Loans and Debt Slavery

SheeptaurTheSheepKing

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I’m posting this to get criticism, feedback, and advice about an idea I want to work on for T.i.t.s.

I’ve never written something like this before so if I’m making any obvious mistakes or if you have any good advice please let me know.

Basically I want the player to be able to take out a loan by putting themselves and their assets (anything they own like their ship, weapons and armor, contents of your cargo hold, and slaves) up as collateral. You then have a limited amount of time to pay back the loan or else you get a Bad End where you’re sold into debt slavery.

In game mechanics terms you set the terms of your potential indentured servant contract, which is stuff like

Consent to performing sexual services: Yes or No

Consent to being genetically modified: Yes or No

Consent to being mentally altered: Yes or No

Which determines how big of a loan you get (more yeses means more money) along with how much your ship is worth and whether or not you’ve modded yourself. The bigger your loan is the bigger your monthly (or possibly weekly) payments on it are and if you miss too many then you trigger the Bad End when you land on any planet with a peacekeeper presence.

*Edit: I forgot to mention that I wanted to use Attica & Teron as the NPCs you make your contract with if I can get permission to use them. Maybe change the name of their business to Sentient Acquisitions & Loans.

If you land on Mhen’ga while Penny’s not on your crew you get a special scene where she comes to arrest you. If she loves you enough and you have a mischievous personality you could convince her to look the other way just once, but if you come back a second time a squad of other peacekeepers ambushes you and takes you in.

If you can’t convince her you have to fight her, if you lose and you’ve Throbb’ed her up enough she fucks you up the butt before she takes you in, if silly mode is on she’ll say something about seeing you again for “conjugal visits”.

If she’s a bimbo she still comes to arrest you, but you seduce her, fuck her into submission, and escape. Unless you are also a bimbo in which case you still fuck, but she successfully arrests you at the end, probably because you let her handcuff you for the sake of kinky fun during the act.

If you’re thinking “Then I just won’t go to any of those planets” don’t worry, if you stay away from them long enough a high level bounty hunter will show up to take you in. (If silly mode is on he’ll be a mandalorian who freezes you in carbonite)

In terms of bad ends I have a LOT of ideas for them.

In the game your contract would get auctioned off and people you’ve met will show up to bid on you giving you different bad ends depending on who you’ve met and also what you agreed to in your contract.

The default bad end is that your cousin buys your contract and makes you his/her servant.

If you said no to everything in the contract you’re just forced to do menial labor at your cousin’s summer home on a planet near the rush while wearing either a sexy butler or a french maid outfit (depending on your femininity/masculinity) with your cousin stopping by in between finding the probes to relax and force you to wait on him/her hand and foot.

If you said yes to mental alteration you also get hypnotized into thinking you’re a loyal British butler or a flirtatious(but also loyal) french maid who has dedicated their life to serving Jack/Jill Steele. You eventually work off your debt, but because you cousin has no legal obligation to un-hypnotize you, you gladly keep working for them for the rest of your life.

If you said yes to being modded you get transformed to look like a buff, hunky butler or a busty, blonde maid.


If you said yes to sexual use then you get an entirely different ending where your cousin employs you as a “Stress Relief Officer” on board their giant ship forcing you to pleasure all of his/her crew-members. At first this is just Dane or Feruze (depending on whether or not you completed Myrellion) but over time you cousin gathers a variety of crew-members, who you must often please two or three at a time, until your “relief sessions” eventually become “crew-wide team and morale building exercises” A.K.A ship-wide orgies.

Although you cousin never makes use of you he/she whores you out on every planet the ship visits and secretly masturbates to footage of your escapades on the ship’s security cameras, literally getting off on your humiliation and degradation.

If you only said yes to sexual use on the contract your cousin eventually takes over Steele Tech and forces you to work off the last of your debt as an “Office Relaxer” at Steele Tech Headquarters. After you’re finally free of your debt you use the wealth of sexual experience you’ve gained to become an extremely proficient and sought after prostitute.

