for all of them is reasonable, though.
Also, parsers can be used in tooltips in exactly the same way as in regular text. I think I told you a similar thing about silly mode previously, so for future reference: literally anything you can do in regular game text, you can do in tooltips as well. The code doesn't really distinguish between the two.

 

[Hanzo]

Why not allow to refill Cum Tanks with cum bubbles?

 

[Athena]

Why not allow to refill Cum Tanks with cum bubbles?

Oops, I forgot that. That's what I get for rushing before bed.

@TheShepard256 You've made some excellent points, so I'll just throw in some bullet points

1. Can I actually add text inputs? I based the options on the Goo dicks, but if length could just be typed in, then yeah, I'd rather do that.
2. I honestly wasn't sure if there was an in-game cap for any penis options, so I just left them open. Those numbers do sound good, so I might input those if it turns out there are already-established caps.
3. Oh yeah, I forgot to note that about the penis heads. Maybe I'll reorganize them so those + add a "default" head and set it so you can only toggle one.
4. I purposely avoided Stinger, Sticky, and prehensile dicks since they didn't make sense for a hardlight strap-on. I mean, there's a reason I had to make up a special particle for the wings, this stuff is already pretty well defined. Also, now that I think about it, "smooth" should be a default tag for hardlight dicks, because it's still technically a strap-on, and I think they've always been described as smooth...
5. We can get 5 sets of legs, 10 tails, 10 dicks, and 5 sets of breasts, so why not 10 wings? I think it's fine, and it simplifies things vs. having to account for the different maximums for no real benefit.
6. And thanks, I didn't realize all the text used the same system. I'll keep that in mind going forward.

 

[TheShepard256]

Can I actually add text inputs? I based the options on the Goo dicks, but if length could just be typed in, then yeah, I'd rather do that.

Yes, it's basically the same as when you're naming Steele, some of Steele's kids, ships, the Frostwyrm etc. or setting Steele's initial height. As for everything else, fair enough.

 

[Athena]

Yes, it's basically the same as when you're naming Steele, some of Steele's kids, ships, the Frostwyrm etc. or setting Steele's initial height. As for everything else, fair enough.

Alrighty then. I noted down yours and Hanzo's suggestions, and I got permission from Savin to write Anno's scene, so this should be ready for me to work on during weekends like this, while I focus on the Amazons during the week. I was probably going to wind up doing that, anyways, at least with the wings, so this works out.

One more thing, though: should I add the option for multi-cock? It seems like it should work, judging from how the Hardlight Thong already works. I only omitted it for simplicity's sake. If you guys want it, though, I figured I should ask now before I wind up having to rewrite a bunch of text later down the line.

 

[Theron]

This is a long post, so I'm spoilering the text so it doesn't take up too much space.

Spoiler: Wings of Light

Something to consider: canFly checks for specific wing types or hasJetpack, which right now only checks for the Light Jetpack, which is easy enough to change, but makes a difference in the tooltip/description when flying to/from the Zil Village, Myrellion's Deep Caves and the cave on the Southwest edge of Uveto.

On 'Pixie Dust': I don't know if you really need much explanation why you can fly with 'wing' types that can't normally fly. Are you envisioning this as 'have small bee wings already' or 'selected small bee wings'? Both? It's a 'thing what makes you fly'. It's techno-magic, and has whatever properties it needs to allow it's function. On the other hand, who doesn't like a Peter Pan/Tinkerbell reference?

I was thinking about the Anti-grav Bra, Thong and Jock, but there's no real description of what the Anti-grav function is, exactly. Is it the fact that your assets are being supported by the Hardlight? Is it part of the Hardlight itself?

Thinking about the types of characters who would find Wings of Light useful. I've got two characters with Wings: A Melee + Attack Drone Tech Specialist and a Ranged Smuggler. The Wings of Light having bonus Shields and Evasion is nice, but as an accessory it means giving up Tam-Wolf's extra damage (honestly, I'm not sure I need it, but it is nice). Attack Drone Techs are probably fairly rare, Shield Booster Tech Specialists already have +100 extra Shields, but might want to stack more anyway, just because. Smugglers want Evasion over Shields, so the regular Light Jetpack is better. Mercenaries have Lunge, and Bigger Guns is borderline useless. Melee characters in general want canFly more than ranged.

