Is Gwyn thinking about Garth or the PC?

[Tobey Maguire]

For the 'daddy' roleplay with Gwyn before you actually do the roleplay she says something along the lines of "I don't want to think of Garth because it would be demeaning to you and him" but later on in the scene the PC covers her eyes so she can "live out her fantasy easier".

So is Gwyn imagining the PC as her father or is she thinking about Garth specifically?

Another thing is that she says she doesn't think about Garth that way but that she's just jealous of the fact she isn't his #1 girl or something.

 

[zagzig]

She also looks at the PC wistfully when you're being carried to the bedroom by Garret. And Garth has to dispel rumours that Garret is the father of Gwyn's pups.

Something is not right with that family. Or, depending on your fetish set, very right.

 

[The Observer]

That's what happens when you traumatically remove their mother at a very young age.

 

[Tobey Maguire]

She also looks at the PC wistfully when you're being carried to the bedroom by Garret. And Garth has to dispel rumours that Garret is the father of Gwyn's pups.

Something is not right with that family. Or, depending on your fetish set, very right.

I'm pretty sure the Garret rumors were just the towns people being assholes..

My problem with the roleplay scene is that I can't figure out if she's sexually attracted to her father or just has a 'daddy' kink based on daddy issues and imagines you're her father.
Let's say with TiTS there's a daddy scene with Urbolg where Steele calls him 'daddy' but the PC isn't attracted to their father, however, for Gwyn I can't figure out what her problem is and it just weirds me out that she's probably thinking about Garth.

 

[Tobey Maguire]

The way this family is I'm surprised there isn't a 'mommy' option for Garret.

Spoiler

Then there's Garth who was apparently going to have sex with his illegitimate daughter.

 

[zagzig]

I'm pretty sure the Garret rumors were just the towns people being assholes..

My problem with the roleplay scene is that I can't figure out if she's sexually attracted to her father or just has a 'daddy' kink based on daddy issues and imagines you're her father.
Let's say with TiTS there's a daddy scene with Urbolg where Steele calls him 'daddy' but the PC isn't attracted to their father, however, for Gwyn I can't figure out what her problem is and it just weirds me out that she's probably thinking about Garth.

The scene is initiated by you smelling like Garth and references father/daughter interactions she's talked about having with Garth. Yes, she is 100% thinking about Garth.

The funny thing being that given everything else that happens in CoC2, Gwyn's psychosexual daddy issues are one of the less insane things going on in the Frost Marches right now.

The way this family is I'm surprised there isn't a 'mommy' option for Garret.

*The Observer quickly closes a half-written Garret nursing scene tab*

 

[Tobey Maguire]

Well im going to continue believing her saying "she won't think about Garth" is true and pretend Gwyn is not thinking about Garth if I try that scene again. Hopefully Gywn gets over her daddy issues once her mom comes back.

Wait why would their mom leaving cause daddy issues if her father was always there caring for her? Wouldn't she have mommy issues like Garret?
I don't know why im trying so hard to get the incest stuff out of my head.

 

[zagzig]

Well im going to continue believing her saying "she won't think about Garth" is true and pretend Gwyn is not thinking about Garth if I try that scene again. Hopefully Gywn gets over her daddy issues once her mom comes back.

Wait why would their mom leaving cause daddy issues if her father was always there caring for her? Wouldn't she have mommy issues like Garret?
I don't know why im trying so hard to get the incest stuff out of my head.

If it makes you feel better psychosexual issues regarding your parents are pretty common. Freud may have been a drugged up pervert but he was on to something. And there is a pretty solid line (EDIT: Dividing line. Very important clarification) between 'having a subconscious (or conscious) attraction to men who have qualities that remind you of your father' and 'boning your dad'.

As for the daddy issues, I can't speak for the author but I tracked it as Gwyn watching her father suffering in the aftermath of her mother's supposed callous abandonment and wanting to be there for him (but not bone him, Patreon, as there is no parent/child incest here). So they're derived from her mother but focus on her father as he was there and also she is heterosexual(?).

I bet during the Garret making a lupine female PC his 'bitch' scenes deep down he's going "now you'll never leave me again mummy". (I'm sorry if I just made that really weird for someone who enjoyed the Garret scenes.)

