Is there any way to mod incest content back in?
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Shade is going to remain untouched for the time being.
But with regards to mods, its a hard no. And I'm guessing its so that Fen can have a degree of safety. If a patch or a mod was released and Patreon caught wind of it, even if Fen didn't know about it, they could probably use it as justification to shut down his account.
But with regards to mods, its a hard no. And I'm guessing its so that Fen can have a degree of safety. If a patch or a mod was released and Patreon caught wind of it, even if Fen didn't know about it, they could probably use it as justification to shut down his account.
Do you really think Patreon would care about that? Third party content or not, it would still be adding something to the game that they have been cracking down on the last few months.
Even if Fen had no idea about it or did not condone it, someone at Patreon could still say "Yes, but its your game and they couldn't have made it without access to it, therefore we're banning you".
Even if Fen had no idea about it or did not condone it, someone at Patreon could still say "Yes, but its your game and they couldn't have made it without access to it, therefore we're banning you".
Wouldn't be able to talk about it nor link to it on any official forums or anything officially associated with the brand. I remember one guy went as far as to scrub any mentions of it on his discord as well when he got hit.
This isn't guesswork. It's already happened to a creator that make (more or less) as much money a month as Fen does. Drastic measures were taken to get his account back.
This isn't guesswork. It's already happened to a creator that make (more or less) as much money a month as Fen does. Drastic measures were taken to get his account back.
IIRC, change the name of the game, remove all mention of familial connections to MC in all text in game, remove any links to patches that restore previous content on their official website and on their official discord
Now granted, incest was the primary focus of his game so drastic measures were the only kind he could take. he basically had to change the entire game in a week or so
Fen is currently making $32,000/month on Patreon.
For that kind of money, I'd let you raw-dog fuck my ass, and I can't imagine there's a lot a person wouldn't do for that kind of money. Be thankful that removing questionable material is all Patreon wants us to do.
Oh well that must’ve really sucked for him! Oh and I was obviously joking when I said that. (No not what I just said)
Lol! Plus Damn that’s a lot of money!
Not really, between splitting it multiple ways and paying for whatever upkeep that money pays for.
That's the same logic as "they couldn't have shot you if you hadn't left your house that day," and not something they would do. They won't (and can't) do that any more than Microsoft would fire somebody because their wife ran Linux.
As you yourself said, that guy's game was based on incest ("Perverted" Hotel, right?), so he quite understandably went overboard in his panic. Realistically, scrubbing any mention from forums, discord, etc. is unreasonable, not just excessive. As long as it's not something that's officially endorsed or acknowledged, Patreon has no ammunition. Same reason Skyrim is rated M because of blood, drugs, and language, not AO because people make sex mods.
I just hope future Nykke will have some preg content, in light of all this.
EDIT~ In all honesty, the smart thing to do would be to find some method other than Patreon to support everything. As several people have already pointed out in other threads, incest is frankly the *least* offensive "taboo" that TiTS has. There's rape out the wazoo and bestiality by most definitions, if nothing else.
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I wonder why this incest thing didn't get locked down yet?.
Well to just post before this little thing gets locked down and B comes in saying stfu.
Imma give a bit of my two cents here.
In regards of incest stuff I feel both sides are kinda at fault, not pateron and Fen co but fenco and his fans here. The fans for asking for something like that, and the writer for actually going through with making it and the coders for actually going through and coding.
But personally I think this all would be solved if they just switched platforms to make money on and read the terms and services on that site and just make money else where but I don't even know why they just won't get up and move things over.
Maybe someone will go off at me and say."It's because that's too much money to just drop."
Well he doesn't have to just drop the current money he has there he can take out some of it and put it into an account and stop taking money till he switched over to another website, pay his people out of the account then close the account when everything is moved.
This is ending up sounding like not wanting to compromise because of lack of action or just lazyness. What's to happen when next month if patron just went full on family oriented and say no adult content on their website and dropped all the sexual people making money there without warning or reason? Will fen just shrug and do the whole "Guess we'll die then"
Hell I'm not even someone who likes shit like this and I'm standing up for it or trying to find a compromise.
Well to just post before this little thing gets locked down and B comes in saying stfu.