I know you consider aesthetics over stats (and the game is easy enough you can get away with it), but I thought I'd throw that out there.

Spoiler: Customizable Hardlight Strap-on

If the Wings can cover natural wings, might it be possible to cover an existing dick with a Hardlight sheath to allow things like 'Ribbed' which are otherwise hard to come by right now? Also temporarily qualifying for Hyper scenes. We can shrink a dick via Condensol, but can't temporarily grow it. I assume this function would be locked behind having a Hardlight Upgrade Module, which right now just locks a scene with Korgonne Females, and the malfunction scenes, I suppose. It'd be a bunch of work, but might increase your potential audience if it's possible. It could also be a mess that isn't actually possible with the way things are coded. I don't know.

That's another thing. Might the customization be best as a Hardlight Upgrade Module MK II or folded into the regular HLU? The HLU description says you have full control over the size, which translates right now to 'as big as the scene needs it to be'.

Spoiler: On body part counts

Pixies are usually shown with Dragonfly or Butterfly wings, right? I'd say 2-4.

I tried googling 'pixie', only got haircuts.

You can actually get 10 rows of breasts by being a Naga and using Estrobloom/Tittyblossom + Front Rack. Rows above 5 are not removed when changing to biped or 'Taur.

 

[Athena]

@Theron

1) I'll keep that in mind, I didn't realize there were places in the game where flying mattered.

Also, I apologize in regards to my propensity for long-winded explanations, but yeah, I wanted something that could be seen as a peter pan/fairy tale reference for those who want it to...or are giant weeaboos like me who love their Gundam girls: https://andaryu3.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/7swordgirl.jpg

I'll see what I can do to tidy up the tooltip. Brevity was never my strong point.

2) Yeah, I don't think there's a way for the game to remember what flags or cock type you had before using it, so a "temporary" customizable cock won't work. I am hardly the first one to think about it...

With that said, making the cock itself a standard feature for the HLU sounds perfect, though the cumming Hardlight Thong would have to be an acception, since I don't think the cum tanks would be a standard feature, so no balls and you'd get virtual cum with "Firing Blanks." I'll see what scenes would need to change. There really aren't that many that support the Upgraded strap-on...

Nevermind, that makes it a lot more difficult, and probably makes the thong redundant. I'm essentially saying it required Anno's genius to work the way it does, along with extra parts associated with both the thong, and the HLU, and something that had to be express-ordered, so I don't think it's worth it to add those options to every single strap-on.

3) Pixies are smaller than fairies, so you get small bee wings, essentially. I really wish I hadn't procrastinated on the transformation text...

Honestly, I wasn't sure what to do with the Wing pack stat-wise. It seems more logical that a Jetpack would be preferred over this when it comes to pure performance. The Aero wings are the default because it probably only needs slight variations in wing patterns to work as intended based on what I could find on theoretical anti-gravitons, so the other wing designs were concieved as entirely consumer-driven cosmetic options...a.k.a. things I thought sounded cool. Seriously, let me know if I'm off-base.

 

[Theron]

1) I'm glad I brought it up, then. There's no special description for hitting a Flying enemy with a Melee weapon, so you don't have to worry about that.

2) I could see the basic outline of a function to save penis flags*, but that's not a job to dump on the poor sap who gets to implement your wonderful idea.

3) I was thinking Tinkerbell as the prototypical Pixie in popular culture, and it's kind of hard to tell what kind of wings she has. It depends on the angle and artist, really. They most look like transparent butterfly wings to me, at least in some of the pictures Google brought up.

*There are 21 Penis flags. You can get base 36 out of letters + Numbers. You might be able to do something with reading a String? Each character corresponds to a Flag. I wouldn't expect them to add more than 15 more flags, but hey, they might surprise me. You'd also need to save Length, Thickness Ratio, Knot Multiplier, Flaccid Multiplier and Color while you were at it, so 6 variables, if the String idea works. You likely would only cover the first penis, unless you want 10 sets of variables.


Edit: Thought this post by Savin might be relevant to your current and future endeavors.

I dunno why y'all are obsessing over this thing's stats so much.

We have an automated spreadsheet we use to calculate an item's stats based on what level it's for and how hard it is to get. What the author wants the thing's stats or abilities to be don't matter.