 

[Tenalc13]

I asked my psychiatrist friend about it. He said that the standard subconscious desire to help a parent. This is less common in families in which the mother is absent, because in most cases the other female relative is alive (and she can be a model for the child).
The absent father is a more common problem. And now I'm not talking about voluntary leaving the family, because there are other problems.
So when a boy sees that his mother is suffering from the loss of his beloved husband and breadwinner, he subconsciously compensates for this loss. They also grow up earlier (starting to work at a young age, for example). And this has nothing to do with sexual attraction to the parent. But in our case it may be different. Here we have to wait for the writers themselves to squeeze everything out.

 

[Evil]

Wait why would their mom leaving cause daddy issues if her father was always there caring for her? Wouldn't she have mommy issues like Garret?

Because her father was always there.

Gwyn and Garret lost their mother at the most crucial time in their development and with the sudden loss of an emotional anchor, the twins spun off into wildly different paths. Garret lost his mother and in that loss tried to emulate her by being a fighter, somewhat helped by the fact that he takes after her anyway. Meanwhile, Gwyn, being the baby of the family, latched onto her father for all of her support, to an unhealthy degree.

And you're wrong, Gwyn does have mommy issues, in that she hates her mother, feeling like she abandoned the family. And more than likely what we see from Gwyn's obsession with being knocked up stems from that, that a "good" mommy doesn't leave her kids, a "good" mommy stays behind. Its probably so ingrained at this stage, that Gwyn will never understand that when her mother did what she did to protect her children, she was in fact being a good mother.

But basically, blame Sanders for all of this. By exiling Gweyr, he did more damage to that family then any cult could have done.

 

[Balaknightfang]

By exiling Gweyr, he did more damage to that family then any cult could have done.

Spoiler: Gweyr Paralogue spoilers

Tell that to the families of the people the cult brainwashed only to be murdered by Gweyr

 

[Evil]

Spoiler

Tell that to the families of the people the cult brainwashed only to be murdered by Gweyr

Spoiler

Wasn't talking about the other families. But you want to go there, okay lets go there. They lost loved ones, they lost their children. That's a pain that will never heal, so much so that many of them left. But they at least had someone to mourn, someone to grieve over and they could do whatever funerary practices is practised in the Frost Marches.

What Sanders did was emotionally cut down two children at the most crucial time in their development. And he's watched over that for 20 years and done nothing to help. Gweyr did what she did to protect her family and Sanders broke it.

 

[Balaknightfang]

Spoiler: response

For the record, I was joking, though rereading it in my less-tired state I understand that that was unclear.

My response is thus: the real failure here is on Garth for sheltering his children too hard through the why the mom was exiled. Talking to them genuinely and "arming" them against the whispers of others and doubts in themselves would have done more to deal with this shit than anything else he's done as a parent.

 

[Mad Dog]

That's what happens when you traumatically remove their mother at a very young age.

But it's not like they were abandoned completely. They had Garth there the entire time. Also, Garret and Gweyn were like 3, maybe 5 max. While it probably wouldn't help their mental health, the incident shouldn't have caused Gweyn's complex.

Because her father was always there.

Gwyn and Garret lost their mother at the most crucial time in their development and with the sudden loss of an emotional anchor, the twins spun off into wildly different paths.

I feel like y'all are really overhyping Gweyr leaving. Millions of people live in a single father household and don't grow up wanting to bang their dad and brother.

If anything, I'd either blame Gweyn having some other underlying mental illness or Garth just not raising them right.

I mean, his daughter is overly attached to him and wants to bang him, while his son doesn't listen to a thing he says. Underlying issues aside, Garth gotta take some blame for that.

As for Garret, he probably just wants to emulate his mother based on stories told by his father and his own fragmented memories.

 

[Tobey Maguire]

And you're wrong, Gwyn does have mommy issues, in that she hates her mother, feeling like she abandoned the family. And more than likely what we see from Gwyn's obsession with being knocked up stems from that, that a "good" mommy doesn't leave her kids, a "good" mommy stays behind. Its probably so ingrained at this stage, that Gwyn will never understand that when her mother did what she did to protect her children, she was in fact being a good mother.

Yeah I get she also has mommy issues what I meant is why isn't her mom problem more obvious like Garret. It was meant to be kind of a rhetorical question?

I probably should have worded it better.

 

[Tobey Maguire]

Nevermind I got my answer. I just needed to READ the other option.

"No - Eew, pretend to be Garth and engage in incest with his breed-happy daughter? No thank you, you want no part of this."

This family is so fucked I just want their problems to end already lol.

 

[Tenalc13]

I mean, his daughter is overly attached to him and wants to bang him, while his son doesn't listen to a thing he says. Underlying issues aside, Garth gotta take some blame for that.