Imma give a bit of my two cents here.
In regards of incest stuff I feel both sides are kinda at fault, not pateron and Fen co but fenco and his fans here. The fans for asking for something like that, and the writer for actually going through with making it and the coders for actually going through and coding.
But personally I think this all would be solved if they just switched platforms to make money on and read the terms and services on that site and just make money else where but I don't even know why they just won't get up and move things over.
Maybe someone will go off at me and say."It's because that's too much money to just drop."
Well he doesn't have to just drop the current money he has there he can take out some of it and put it into an account and stop taking money till he switched over to another website, pay his people out of the account then close the account when everything is moved.
This is ending up sounding like not wanting to compromise because of lack of action or just lazyness. What's to happen when next month if patron just went full on family oriented and say no adult content on their website and dropped all the sexual people making money there without warning or reason? Will fen just shrug and do the whole "Guess we'll die then"
Hell I'm not even someone who likes shit like this and I'm standing up for it or trying to find a compromise.
That's not going to solve anything. If anything, it would only delay the problem.
It's not Patreon's fault and people should stop thinking it is. Patreon only provides a service, a service that is controlled and regulated by banks, credit card companies and other financial organisations. They're the ones who want a crackdown on what they perceive to be "socially unfit" enterprises. So Fen going to another site would ultimately mean nothing, they'd soon get pressure from the ones pulling the purse strings and then we'd be back to square one.
Tbh I kinda feel pateron is the problem, it's causing fen and co to remove content and I don't think this was the first time they removed content because of Pateron.
There are a ton of different sites like pateron. Like go fund me, fundable, fund anything (yes that's it's name), Rocket hub, small knot
There are a ton of different sites like pateron. Like go fund me, fundable, fund anything (yes that's it's name), Rocket hub, small knot
But that's just it. Going to another site wouldn't solve anything, because each of them provide a connecting service between financial institutes and people like Fen. Its credit card companies and banks who transfer the money through Patreon, but they're also the ones who don't want to deal with anything they don't like.
I mean, if Patreon refused to do what the banks or companies asked, they'd lose business and shut down.
I mean, if Patreon refused to do what the banks or companies asked, they'd lose business and shut down.
Nice virtue signaling there.
All use the same payment processors and have different and in some cases more restrictive ToS's than Patreon. Don't get me wrong, I'd love for Fen & Co to move to a platform that takes gift cards as a form of payment again but not really worth it.
I mean jesus christ stop trying to give Fen business advice. I like you guys and all but I wouldn't take business advice from any of you.
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I kinda feel the financial and business advice some people are offering would be like getting health tips from Plague victims.
Yup just gotta yell out what I don't like.
But I still think that this is a pretty easy thing to fix despite how hard it would be to find another website.
I will virtue signal once again and say, I feel that this was kind of a both fans and fenco thing that started this, because wasn't there a thing a long while back where it was mentioned before that nothing could happen with the cousin sexually and that was before the whole thing with the ice dragon and the incest some people are crying about, I'm just curious how that got coded and passed by Fen and co at the time.
Also to the people crying about it, just wait till the game is done, someone will mod it and throw it back in as a revamped mod, or it might just be changed as you get to fuck some other dragon or their half breed kids or some rusher will get modded and look like half a wyrm or something I don't know.
Its not even about it being difficult to go to another website. If that would have solved the problem, I'm sure Fen would've jumped the ship months ago. The website is not the problem, its the credit card companies and financial institutions they work with.
Its the fact that the same thing would happen down the line.
Let's say that Patreon suddenly had a highly successful competitor called Faptreon. And let's say Dave had a very successful enterprise on Patreon, he's making five digits every month, but because of the pressure from Patreon who are themselves getting leaned on by the banks, credit card companies and so on, Dave considers making the change over to Faptreon because they promise a bit more freedom. It could be a couple of days, it could be a couple of weeks or months, but I'm fairly certain that Faptreon would be getting pressure from the banks and the credit card companies they have to work with to deal with unsavoury enterprises like Dave's and its the same thing all over again.
Why is that so difficult for people to understand? Do I need to make diagrams? Because I will feckin' make diagrams.