Y'know, It'd be really nice if they'd make that information easier to come by.

 

[Fullmetal_Potato]

Something i just thought about, does hard light have color? Maybe some sort of holographic shroud can be added over the hard light to add the look/color/appearance of the penis it tries to emulate. At least to add a reason as to how it will use the writing of normal penises. Either that or the color descriptor of the hard light dick would just be "hard light" to describe its appearance.

 

[Kesil]

The hardlight clothing pieces have a sapphire colour to them, at least.

 

[TheShepard256]

Something i just thought about, does hard light have color? Maybe some sort of holographic shroud can be added over the hard light to add the look/color/appearance of the penis it tries to emulate. At least to add a reason as to how it will use the writing of normal penises. Either that or the color descriptor of the hard light dick would just be "hard light" to describe its appearance.

Hardlight tech colour has been described as:

• Purple (Kara and Zaalt's swords)
• Pale/bright/electric blue (Steele's strapon, when masturbating with the upgraded version)
  
• Yellow (Anno's strapon)
• Green (Steele's strapon, when lending it to Ramis)
• Blue (Khorgan's sword)
• Orange (Steele's strapon again, when used on Aliss)

(I might be missing some, since I haven't seen every single scene where HL strapons are used.) Given this, I'd say hardlight tech can be any solid colour, with the ability to change which colour that is.

 

[Fullmetal_Potato]

That's good to know.

 

[Athena]

I'm just writing this now so I don't forget later, but now that we have proper cybernetics, I'm gonna rework the Hardlight Wings into a Utility implant. I'm think it'll either give the player a choice of wing number on installation (0/2/4/6/8/10) - duplicating existing wings or sprouting energy wings if they don't have any - or give the player the option to change wing number from the appearance screen...or maybe both, if that's not too much trouble on the coding end. Probably mention some metal wing binders that wrap snuggly around the base of the and up the edges as some flavor text. Either way, Players will also be given the option to keep or remove they're wings after installation, unless they have the energy wings, which will always be forcibly removed.

It'll inevitably be a tiny document, of course, so I'll probably want to tack it onto something more substantial later on, but for those still interested, I'll have the new document written up some time after the next public patch, so I can mess around with the Cybernetics system and get a better idea on how it should be written.

As for the Holo-cock...honestly, I might just scrap it. I originally came up with it for another project, but someone mentioned wanting something like it in TiTS, so I tried to adapt it. I dunno if it was really worth it, though. Even if I made it a cybernetic implant, I'm not sure what it would do?...I guess just be a carbon copy of the Goo Dicks, but with different adjectives? I dunno, I'll make a poll, so please let me know what you think.

 

[LoriJ]

When I play with a female Steele I sometimes miss a, let's say, convenient way to try and impregnate others. The hardlight strap-on doesn't have this, the goo dick requires you to have goo hair and goo genitals and is also irreversible... Of course there is also the option of using virection pill and consendol pil, but that can also be a bit tedious and I guess it limits the variations.

If you make an implant out of it, it could harvest Steele's genetic material and produce artificial cum from it that can actually impregnate others. It could also be just an attachment point where you actually have to attach a mechanical dick on, you could possibly buy or make or find different sizes and shapes (I might just personally like the idea of a full mechanical cock... I usually play as a tech specialist after all).

Why not allow to refill Cum Tanks with cum bubbles?

As far as I'm aware you can only get cum bubbles from yourself (correct me if I'm wrong), which requires a dick, which would make such an implant redundant.
Though if you can harvest cum bubbles from others you could really do some weird stuff by making NPCs impregnate other NPCs.. My mischievous Steele is showing I know... (Also coding nightmare, again I know..)

I don't know if my opinions (and possibly preferences) are of any use to you but for me something like this could add something I'm currently missing.

 

[Athena]

Since people seem to want it to work like the Goo dicks, I'll talk to a coder to find out how much could easily carry over. If possible, I'd like to include a goo vent-lite mechanic - Cumflation fills a meter that caps out at 5000ml, with options to make collection automatic, or manual for a sexy scene like the previous doc mentioned. I probably shouldn't have to over-explain the Cum converters/condensers or whatever shitty name I came up with..I'm still pretty bad at naming things, btw...

