Is there a reason men can't slut-train Delilah?
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Del covers the forced feminization fetish. It's not just about getting fucked is the ass, it's about doing so while pretending to be a girl. This is why a slut-trained Del will go on to become a busty shemale in the eventual expansion, and hopefully from there might even be seduced into going hermaphrodite or full female. It's similar territory to a trap, but not identical, as it's more about physical pleasure causing a shift in gender identity from being just too good to resist.
Similarly, this is why you can slut train Del even if you have a pussy as long as you also have a dick, though it'd be nice to slip a line in there about avoiding using it to focus on your ass.
Similarly, this is why you can slut train Del even if you have a pussy as long as you also have a dick, though it'd be nice to slip a line in there about avoiding using it to focus on your ass.
I'm pretty sure it explicitly only refers to your ass the whole time, but a line about intentionally grabbing cocks trying to go for the puss and guiding them to the back door wouldn't be remiss, I suppose!
I'm sad the proposed straight-trap slut training idea seems to have died. The idea of a bunch of ladies molesting Del into lesbianism would be extremely hot.
Ideally it ought to be a thing you can push for rather than something mandatory, much like you can leave Del a trappy male by not breaking her in. I personally would find herm or female Del extremely hot and would love to be able to get that as a final form option by doing the correct things with her, but not necessarily the only option.
I'd recommend letting Steele be a bit more active in coaxing that kind of transformation.
For instance, one thing that comes to mind is a pussy-wielding Steele being able to have another bar orgy, but this one involving both holes and with Steele making an effort to fan the flames of jealousy in Del by crooning over how good it feels to have a pussy. Obviously you need an alternative method if Steele is dick-only, but that type of diegetic option is ideal.
Though speaking of dick, Del's cock is something to consider. Personally I think it fits the fetish best for her not to be allowed to use it until fully broken in, but I wouldn't mind herm or shemale Del getting a dose or two of Throbb in her to give her something up to Syri's standards if/when Steele decides she's ready for the reward of fucking the captain. For trap Del, not being all that hung is part of the aesthetic, and it's more thematically fitting for Del to only gain what many would consider a sign of masculinity once she's changed in a way that twists it instead into a sign of the superiority of the feminine form. A height bump is another good cue to use for this.
That basically leaves you with four form options, though thankfully only two scene sets and personalities:
* Trap Del: don't break him in, Del stays male and meek/cutely uncomfortable. Pretty much the same bits of content Del has right now. Kind of a different rabbit hole from the other options, I'll let someone more interested in traps outline what they'd want from that content.
* Shemale Del: break her in but don't tempt to a pussy, Del goes busty and slutty. Possibly make her taller than Trap Del on the second encounter, then either grow her dick bigger as part of the second encounter content or make it something she does between the second and third. Should probably be her default if the player ignores her on the second encounter.
* Female Del: break her in on the first encounter and tempt her to switch from dick to pussy on the second. Probably can share almost all of Shemale Del's dialogue and any scenes where she doesn't actually use her dick on someone, with adjustments to account for the switch, plus a vaginal scene.
* Herm Del: break her in, get her to both get a pussy and grow her dick. Same content as Female and Shemale Del with some extra lines regarding the extra bits. All three of these are basically the same character with the scenes adjusted a bit to account for dick / no dick, vag / no vag, so ideally it shouldn't be too much hassle.
For instance, one thing that comes to mind is a pussy-wielding Steele being able to have another bar orgy, but this one involving both holes and with Steele making an effort to fan the flames of jealousy in Del by crooning over how good it feels to have a pussy. Obviously you need an alternative method if Steele is dick-only, but that type of diegetic option is ideal.
Though speaking of dick, Del's cock is something to consider. Personally I think it fits the fetish best for her not to be allowed to use it until fully broken in, but I wouldn't mind herm or shemale Del getting a dose or two of Throbb in her to give her something up to Syri's standards if/when Steele decides she's ready for the reward of fucking the captain. For trap Del, not being all that hung is part of the aesthetic, and it's more thematically fitting for Del to only gain what many would consider a sign of masculinity once she's changed in a way that twists it instead into a sign of the superiority of the feminine form. A height bump is another good cue to use for this.
That basically leaves you with four form options, though thankfully only two scene sets and personalities:
* Trap Del: don't break him in, Del stays male and meek/cutely uncomfortable. Pretty much the same bits of content Del has right now. Kind of a different rabbit hole from the other options, I'll let someone more interested in traps outline what they'd want from that content.
* Shemale Del: break her in but don't tempt to a pussy, Del goes busty and slutty. Possibly make her taller than Trap Del on the second encounter, then either grow her dick bigger as part of the second encounter content or make it something she does between the second and third. Should probably be her default if the player ignores her on the second encounter.
* Female Del: break her in on the first encounter and tempt her to switch from dick to pussy on the second. Probably can share almost all of Shemale Del's dialogue and any scenes where she doesn't actually use her dick on someone, with adjustments to account for the switch, plus a vaginal scene.