As for Garret, he probably just wants to emulate his mother based on stories told by his father and his own fragmented memories.

I think Garrett wants to find recognition from Garth, to show that he is strong and self-reliant. But in Garth's eyes, he's acting stupid. Very similar to the situation with Markus and JD Fenix from Gears 5.
As for Gwyn, it looks like she's trying to replace her mother and be her best. But from some of the dialogues, an impression is created that there may be something else.

 

[Evil]

"No - Eew, pretend to be Garth and engage in incest with his breed-happy daughter? No thank you, you want no part of this."

This family is so fucked I just want their problems to end already lol.

Keep in mind that Garth doesn't like how his daughter looks at him, it creeps him out enough. Not to mention the sheer amount of explaining to everyone that Gwyn's first batch of puppies aren't his.

I think Garrett wants to find recognition from Garth, to show that he is strong and self-reliant. But in Garth's eyes, he's acting stupid. Very similar to the situation with Markus and JD Fenix from Gears 5.

Exactly. If we could sum up the problems the twins have, it would be:
Garret - "Well done, son!" guy - Garth loves his son, but he's seen what blockheadedness and a reckless streak will do to Garret.
Gwyn - She's got a pretty bad case of Electra Complex

 

[Tobey Maguire]

Keep in mind that Garth doesn't like how his daughter looks at him, it creeps him out enough. Not to mention the sheer amount of explaining to everyone that Gwyn's first batch of puppies aren't his.

I thought Garth had to explain her pups weren't Garrets?
I think most of my problems with this stems from wanting more Gwyn content between the PC and Gwyn but what we get is her wanting to bang her dad.

 

[Savin]

Millions of people live in a single father household and don't grow up wanting to bang their dad and brother.

Yeah but they don't live in a literal porn game setting.

 

[Animalistic]

Yeah but they don't live in a literal porn game setting.

Porn setting with no child/parent incest, you mean.

 

[Greyfox643]

Porn setting with no child/parent incest, you mean.

Absolutely none here, neither inferred nor implied as such. Nope, never has been, no characters hinting at it either.

We are free and clear of any of that "taboo incest" atuff.

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

Well how else is she supposed to work out her daddy and mommy issues without a strip club?

That family has some issues. But at least Garret's issues are healthier (weird sentence I know). I always took Gwyn's thing as a daddy kink and that she's so scared of Garth leaving her like Gweyr did, that she unintentionally is coping in a very weird way and it comes across in a creepy way. And if we're psychoanalyzing her, maybe her breed happy behavior is because she desperately wants to be the mom she didn't have and the best way to do that is become the One True Mom of Hawkethorne.

 

[Tobey Maguire]

I always took Gwyn's thing as a daddy kink and that she's so scared of Garth leaving her like Gweyr did, that she unintentionally is coping in a very weird way and it comes across in a creepy way. And if we're psychoanalyzing her, maybe her breed happy behavior is because she desperately wants to be the mom she didn't have and the best way to do that is become the One True Mom of Hawkethorne.

One thing we should clear up is that everyone who's played the game knows Gwyn has a daddy kink about Garth due to mommy problems and nobody is questioning that.

If you ask her about her pregnancy she mentions how she wants you to "claim her and the pups" because Garth will never claim her (for obvious reasons) and the first guy abandoned her.
So basically Gwyn doesn't trust the PC enough for him to replace her dad but can give her what she wants (being a mom and lover/wife)
and her father is her father and he will only love her as a daughter so she won't get to be a mom/wife.

I'm surprised one of the devs or writers hasn't just straight up told me I'm wrong and confirm Gwyn is just horny for her dad.

 

[Wint3rRyd3r]

I'm surprised one of the devs or writers hasn't just straight up told me I'm wrong and confirm Gwyn is just horny for her dad.

Because Patreon is a fickle mistress and they want to protect themselves.

 

[Tobey Maguire]

Because Patreon is a fickle mistress and they want to protect themselves.

I mean isn't Patreon only against it being physical? Because Gwyn is already imagining Garth banging her for the daddy roleplay.

 

[Evil]

I mean isn't Patreon only against it being physical? Because Gwyn is already imagining Garth banging her for the daddy roleplay.

Maybe stop trying to look down that rabbit hole and walk away. Your sanity will thank you later on.

 

[Tobey Maguire]

Maybe stop trying to look down that rabbit hole and walk away. Your sanity will thank you later on.

You're probably right. I got my answer anyway.