Is there any way to mod incest content back in?

[Franks]

Fen is currently making $32,000/month on Patreon.
For that kind of money, I'd let you raw-dog fuck my ass, and I can't imagine there's a lot a person wouldn't do for that kind of money. Be thankful that removing questionable material is all Patreon wants us to do.

Patreon didn't actually ask us to do anything, Fen is just being safe because he's worried about Parent/child incest. Kiro/Kally was voluntarily removed by Fen, and he said he won't be bullying people about changing their content.

I think we're good, honestly. I follow people on patron who do much more intense incest than anything Fen does, and they're completely untouched. He's just taking preemptive measures.

 

[Lkynmbr24]

It's funny to me what people think is a "slight rework" when it comes to incest fetish. "Sure, sure, as long as the word 'cousin' is in there somewhere it means the same thing! What are they worried about? Cousin, adoptive cousin, step cousin, roommate, person who I call 'cousin' but is actually just my father's family friend who I got sent to live with after he and mom and all my other close relatives burned to death? Same thing!"

Super. While we're at it, sex with really really big penises is dangerous to most people. Could result in fistulae, serious damage to reproductive organs, quite possibly death! So why doesn't Fen just cut down on some controversial content there too and cap top penis size for all characters at 8"? Sounds like a slight change to me, since I don't have a fetish for huge cocks and eight inches is already very big when it comes to real human penises. Therefore, nobody would care. Right? That's how things work? If something isn't important to me then it doesn't matter to anyone else?

This... I can't really even make sense of this wild tangent, so not even gonna touch this one.

If it's not clear, I get why Fenoxo is doing it: because fictional incest gets special status as far as Patreon is concerned as opposed to a bunch of other fetishes. But that doesn't mean the optics of saying 'You, people with this specific fetish, don't matter! Your fetish is unimportant!" in the context of a game whose primary fetish is one that would have been considered pretty fucking niche ten years ago, look good. Expect more people to be pissed, and it might help to calm them if people here who aren't directly affected by this change at least pretend to take them seriously. Otherwise, no, you're not really dealing with the problem.

I'm pretty sure Fen himself didn't want that content to be so drastically adjusted in the first place (and it takes a very legitimate reason for anything of that sort to happen), so to say that he's going out of his way to remove or change up or remove certain fetishes out of some weird spite is just plain dumb. I'm also unsure what you want out of this situation either, cause you're making it sound like it was like Fen decided to do this for shits and giggles despite what his main supplier of income says. Of course, backers have every right to be upset about these changes, and Fen even has been offering refunds if you really feel at odds about how everything is playing out, but it's still much better to be safer than sorry later if things remained generally unchanged.

 

[JBornWhoS]

This... I can't really even make sense of this wild tangent, so not even gonna touch this one.


I'm pretty sure Fen himself didn't want that content to be so drastically adjusted in the first place (and it takes a very legitimate reason for anything of that sort to happen), so to say that he's going out of his way to remove or change up or remove certain fetishes out of some weird spite is just plain dumb. I'm also unsure what you want out of this situation either, cause you're making it sound like it was like Fen decided to do this for shits and giggles despite what his main supplier of income says. Of course, backers have every right to be upset about these changes, and Fen even has been offering refunds if you really feel at odds about how everything is playing out, but it's still much better to be safer than sorry later if things remained generally unchanged.

My own interpretation was that we should be getting together and pressing back a patreon, not a criticism of fenoxo. Maybe gunderson can clarify.

Anyways, I've been reading up on the patreon content whatever. The patreon CEO (for whatever that's worth?) claims that they're not changing what is banned (yet again apparently?) but actually enforcing it (they cite illegal content)? They've said before they want to work on a case by case basis for "gray areas" and I think this snippet backs that up somewhat.
"We understand that some topics on this list such as incest or rape are a little bit more complicated because these situations are, unfortunately, part of real life. As a result, when reviewing this type of content, the Trust and Safety team will take into consideration context including personal, historical or educational narrative. For example, survivor stories or fiction such as Game of Thrones or Lolita are allowed on Patreon."

My point here is that if fenoxo gets together with them and gets a green light he can restore the content rather simply as I described before because they use git. However we defs shouldn't be holding our breath or bothering fenoxo et al about it (are we there yet? are we there yet?) as I'm sure everybody's stressed enough as it is.

 

[IATIHIA2]

Fen is currently making $32,000/month on Patreon.
For that kind of money, I'd let you raw-dog fuck my ass, and I can't imagine there's a lot a person wouldn't do for that kind of money. Be thankful that removing questionable material is all Patreon wants us to do.