Anyways, I'll write up the documents this weekend so I have something to show when I ask about it.

Oh yeah, and if you turn off the CumVent, you'll have a set refractory rate...unless that turns out to be a pain in the ass.

 

[LoriJ]

I would be okay helping you out with the coding part, since this is a project I would like to see too.

 

[Athena]

I would be okay helping you out with the coding part, since this is a project I would like to see too.

I wasn't aware you had experience with TiTS' code. Okay then. I'll PM you the doc, hopefully around Monday afternoon.

 

[LoriJ]

I wasn't aware you had experience with TiTS' code. Okay then. I'll PM you the doc, hopefully around Monday afternoon.

Well a limited amount only, but I wouldn't mind spending some more time on it, especially if it's something I would like to see come in to the game.

 

[LoriJ]

By the way, the SynthWomb implant is controlled via the Codex Add-on menu, while the Shift Goo is in the appearance screen, which I'd say makes sense for both.
Since this is also an implant and thus technological I'd say this one should probably also be controlled from the Codex.

 

[Athena]

It would make sense, yes, but I don't know how much of the Goo Dick code would have to be changed in order to accomodate that.

 

[LoriJ]

I had a quick look into it but I don't think it should really matter.

Did you think about descriptions yet, the way it would look etc?

 

[Athena]

I had a quick look into it but I don't think it should really matter.

Did you think about descriptions yet, the way it would look etc?

I still gotta work on that. I just looked at the cybernetics, but it looks like there's a lot of stuff I couldn't simply copy & paste for easy reading. I'll try my best, but not being able to look at the updated source code is making a lot of things difficult...

 

[LoriJ]

I still gotta work on that. I just looked at the cybernetics, but it looks like there's a lot of stuff I couldn't simply copy & paste for easy reading. I'll try my best, but not being able to look at the updated source code is making a lot of things difficult...

Yeah me too, I have no idea how the implants are implemented currently, so that would certainly be something I have to look into..

 

[Athena]

Alright. I do have to warn you, though - I kind of have a lot going on, and I really wasn't expecting to give this project much priority, since I was never really sure if I could even drum up enough content to justify it as submission on its own. I figured I'd be bundling it with the Amazon Wrestlers I've been writing...which are currently undergoing another rewrite, so that's a long way off. With all that said, I'll try my best with the time I have to work on it.

Oh yeah, and I may as well ask: Should it even still be a Hardlight dick? That seems pretty superfluous, and might actually get confusing. I was thinking maybe I should just go all the way and make it a synth-dick similar in some capacity to what Lorelei has? What do you all think?

 

[LoriJ]

Alright. I do have to warn you, though - I kind of have a lot going on, and I really wasn't expecting to give this project much priority, since I was never really sure if I could even drum up enough content to justify it as submission on its own. I figured I'd be bundling it with the Amazon Wrestlers I've been writing...which are currently undergoing another rewrite, so that's a long way off. With all that said, I'll try my best with the time I have to work on it.

Take all the time you need, I don't mean to push you to do anything, I'm also totally fine just brainstorming a bit for a while, that being said if it adds something new and worthwhile even if it's not that big a submission I don't really see an issue with that.

Oh yeah, and I may as well ask: Should it even still be a Hardlight dick? That seems pretty superfluous, and might actually get confusing. I was thinking maybe I should just go all the way and make it a synth-dick similar in some capacity to what Lorelei has? What do you all think?

I think it should be different from a hardlight dick, to prevent confusion but also to make it actually feel different and it should add something new else it's not really worth doing it I think. It's probably better to do something similar to what Lorelei has, though I think her dialogue suggests it's quite a unique piece of equipment, I'd have to look up the specific description, so maybe something like it but less refined maybe.

Another place to take some inspiration from might be the male Cyberpunk Security Operative if you look at the nude bust by Adjatha.
The way that one is described is using tags like mechanical or synthetic. A small description plucked from the source code:

//Male: 13" robocock with rapid-brewing cum-tanks and throb-o-matic pulsator. (Latex/Rubbery in appearance.)

 

[Athena]

That last one sounds like it might be a good option. I'm just not sure how to address the whole, you know, fact that transformatives still have to effect it in some way. That's been a tricky thing to work around since day 1.