If you also said yes to being modded your body becomes something of a community project for the crew-members, with their collective goal being to make you as sexy as possible.

Of course with each crew-member having their own opinions and preferences and new crew-members joining regularly you quickly experience a staggering number of transformations as the crew debates the merits of different forms, features, and races, often testing them out on you before deciding whether or not to keep them.

Ultimately your body is their plaything, in every sense of the word, and the Taint from the drugs and random mutagenic compounds they test on you first turns you into an unapologetic slut, and eventually into a nympho-maniacal sex toy.

After your cousin becomes C.E.O of Steele Tech and takes you off the crew you discover that you’ve become addicted to being modded and beg your cousin for more mods. He/She agrees to give you all the mods you could want(at the cost of them coming out of your pay) if you agree to star in Steele Tech’s new line of ultra-porn films.

You do, and you mod yourself between each film to the point that you look like a new character in each one. The films are a hit, and you spend the rest of your life as an ultra-porn star famous for their constantly changing gender and appearance while your cousin gets even richer as your talent agent/owner.

If you said yes to all three questions your mind ends up just as much a plaything as your body. At first the crew makes do with simple hypnosis to make you act out their fantasies for them, but that all changes when they get their hands on a slave collar that gives them complete control of your mind.

With the collar each crew-member programs a unique personality into you, that of their perfect, ideal lover, which you automatically assume whenever you’re alone with them or whenever you hear them call that personalities’ name. With so many crew-members competing for your time you barely get to spend any time as yourself, and that time grows shorter and shorter with each new crew-member. Eventually there are enough crew-members that every minute of your day is divided up among them and your original personality fades into your subconscious.

When your cousin finds the last probe the crew pool their money to buy the ship and your contract and your many different personalities spend the rest of your life happily serving the ship’s crew.

If you said yes to mental alterations but not modding then you get a version of the first ending with the addition that the crew often hypnotizes you for fun.

With those who are interested in you sexually doing so for their own sexual fantasies and those who aren't attracted to your particular gender or body simply amusing themselves by making you play fetch like a dog, wait on them like a servant, or be a footstool for them to rest their feet or other appendages on.

You still earn your freedom eventually, but this time but you’ve become hopelessly addicted to being hypnotized, so you become a prostitute who specializes in serving races like the Daynar, the Tarratch, and the Slyveren.

And that’s just the default ending!

If you’ve gotten over 190 points on the Disco 3000 quest Sera will buy your contract, making you work as an indentured employee of The Dark Chrysalis to pay off your debt.

If you said no to sexual use then Sera, pissed that as your employer she can’t bone you until you’ve paid off your debts, will force you (as your Mistress) to wear a full body BDSM chastity set 24/7 and to dress up in an “Angel Slave” costume when you’re at work.

If you agreed to be modded she’ll mod you into an angel (feminize your body and face, de-muscle you, long blonde hair, glowing white eyes, white feathered wings, a mod that lets you blush on command, and a tiny implant in your scalp that projects a holographic halo over your head at all times).

She’ll force you to act the part when at work too, pretending to be an innocent, virginal, angel enslaved to an evil succubus, blushing like an embarrassed virgin at every lewd product you sell to customers, and trembling in fear whenever Sera teases you in front of them about how much she’ll enjoy defiling you once she brakes the locks on your “Holy Armor”.

Of course Sera isn’t kidding and once you finally pay off your debt she takes the two of you on a week long vacation so she can “defile” you properly, at the end of which (if you agreed to be modded) she gives you some mods to change your appearance to look like a fallen angel, which you gladly take.

Freed from your debt, but too late to stop your cousin from taking over Steele Tech, you decide to become business partners with Sera and help her successfully franchise The Dark Chrysalis into one of the premiere mod boutiques in the galaxy, with her as a very dominant C.E.O and you as her submissive V.P. lover.