$32,000/month

*coffee spews from nose*

Holy shit, Fen makes $384k a year just from some text porno games?????

 

[Raindrops]

$32,000/month

*coffee spews from nose*

Holy shit, Fen makes $384k a year just from some text porno games?????

IIRC fenoxo employs several people fulltime, so I doubt he gets to enjoy all of that money just like that

plus he gotta pay artists too

 

[IATIHIA2]

IIRC fenoxo employs several people fulltime, so I doubt he gets to enjoy all of that money just like that

plus he gotta pay artists too

still, getting 384k from this phenomenal. but yeah, I did already figure that he didn't get 384k net pay

 

[gunderson]

My own interpretation was that we should be getting together and pressing back a patreon, not a criticism of fenoxo. Maybe gunderson can clarify.

Yup, that was indeed my point. Everybody should see that this change, especially the fact that it was forced on Fenoxo, is bad. It shouldn't be so much a matter of whether this change (as well as accepting this serious a level of regulation by the likes of Patreon) hurts you personally as what it means for the future of this project and ones like it.

 

[marsup]

Would a mother and daughter sharing the same lover together count as incest?

 

[ScarletteKnight]

Would a mother and daughter sharing the same lover together count as incest?

If they don't mess with each other, then no. They start kissing or touching each other, then yes. It should be obvious what fucking a relative is, I would think.

 

[Evil]

It should be obvious what fucking a relative is, I would think.

You would think so, but apparently we need to break out diagrams to explain everything.

 

[marsup]

You would think so, but apparently we need to break out diagrams to explain everything.

I have my personnal view of what counts as incest was just checking it was the same as the site.

 

[Raindrops]

I have my personnal view of what counts as incest was just checking it was the same as the site.

I'm pretty sure there is no need for a personal view on what counts as incest, as it has a fairly straightforward, objective definition. It goes as follows:

"Incest is when there is sexual intercourse between two or more blood relatives"

Bam. Done.

 

[XBoxMaster131]

I heard that fen actually asked patreon about a bunch of the niche content in the game and got the green light from them. As far as I'm aware, though, that was a while ago, and things seem to have definately changed a bit.

Patreon is essentially being pressured by it's new partner PayPal to crack down on the taboo content. Which is likely why fen took preemptive measures and didnt/isn't trying to work things out with them, cause they aren't the ones actually calling the shots.

Also, if my own experience has taught me anything, it's that sometimes, pressing the issue only makes things worse. Fen could try and get the green light from Patreon once again, which would solve the problem easy, but hes likely afraid that doing so will draw attention to it all and get them in trouble. Plus, there is the possibility of further changes and crackdowns by PayPal down the road, which would end up screwing them anyway.

Im trying to look at this from a business standpoint. You almost never take huge risks without a backup plan. Fen may attempt to resolve this and get things back to normal, but he will likely not do so unless he finds a viable alternative in case everything goes wrong.

Or he may go for broke and try anyway. Who knows. Either way, he is likely waiting for things to cool a bit before trying anything, which is a smart move.

Personally, though I ain't betting too much on it, I'm still holding out a bit of hope.

Anyway, just my two cents on the matter.

 

[Magic Ted]

Or he can just not humor that one fetish.

 

[XBoxMaster131]

Or he can just not humor that one fetish.

I was just stating my analysis on the whole thing. No need to rain on my parade.

 

[GrampyBone]

It's funny to me what people think is a "slight rework" when it comes to incest fetish. "Sure, sure, as long as the word 'cousin' is in there somewhere it means the same thing! What are they worried about? Cousin, adoptive cousin, step cousin, roommate, person who I call 'cousin' but is actually just my father's family friend who I got sent to live with after he and mom and all my other close relatives burned to death? Same thing!"

I agree completely. Its so frustrating how people dismiss incest fetishes and say the solution to just name a character Mom or Brother is good enough while said character has no dialogue indicating a familial relationship whatsoever. But I understand why it had to be done. It just sucks when the response people in the community give is well your fetish is gross so I'm glad its gone. Not saying thats how its necessarily treated here. Just in general on some of the other patreon games that were supported and grown by fans of incest like SS.

 

[Violent_Peace]

I just like how they make the excuse that banks and Credit card companies are complaining about people spending money porn when this is probably just about a couple people who don't like incest and don't want to write it.

Because honestly when did banks care where someone's money go for one and for two If this really is a bank and CC thing then how come there is another dude on pateron making money doing worst fetishes than TITS and incest? They haven't been taken down and they haven't had problems from what I heard.