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B's excellent with those as well, seeing what he did with Paige! Maybe he can help with that too!
The thing I appreciate the most about this whole affair is from the side of people you are representing here, who don't exactly read.
"Well let's find another site!" "It's not the site, it's the payment processors ie the banks that are universal on this front." "BUT THE SITE"
The reason why it's being changed around now is that recently patreon has actually been prompted to enforce these rulings re:incest on a few other projects. Projects that are loudly HELLO THIS IS INCEST GAME but still, enforced.
So; until the various payment businesses change their terms of service there will not be incestuous content in TiTs (and etc) not will a mod be supported in any official capacity or allowed within the official community reigns to do so for the product. (Again, there is examples of this being enforced. They're thorough.)
Yeah till someone makes another project like frostie or someone ask if they can stick their dick or get their pussy impaled on it, I won't be surprised when Fen removes another thing because Pater- Wait mybad I mean the banks start saying they don't like the next fetish, I just hope the next thing they hate isn't furries because then this will all end badly.
From a purely technical standpoint, all the content that ever made it into a public release is buried somewhere in the public github of tits. So yes, you could make a modded version with incest patched in.
The whole situation is a damn shame and I'm worried what patreon or their business partners might axe next. I doubt it's going to be a slippery slope where all porn gets axed as that's a major part of their business.
EDIT: I would like to draw attention to TiTS's (lack of a) license here: github dotcom /OXOIndustries/TiTS-Public/blob/master/LICENSE.md
To paraphrase, the source code is available but it is not free and open source software. It is expressly (and would be implicitly anyways) copyright infringement to make and distribute a TiTS mod unless you get permission from Fenoxo and friends. So when I said "from a purely technical standpoint," I meant it. Pressure from the financial side of things could lead them to shuttering the public github and potentially never allow mods and that would be a really big damn shame.
EDIT2: Edit Harder. Having the github link made the forum flag the edit as having spam-like content.
The whole situation is a damn shame and I'm worried what patreon or their business partners might axe next. I doubt it's going to be a slippery slope where all porn gets axed as that's a major part of their business.
EDIT: I would like to draw attention to TiTS's (lack of a) license here: github dotcom /OXOIndustries/TiTS-Public/blob/master/LICENSE.md
To paraphrase, the source code is available but it is not free and open source software. It is expressly (and would be implicitly anyways) copyright infringement to make and distribute a TiTS mod unless you get permission from Fenoxo and friends. So when I said "from a purely technical standpoint," I meant it. Pressure from the financial side of things could lead them to shuttering the public github and potentially never allow mods and that would be a really big damn shame.
EDIT2: Edit Harder. Having the github link made the forum flag the edit as having spam-like content.
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Basically this. Frostwyrmlings aren't going to come back in any form as they're a liability, even if patreon said it was okay they still wouldn't be put back in the game along with any other close incest content. As for mods it's also a no, when TiTs is finished (or dies) mods (potentially) will be allowed.
Edit: Frostwyrmlings won't come back in a sexual way, Sorry if that was confusing.
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There's something I just don't get here: why are people trying to blame fans for wanting incest content? The implication of incest between the protagonist of TiTS and their blood-related cousin is in both the first ten minutes of the game AND in the design doc for TiTS. The structure of the whole game is that the main character of this porn game is working against a rival (again, their blood-related cousin) who spends the whole game teasing them only to finally, one can presume, lose to the main character and (if the player likes) get banged by said main character who is again the rival's cousin. That is the game's driving force. To suggest that with that premise the audience shouldn't find incest interesting (if not essential to this game even making narrative sense) seems ludicrous.
I don't think we have to blame Team Fenoxo (I don't blame them for what happened, though I don't agree with the way they executed this choice either) or Patreon (though we should definitely blame the likes of Paypal) to think that this situation is both intolerable and has the potential to ruin TiTS. And I don't just mean narratively, but also quite possibly financially as well when people start to realize how fundamentally this change hurts the game.
I don't think we have to blame Team Fenoxo (I don't blame them for what happened, though I don't agree with the way they executed this choice either) or Patreon (though we should definitely blame the likes of Paypal) to think that this situation is both intolerable and has the potential to ruin TiTS. And I don't just mean narratively, but also quite possibly financially as well when people start to realize how fundamentally this change hurts the game.