If you said yes to being used sexually then Sera delights in using you as a sex slave while you’re employed at The Dark Chrysalis (In other words, it's business as usual between you two) and you get the same “franchise” ending as above.

If you also agreed to be modded then Sera also uses your body as a living advertisement for the shop by testing all the new mods she sells on you first.(If exhibitionism is high then she often leaves you naked and tied up in a compromising position in the store’s window)

She even offers your body to customers as a “Free* Demo” of the new mods.
*Free Demo Slut is only for use by paying customers.
(If silly mode is on have Sera wearing a purple pimp suit in this scene)

If you also agreed to mental alteration then Sera periodically sends you to Vava Groom on Uveto to attend their “Obedience School” as a reward for working hard at the shop.

If silly mode is on and the PC is a furry, then Sera will force you to recreate the “Pet Shaming” meme for her amusement at some point.

Other less developed ideas for Bad Ends are:

Getting bought by Big T if you’re Treated

Getting bought by Bethany Carver if you’re a certified whore at Beth’s Busty Broads

Getting bought by Kally and Kiro if you’ve become their mutual lover

Getting bought by Riya if you’ve had a kid with her

Getting bought by Stella (or more specifically her parents) if you’ve gotten her pregnant

Getting bought by Iced Teats for their special celebrity ice cream parlor if you have high lactation.

Somehow ending up as Bizzy’s co-star and property of your own porn studio (Don’t even ask me how that happens yet I just think the idea is hot.)

Getting bought by Black Iron if you’ve met Shizuya and are a max level mercenary

Getting bought by Nova Securities if you saved Ushamee Neykkar, her squad, and the crew of The Kashima during The Kashima Incident

Getting bought by Tamani Corp if you participated in The Breedwell Incubation Center enough

Getting bought by Xenogen Biotech if you worked with Dr. Haswell, worked with Dr. McAllister, and worked with Kimber

Getting bought by Xotchi if you’re her painslut

Getting bought by Amara Faell if you completed Kara Quest 2 and Ballad of the Ice Queen and still have a positive relationship with Shade. Amara forces you to join The Black Void and work for her so she can “keep you out of trouble for the sake of Shade’s happiness” The two of you eventually form a mutual respect, especially after you save her life from an assassination plot by one of her lieutenants.
If you know Kaede you eventually find out she is Amara’s daughter and convince Amara to reconnect with her.
In the end you, Amara, Shade, Astra, and possibly Kaede, Zeke, Cass, Kayla and even Anno all form an unusual but ultimately loving family together.

Rat’s Raiders rescuing you before you can be auctioned off if you befriended them on Zheng Shi. You become a Robin Hood style pirate with their help and dedicate the rest of your life to robbing you cousin and your uncle blind as karmic retribution for their lives of scheming and thievery.

Now if you’ve read all of this (First off Thank You for making it this far, and Secondly I’m so sorry) I’m sure you must be thinking “Hey this sounds like a lot of really complicated content to write for your first submission ever! Didn’t you read Magic Ted’s How to submit (and write!) content thread where he says specifically not to do the exact specific thing you’re doing right here?”


Yes, yes I did read that.


That’s why I’m posting this in “Ideas” first, and I never said this was going to be my first submission. If I’m smart I’ll write something else small first, I just wanted to get feedback and criticism on this first and maybe if I’m lucky someone who works on the game will tell me if this kind of mechanic is even possible in T.i.T.S or if it’s something Fenoxo even wants in game.

So please tell me what you think of what I’ve got down here.

Is it Hot? Is it Not?

Are my ideas God’s gift to porno games or have I somehow managed to kill a boner you didn’t even have?

Do you just want to point out all my spelling and grammar mistakes?

Frankly at this point I’ll take anything.

I just want to know what you think!
 