Either patreon hates Fens game or someone is making up b.s. Also the people who blindly accept, "Its the banks fault, it's the credit card companies fault" just remember this, the credit card company doesn't care as long as it gets it's money, the bank isn't gonna call you because you spend most of you money on porn, unless you overdraft or something like that, but yeah they don't care about your purchases as long as they get money.

Now I feel I'll be banned

 

[Evil]

Okay chucklenuts, before you keep talking out of your ass, read this article from June of this year, discussing why Patreon is cracking down on creators.

Or this one.

 

[Violent_Peace]

Okay chucklenuts, before you keep talking out of your ass, read this article from June of this year, discussing why Patreon is cracking down on creators.

Or this one.

Alright dude, but answer me how come a text based game with snuff and cubs is allowed on pateron? You can wave those articles around as much as you want but at the end of the day someone else is doing this crucial thing and fen is scared about losing money for a text based game where you read the porn.

 

[BasedBuckNasty]

I suddenly feel oddly vindicated for killing that problematic Ice Wyrm (I fucking told you that armor would give me psychic powers SUCK IT!!!) and telling Shade she my fam and I don't wanna fuck her cunt snake anymore. I mean, fucking a cunt snake is one thing, but my sister's cunt snake? Naw man.

*cranks up Dashboard Confessional - Vindicated

 

[Raindrops]

I just like how they make the excuse that banks and Credit card companies are complaining about people spending money porn when this is probably just about a couple people who don't like incest and don't want to write it.

Because honestly when did banks care where someone's money go for one and for two If this really is a bank and CC thing then how come there is another dude on pateron making money doing worst fetishes than TITS and incest? They haven't been taken down and they haven't had problems from what I heard.

Either patreon hates Fens game or someone is making up b.s. Also the people who blindly accept, "Its the banks fault, it's the credit card companies fault" just remember this, the credit card company doesn't care as long as it gets it's money, the bank isn't gonna call you because you spend most of you money on porn, unless you overdraft or something like that, but yeah they don't care about your purchases as long as they get money.

Now I feel I'll be banned

When the fuck did you turn into a financial expert? How do *you* know that banks won't care? And why do you think Fen would care if the banks/paypal/patreon didn't? Stop coming with accusations like that where the logic is shaky at best.

 

[Lkynmbr24]

Can this thread just be locked too? This is seriously getting cancerous.

 

[Violent_Peace]

When the fuck did you turn into a financial expert? How do *you* know that banks won't care? And why do you think Fen would care if the banks/paypal/patreon didn't? Stop coming with accusations like that where the logic is shaky at best.

Tbh how do you know I'm not?

Banks and ccs don't give fucks about morals think about it, if you were a bank and you had someone who spend money a shit ton on hentai constantly but maintained their money would you tell then to stop with the hentai or just keep taking their money? Same goes for a cc would you cancel a user's card if they paid for hentai but always kept up payments? This shit here reeks of suspicion. If I'm banned or this thread is locked just remember when this shit gets out that it's bull why they are removing shit then remember that I was the motherfucker who called it first.

 

[Emerald]

Tbh how do you know I'm not?

Banks and ccs don't give fucks about morals think about it, if you were a bank and you had someone who spend money a shit ton on hentai constantly but maintained their money would you tell then to stop with the hentai or just keep taking their money? Same goes for a cc would you cancel a user's card if they paid for hentai but always kept up payments? This shit here reeks of suspicion. If I'm banned or this thread is locked just remember when this shit gets out that it's bull why they are removing shit then remember that I was the motherfucker who called it first.

Dude, maybe you should just stop. >.>

 

[null_blank]

Most of you guys don't know this because you're used to the post-2015 business models of modern niche porn but I'll have you know payment processors/banks HATE handling transactions for porn sites.

Why? According to some bean counters working for banks that transactions for porn sites have high occurrences of fraud, money-laundering, identity theft and requests for refunds. In fact, for all payment processors porn isn't even just considered a high risk transaction, IT GETS OWN CATEGORY. In 2014 you couldn't even pay for online porn with an AMEX card ffs. Banks of course charge porn sites for being high risk. You think Paypal's 5% transaction fees are bad? Being a porn site in the eyes of a bank can cost you as much as 30%-50% per transaction. Also banks have to follow federal laws on what things they cannot provide services to. Depending on the country the oneness either falls upon the content creator, the payment processor or both.

Platforms like Patreon get around fees by acting as a layer of abstraction. 5% beats 30% any day of the week.

HAHA those retards at the banks have no idea what's going on!

oops.