 

[LoriJ]

I'm just not sure how to address the whole, you know, fact that transformatives still have to effect it in some way

The way I see it there are a couple options:
- It's a robocock, therefore it's not affected by transformations, however:
* do penis transformations still happen normally, I mean if the PC would grow a cock, would they grow it besides the robodick
* or does it prevents penis transformations
* or would a normal cock replace the robodick and make it "fall off"
- It's similar to Lorelei's suit which adapts and basically integrates a synthsheath into it, in short absorbed transformatives unlock different options for the robocock.

That's been a tricky thing to work around since day 1.

I don't doubt that nor do I think coding might be easy depending on which option would be the most appropriate, personally I think the absorbing could be a fun addition, it would give it something else unique, where the goo one just has every option this one you have to unlock stuff for, a scavenger hunt of sorts

 

[Athena]

The way I see it there are a couple options:
- It's a robocock, therefore it's not affected by transformations, however:
* do penis transformations still happen normally, I mean if the PC would grow a cock, would they grow it besides the robodick
* or does it prevents penis transformations
* or would a normal cock replace the robodick and make it "fall off"
- It's similar to Lorelei's suit which adapts and basically integrates a synthsheath into it, in short absorbed transformatives unlock different options for the robocock.

Goo dicks actually require you to have certain codex entries unlocked to access certain transformations, especially for genitals...which you know, kind of makes more sense for a machine controlled by the codex instead of your biological body, but whatever. It's convenient for my purposes, and one of the reasons why I'm looking to that system for inspiration.

Considering it installation will costs tens of thousands of credits, letting it "fall off" would be problem. Looking over my notes, I realize that I went with Hardlight instead of a physical strapon simply because it could more easily change size, shape, and number, not to mention it could reasonably retract into your body (or rather, just "turn off") without going too far into "space magic" territory.

At least, I think it can do all that? Hardlight occasionally seems to have different capabilities depending on the writer...

The final backup idea circles back to goo dicks - having a robo cock with grey goo tech incorporated so it can do all the things a goo dick can do. Probably would require purchasing a robocock you can't install until you give it to Anno to upgrade.

 

[LoriJ]

Goo dicks actually require you to have certain codex entries unlocked to access certain transformations, especially for genitals...which you know, kind of makes more sense for a machine controlled by the codex instead of your biological body, but whatever. It's convenient for my purposes, and one of the reasons why I'm looking to that system for inspiration.

Oh I did not actually know that, I guess on my file I tested it on had all codex entries unlocked.. But ye I agree it would make more sense for synthetic than goo.

Considering it instillation will costs tens of thousands of credits, letting it "fall off" would be problem. Looking over my notes, I realize that I went with Hardlight instead of a physical strapon simply because it could more easily change size, shape, and number, not to mention it could reasonably retract into your body (or rather, just "turn off" without going too far into "space magic" territory.

I did some more digging and found that if your race would classify you as a cyborg (currently impossible as the race function doesn't check for cyborg score) taking TFs like virection pill would actually grow a synthetic cock, so space magic could possibly go that far. But it seems there already is support for some synthetic body parts, vagina, cocks, eyes, cum (oil) it seems Bess uses these types as well.

There even seems to be some support in one of the scene's on Uveto:

Spoiler: Code Snippet

    //if oil girlcum /or/ synthetic pussy
    else if(pc.girlCumType == GLOBAL.FLUID_TYPE_OIL || pc.vaginas[0].type == GLOBAL.TYPE_SYNTHETIC)
    {
        output("\n\nThe korgonne spits and gags at the first taste of your oily, synthetic fluids. <i>“Urrgh! Taste like power-cell!”</i> You ");
        if(pc.isAss()) output("relish his discomfort as you");
        else output("guiltily");
        output(" force his mouth back to your artificial cunt.");
    }

I'm not really sure yet whether or not that's a good thing or not, but a hardlight type would certainly require more work by adding new descriptions and what not.

At least, I think it can do all that? Hardlight occasionally seems to have different capabilities depending on the writer...

It seems a bit inconsitent indeed, but I guess you could make it do mostly what you want in this case..

Anyway I thought I'd share some of my findings, I haven't really settled on what I think about it yet, but I thought I'd let you know about it regardless.