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QualityCuntrol

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Honestly, this sounds pretty great! My only real worry is that it seems as though the main focus is on the various Bad Ends rather than the general content. Personally I think it'd be great to have some of these Bad Ends turned into routes you can take regarding the debt, and play through them as quests with a chance for a Bad End, but that'd be...extremely complicated and not something I'd expect because it ratchets up the level of difficulty exponentially.

Overall though, I definitely approve of it: it feels as though it'll flesh out the game a lot more without adding bulk (if that makes sense), and great potential for expansion. Debt, slavery, and human trafficking are such big themes throughout the game that the ability for us to go through that ourselves in a deeper way than at Beth's. This is definitely something to build up to, which you know already. Given the scale of the project, it might be worth it to contact the creators of some of the characters you want to use (once you've already written some other stuff and gotten comfortable with the process) to check things like lore and characterization you might not have access to, just so that you don't contradict other things, both written and yet to be written. That's been a consistent problem, given the amount of contributors (and the amount that have left, may their memories be a blessing).

I'm especially interested in the "Bizzy's costar/owned by your own porn studio" thing; it sounds creative, and has a lot of potential. If our Steele can be bought by thier own porn studio, it opens up a possibility of maybe being bought by Steele Tech and getting a first-hand view of what corruption the current leadership is involved in, see if they're destroying the company as has been implied, etc. But I'm getting things complicated again; basically, me like idea. idea very good. me worry about size of idea. but me like idea is very good idea yes
 

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Honestly? This sounds a massive project and you're going to get lost in it.

Start smaller. Start with a character who works for a company that sells indentured servitude contracts. Maybe you can have sex with them, maybe they just chat. But get them in first. Once you have that, then you can start planning on characters whose contracts you want to buy.
 

SheeptaurTheSheepKing

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Honestly? This sounds a massive project and you're going to get lost in it.

Start smaller. Start with a character who works for a company that sells indentured servitude contracts. Maybe you can have sex with them, maybe they just chat. But get them in first. Once you have that, then you can start planning on characters whose contracts you want to buy.

Thank you for commenting. You reminded me that I forgot to mention Attica & Teron in the post up above. I've been thinking of what to try and write for my first small submission and writing a sex scene for them is a pretty good idea since they don't even have one yet.
 

SheeptaurTheSheepKing

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Honestly, this sounds pretty great! My only real worry is that it seems as though the main focus is on the various Bad Ends rather than the general content. Personally I think it'd be great to have some of these Bad Ends turned into routes you can take regarding the debt, and play through them as quests with a chance for a Bad End, but that'd be...extremely complicated and not something I'd expect because it ratchets up the level of difficulty exponentially.

Overall though, I definitely approve of it: it feels as though it'll flesh out the game a lot more without adding bulk (if that makes sense), and great potential for expansion. Debt, slavery, and human trafficking are such big themes throughout the game that the ability for us to go through that ourselves in a deeper way than at Beth's. This is definitely something to build up to, which you know already. Given the scale of the project, it might be worth it to contact the creators of some of the characters you want to use (once you've already written some other stuff and gotten comfortable with the process) to check things like lore and characterization you might not have access to, just so that you don't contradict other things, both written and yet to be written. That's been a consistent problem, given the amount of contributors (and the amount that have left, may their memories be a blessing).

I'm especially interested in the "Bizzy's costar/owned by your own porn studio" thing; it sounds creative, and has a lot of potential. If our Steele can be bought by thier own porn studio, it opens up a possibility of maybe being bought by Steele Tech and getting a first-hand view of what corruption the current leadership is involved in, see if they're destroying the company as has been implied, etc. But I'm getting things complicated again; basically, me like idea. idea very good. me worry about size of idea. but me like idea is very good idea yes