* Herm Del: break her in, get her to both get a pussy and grow her dick. Same content as Female and Shemale Del with some extra lines regarding the extra bits. All three of these are basically the same character with the scenes adjusted a bit to account for dick / no dick, vag / no vag, so ideally it shouldn't be too much hassle.
This is one of those things that's going to be received very differently by different people because of the fairly limited scope of the fetish. The intention of the scene and character is rather specific and a lot of people seem to be missing the point or are looking for something else here that just was never intended. This sort of discussion is probably inevitable whenever you add in pretty niche content. This particular discussion seems to come up a lot too.
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I'm not sure why the shemale (which, IIRC, is an offensive term to transsexuals, so perhaps we should stop using it) option should necessarily get a bigger dick. Folks with a fetish for non-herm dickgirls don't necessarily have a fetish for big dicked non-herm dickgirls.
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I agree that dick growth should be an optional change for shemale!Del in Coach's first scenario, especially since you break her and mold her into a mostly passive role. I've always separated two uses of the word 'shemale' as a derogatory term and as a fetish description of ' feminine dickgirls with no vagina'. Kinda like the word 'жид' simultaneously existing nowadays in Russian and Ukrainian as a derogatory term and as a neutral nationality description respectively (kike/Jew).
I agree with this. If you were to describe Embry as a shemale, that would be offensive, because in that case it's a slur. Describing Syri as a shemale is just the use of a piece of kink jargon to describe a particular configuration of genitalia.
Wait, what? I thought Kaede was born the way she is? Have I forgotten Talon Rogue's story entirely?! Story time it is then.
Edit: as for the question itself... I wouldn't count using the term when discussing her on this forum as slur, since I assume people here are more interested in fetishes than bigotry. If addressing that matter was an option in her dialogue, I would have tried to get some feedback from her on that matter and went with the option she preferred. Depending on her mood and the character I would have been RPing at the moment, some optional nitpicking and teasing.
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I speak to my own personal preferences in body type, obviously, recognizing that not all of those preferences are universal.
Of course, if the project had to be trimmed for practicality, which it probably ought to be, I'd strongly prioritize getting a full-fledged girl Del that Steele could show the glories of having a pussy over a bigger-dicked shemale.
Oh, I totally thought Kaede was a herm, lol.
I don't think words like shemale are offensive. I mean, just like with futa, herm, and trap, it's just a word we use to differentiate between (often niche and specific) porn.
I don't think words like shemale are offensive. I mean, just like with futa, herm, and trap, it's just a word we use to differentiate between (often niche and specific) porn.
From what I've read, it's a term that is rarely, if ever, used to describe actual people as opposed to a genre, and the literal translation of the word doesn't point towards it being the case. Japanese slang is mighty weird though.
Questionable! I think it'd depend on the context and Kaede's own feelings on the matter. I'm in favour of getting better words for various configurations of body type and genitalia.
"Newhalf: From Japanese ニューハーフ (nyūhāfu, “new half”), from ハーフ (hāfu, “half; person of mixed Japanese and other ancestry”), suggesting that trans women are a new kind of "half" (namely half-male and half-female)."
I don't know about you, but I'd be insulted by being considered half-not-my-preferred-sex.
Kaede being trans is kind of surprising to me, actually.
Transgenderism in a setting where you can pop a pill and switch sex seems like a thing that should kind of be past tense in general. When the barriers to achieving whatever you feel is your natural configuration are so low, a person's previous sexual configuration or configurations should only be relevant as far as they apply to life experiences prior to being of age to allow for transformation. So presumably Kaede is not a former male wanting to be a female, but rather a former male wanting to be a shemale-treated-as-feminine, since if Kaede wanted to be biologically female then nothing would stop her from ditching her dick and growing a pussy. Am I correct?
Transgenderism in a setting where you can pop a pill and switch sex seems like a thing that should kind of be past tense in general. When the barriers to achieving whatever you feel is your natural configuration are so low, a person's previous sexual configuration or configurations should only be relevant as far as they apply to life experiences prior to being of age to allow for transformation. So presumably Kaede is not a former male wanting to be a female, but rather a former male wanting to be a shemale-treated-as-feminine, since if Kaede wanted to be biologically female then nothing would stop her from ditching her dick and growing a pussy. Am I correct?
Sex changing TF items that are currently available in the game have one or several of the following drawbacks: 1)illegal; 2)accompanied by dangerous and/or annoying side affects; 3)expensive as hell. So while the stigma of being a transsexual should be a lot less problematic with most societies in TiTS, actually changing one's sex isn't too too easy.
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That's pretty much exactly the point I was trying to make with her at the time, yes (and one of the reasons I'm not very fond of Embry). As a teen, Kaede just saved up enough money to go to her local TamaniCorp/JoyCo shop and chug pills until she got the body she wanted. Either the particular combination of drugs she took (Estrobloom+, mostly) didn't happen to give her a vagina, or she just opted not to pursue treatment further. After all, when your mom's a dickgirl bombshell and you live in a society where dickgirls are pretty darn common (and desirable), I don't know that Kaede would have felt too strongly about changing her genital set-up.
Given how many drugs (legal and illegal) there are in TiTSverse and how open everyone is about sex, I don't think the words you use are likely to offend.