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It's not even like all of the game's cases of incest are being removed... Just only the most egregious cases like immediate family. Heck, the wyrmlings are the only case that was extreme enough (at the moment) that had to be totally removed to be rehashed. Everything else that's still in the game, though is either untouched or had to be adjusted so that their relationships are less direct. As far as Dorna-cest goes, I imagine that won't happen, but that isn't to say we probably won't still see a threesome with them, just they won't be fucking each other through it... Cause nothing's wrong with shagging some hot twins! Rival plans are likely still gonna happen too, as there's been no word saying otherwise, only that the cousin might be a more distant or adoptive cousin.
I'm just not quite understanding the whole "gloom and doom" behind all of this despite this. The main thing this affects is future content going forward largely. As long as writers take the necessary steps to avoid anything that may be too controversial going forward from here on, it should be fine.
I'm just not quite understanding the whole "gloom and doom" behind all of this despite this. The main thing this affects is future content going forward largely. As long as writers take the necessary steps to avoid anything that may be too controversial going forward from here on, it should be fine.
Well said.
Look, at this stage the discussion is going around in circles and isn't doing anything useful.
The salient points right now are;
- The wyrmlings have been removed so that they can be reworked and not get Fen financially lynched.
- Nykke will be in the game, just with a slightly different origin.
- Shade's future content has not been dismissed and will more likely remain.
- The Rival will most likely remain with only a slight rework if they need it.
Look, at this stage the discussion is going around in circles and isn't doing anything useful.
The salient points right now are;
- The wyrmlings have been removed so that they can be reworked and not get Fen financially lynched.
- Nykke will be in the game, just with a slightly different origin.
- Shade's future content has not been dismissed and will more likely remain.
- The Rival will most likely remain with only a slight rework if they need it.
It's funny to me what people think is a "slight rework" when it comes to incest fetish. "Sure, sure, as long as the word 'cousin' is in there somewhere it means the same thing! What are they worried about? Cousin, adoptive cousin, step cousin, roommate, person who I call 'cousin' but is actually just my father's family friend who I got sent to live with after he and mom and all my other close relatives burned to death? Same thing!"
Super. While we're at it, sex with really really big penises is dangerous to most people. Could result in fistulae, serious damage to reproductive organs, quite possibly death! So why doesn't Fen just cut down on some controversial content there too and cap top penis size for all characters at 8"? Sounds like a slight change to me, since I don't have a fetish for huge cocks and eight inches is already very big when it comes to real human penises. Therefore, nobody would care. Right? That's how things work? If something isn't important to me then it doesn't matter to anyone else?
If it's not clear, I get why Fenoxo is doing it: because fictional incest gets special status as far as Patreon is concerned as opposed to a bunch of other fetishes. But that doesn't mean the optics of saying 'You, people with this specific fetish, don't matter! Your fetish is unimportant!" in the context of a game whose primary fetish is one that would have been considered pretty fucking niche ten years ago, look good. Expect more people to be pissed, and it might help to calm them if people here who aren't directly affected by this change at least pretend to take them seriously. Otherwise, no, you're not really dealing with the problem.
Super. While we're at it, sex with really really big penises is dangerous to most people. Could result in fistulae, serious damage to reproductive organs, quite possibly death! So why doesn't Fen just cut down on some controversial content there too and cap top penis size for all characters at 8"? Sounds like a slight change to me, since I don't have a fetish for huge cocks and eight inches is already very big when it comes to real human penises. Therefore, nobody would care. Right? That's how things work? If something isn't important to me then it doesn't matter to anyone else?
If it's not clear, I get why Fenoxo is doing it: because fictional incest gets special status as far as Patreon is concerned as opposed to a bunch of other fetishes. But that doesn't mean the optics of saying 'You, people with this specific fetish, don't matter! Your fetish is unimportant!" in the context of a game whose primary fetish is one that would have been considered pretty fucking niche ten years ago, look good. Expect more people to be pissed, and it might help to calm them if people here who aren't directly affected by this change at least pretend to take them seriously. Otherwise, no, you're not really dealing with the problem.
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