Thank you for the feedback! (and Thank You for resisting the urge to post FIRST!!1!)
To be honest I just kind of got carried away with the Bad End ideas (I'm kind of a fan of them if you couldn't tell) and half the stuff up their for the Bad Ends is stuff I just thought up while writing the post. It took way longer to write than I thought it would because I kept getting distracted with new ideas.
As for the "Quest" idea I did consider it, but I couldn't think of a way for it to add anything to the game. Like if Nova Securities buys you, but then they just let you keep looking for the probes so you can pay them back, then all that's really changed is that you'd have to take orders from some corporation that would be holding your debt over your head and probably wouldn't let you waste time on sexy escapades and fun adventures. If you got bought by one of your lovers like Sera or Kiro they'd let you go look for the probes and occasionally drop by for some sexy times sure, but that's not really all that different from what your relationship was already like with them. Plus like you said it would be even more complicated.
I do like your idea about seeing the corruption in Steele Tech first hand, maybe something to include in the "Office Relaxer" part of the Bad End.
 
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SheeptaurTheSheepKing

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I'd just like to chip in to say that the planned bad end for Akane is antithetical to the character because she's anti-slavery, so don't go down that route pls.

I was thinking about it in the context of her loving or at least respecting you enough that she would want to rescue you from being enslaved by someone like your cousin, but if you think that's out of character for her I'll certainly respect your wishes.
Alternatively maybe she and The Host bust you out before your're sold and since you're now a wanted criminal you join up with her for good?
 
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Alternatively maybe she and The Host bust you out before your're sold and since you're now a wanted criminal you join up with her for good?

I don't think that would work as I'd probably need to write that myself. Very specific tone to go for with her content. Also, would the player character really be a criminal in this case?
 
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why would you ever really need a loan though
 
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I don't think that would work as I'd probably need to write that myself. Very specific tone to go for with her content. Also, would the player character really be a criminal in this case?

Fair enough. I'll take her off the list.
However I'm pretty sure going on the run to avoid paying your debts makes you a wanted man.
 

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It's a pretty decent concept, and in my opinion there aren't nearly enough ways to get involved in the corporate dystopia situation directly as of yet, but I worry that this project would be much too huge as a launching point. As recommended by others, start small and make it modular. Do it in standalone pieces basically.
 

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I can see myself using this. Particularly zeroing my bank account, taking a massive loan (not because I need it but just because) and working at Beth's to pay off the debt so my Steele doesn't get sold into slavery.
For everyone else, this seems like a beginner's trap or just content most people avoid because they simply don't need the credits. I mean, you're just writing a bunch of bad ends so engagement of your idea is extremely limited.

Also, I'm not sure Fen & Co want a system that can lock a player into a bad end.
 

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2.5 Year Necro. Don't do that.
I just read through your post, and I have to say, you've got quite a creative imagination! The concept of loans and debt in a game like T.i.t.s definitely adds an interesting twist. While it's an intriguing idea, I must admit that some aspects might be a bit too explicit or adult-oriented for the game's target audience.
But hey, speaking of loans, I can totally relate to your concerns. I'm actually in the process of applying for a mortgage myself to buy my first house. It's a big step, but sometimes it's the only option to achieve our goals. By the way, if you ever need any financial advice or assistance, you should definitely check out the Mortgage Broker in Chester. They're experts in mortgages and loans, and they can provide valuable guidance.
 
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I just read through your post, and I have to say, you've got quite a creative imagination! The concept of loans and debt in a game like T.i.t.s definitely adds an interesting twist. While it's an intriguing idea, I must admit that some aspects might be a bit too explicit or adult-oriented for the game's target audience.
Was there really any need to necro a thread that had been dead for nearly two and a half years since the last time it was necro'd after another year of being dead?
 

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Was there really any need to necro a thread that had been dead for nearly two and a half years since the last time it was necro'd after another year of being dead?
Setting a timer to necro this thread in 4 years....
 

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And hey, if you need any financial advice, consulting a Mortgage Broker in Melton Weighton might help. They could provide some useful insights.
Personally, I don't think you needed to have that last line in there - it's too much like something a spambot would say. The rest of your post is too on-point to the discussion to be a spambot, otherwise I'd report the post.