 

[Violent_Peace]

That's a nice piece of info null, right when I was getting near the end i was gonna ask in this post the he'll it's got to do with Pateron, but to be quite honest if this incest was taken out for really money reasons which I'm still skeptical on, then i feel the owners are paranoid because these guys aren't making a visual novel they aren't making animation or even comics. They are making a text based porn game with small bust up in the top left corner. I find it funny he worries about this and not about anyone finding out about CoC and the goblin daughters that could attempt to gang rape you.

 

[Balaknightfang]

That's a nice piece of info null, right when I was getting near the end i was gonna ask in this post the he'll it's got to do with Pateron, but to be quite honest if this incest was taken out for really money reasons which I'm still skeptical on, then i feel the owners are paranoid because these guys aren't making a visual novel they aren't making animation or even comics. They are making a text based porn game with small bust up in the top left corner. I find it funny he worries about this and not about anyone finding out about CoC and the goblin daughters that could attempt to gang rape you.

That's because CoC isn't being funded on patreon. It isn't being funded at all. Because of that, he's under no danger from CoC being the thing that gets him taken off Patreon. It's TiTS exclusively that's in question. In addition, he was being preemptive: trying to avoid drawing any attention in order to avoid any major scrutiny, since we already have Dubcon and other things that might skirt the rules of Patreon.

Also, if it relates to the banks, it relates to Patreon. Patreon's money has to go somewhere. They're a middleman.

 

[null_blank]

That's a nice piece of info null, right when I was getting near the end i was gonna ask in this post the he'll it's got to do with Pateron, but to be quite honest if this incest was taken out for really money reasons which I'm still skeptical on, then i feel the owners are paranoid because these guys aren't making a visual novel they aren't making animation or even comics. They are making a text based porn game with small bust up in the top left corner. I find it funny he worries about this and not about anyone finding out about CoC and the goblin daughters that could attempt to gang rape you.

Remember just because a policy hasn't been enforced fairly, evenly or at all doesn't mean you are immune to said policy.
Summertime Saga, MILFy City, Insexual Awakening (formerly Incestual Awakening) have all felt the sting of policy on Patreon. If they see their peers on Patreon getting fucked it's common sense to assume you will eventually also be fucked.
So fuck yes I'd be paranoid, I'd also reach out to Patreon to see what we could do to pre-empt any of this shit.

People keep recommending platforms, no one mentions payment processors. FUCK PLATFORMS. Find a payment processor that doesn't charge exorbitant fees for pornographic content and you will have an argument.

For example, someone mentioned some rando platform that coincidentally uses Stripe as a payment processor:

Restricted Businesses

Last Updated: November 12, 2018

The following categories of businesses and business practices are restricted from using the Stripe Service ("Restricted Businesses").

...

Adult content and services Pornography and other obscene materials (including literature, imagery and other media) depicting nudity or explicitly sexual acts;

So it's all fun and games until your payment processor figures out what's going on.

Companies like Mastercard and Paypal know what's going on, they're not retarded and playing games, looking for loopholes, trying to catch them in some sort of logic trap is going to end badly.

TL;DR Porn content producers are treated like criminals by banks, always have and seemingly always will.

 

[Evil]

This and similar threads are starting to breed a toxic atmosphere on the forum.

I've seen similar situations on different forums (often for much tamer topics), and it might be the best solution here is a zero tolerance policy

If another thread starts up, autolock it.

You don't have to ban people, but you are preempting some toxic back and forth and stopping it in its tracks.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for debate and discussion, but right now that isn't happening. People are getting aggressive because the same two points keep coming up and being constantly ignored.

 

[Magic Ted]

It happens. I can't imagine the discord is much better. Fenco stuff is such a slow burn that people don't give a fuck until something actually comes up to back and forth about, which they'll do for a while. See, uh, Steph's scene removal, Riya inclusion, Badger's inclusion, Aurora's inclusion, probably some other stuff. Unfortunately, despite being a text based smut game literacy is neither a requirement nor terribly common, apparently, to enjoy it. s h r u g.

Banks and ccs don't give fucks about morals think about it, if you were a bank and you had someone who spend money a shit ton on hentai constantly but maintained their money would you tell then to stop with the hentai or just keep taking their money? Same goes for a cc would you cancel a user's card if they paid for hentai but always kept up payments? This shit here reeks of suspicion. If I'm banned or this thread is locked just remember when this shit gets out that it's bull why they are removing shit then remember that I was the motherfucker who called it first.

ha ha ha how wrong you are.

and also extremely fucking stupid, but more importantly wrong.

Now, that said. There is no where for this discussion to go, as the answer to "can we mod it in??" is a no.

no you cannot.