How does Bianca work?

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Not enjoying a fetish and forcing writers to write something they don’t like (something I explicitly said was fine to gate) isn’t the same as gating content that quite literally needs no changes at all for x character, but is arbitrarily gated off for them.

As for your perspective on enjoying the game in a different way, I would agree with that, save that the gated off content is so minuscule so as to be entirely not worth it. We’ve got, what, 5-10, maybe 20 at max, gated chars whose interactions are rather minor save for a few? Compared to the absolutely massive amount of content you’ll be repeating, it’s just not worth it. So it’s a decent sized addition to the game if the arbitrary restrictions were removed, but it’s nowhere near enough to justify replaying for.
 
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in the case of this character it would ruin her story to do that. she has a very compelling and logical reason for hating the treatment
Yea and I will never know about it. Cos i cant access her content.
Also treatment isn't only way you go bimbo.
 

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in the case of this character it would ruin her story to do that. she has a very compelling and logical reason for hating the treatment

The Treatment, and anything else that (possibly) warps someone's mind so drastically.

Yea and I will never know about it. Cos i cant access her content.
Also treatment isn't only way you go bimbo.

She still treats you as a doctor would a patient, but she will never let you in. There could be an argument for making it a little clearer that she's being evasive towards bimbos/bros without breaking immersion - an extra scene perhaps, but there are very small details in the first time meeting with her as a Bimbo/Bro where you're meant to get the idea she's not treating you exactly like anyone else, for example. When you try to touch her tails, she never gives you the chance, and if you try to spend time, her body language sends a very specific signal that anyone should get regardless of being bimbo/bro.

[Spend Time]
// PC tries with Ditz Speech

Bianca's looking at you with a ragged smile. She's uptight, stiff, and too concentrated on work. Doesn't she take care of herself? Well, maybe she can start with you! In a {high pitched, cute/deep, broad} voice you ask her if she'd be willing to sit back and relax with you.

In response, Bianca tilts her head, the tiny smile curving into a knit, gloomy grimace. "I'm sorry, [pc.name]. I don't have the time to do that..." She does a one-eighty and stands facing the wilderness. "If you don't need help, then I have to get going..."

Bianca {bimboBro: frowns faintly but /else: nods her head and}

// PC has Ditz Speech (Bimbo/Bro never-advance blurb)

"I'm good!" you give her a thumbs-up. Bianca nods quietly and turns away from you. Is she upset? Naw, she's probably just busy. You can see it in the way her tails move, she's as active as can be!

And it couldn't hurt to give 'em a little attention, perk her right back up. With non-existent social grace you push forward, reaching brazenly for her tails, only for her to sidestep you completely. Because of her sudden movement you nearly trip and fall, eliciting a laugh from everyone in the line in front of you.

"Are you okay?" Bianca asks in a voice that hints at nothing.

You shrug your shoulders with a smirk and move on, thinking nothing of what just happened.

There are some extra details I need to add, so I'll see about slotting in an extra bit of coldness when you meet her again, a one-off where she notices what you've become. She currently doesn't have a very strong reaction in random encounters, but that's also because she's in her element and wouldn't give much of anything away. She's too kind to say anything to your face like that regardless.

But like anyone in real life, you can't just expect everyone to like you. You also can't expect anyone to tell you why they're avoiding you. I feel it's well signaled, but I like to think I'm not rigid in thought - I'll make amends if there is a strong case for it.
 
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Oh no I do agree that it will break some of the immersion, I fully understand that, but the issue I found was more on multiple charas not just bianca. Thats why I never went after the writing decision of it. I more went off on the lacking game feature. Because at this rate i will need 5 or so different characters to access all of the content of the game. That is tedious as hell and would ruin some of my enjoyment.

I just found it slightly more irking for her. Because I like the characters theme more because it relates to me, being a medical professional and all.

Another annoying part is you cant remove bimbofication yet in the game. And I feel there should be something for that. If new charas pop up that hate bimbos
 

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Oh no I do agree that it will break some of the immersion, I fully understand that, but the issue I found was more on multiple charas not just bianca. Thats why I never went after the writing decision of it. I more went off on the lacking game feature. Because at this rate i will need 5 or so different characters to access all of the content of the game. That is tedious as hell and would ruin some of my enjoyment.

I just found it slightly more irking for her. Because I like the characters theme more because it relates to me, being a medical professional and all.

In the future, I still have a Nursebun planned to be attached to Bianca. If you're not opposed to Futa laquines. If you've a male character, she can also go Purefem for even more loving on that front.
 

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Hah that sounds interesting, but I’d prefer her more futa honestly.
But ye about Bianca, I’m probably gonna wait one day for de-bimbofication to be a thing. Because with so many charas popping up that dislike em. Its bound to be in game at some point.
 

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God thing i read this before i started my newest run, i was planning to try out a Bimbo Tech build for the first time but knowing that this new NPC i have yet to meet doesnt like bimbos I guess I'll go for the good old amazon.

Though someone should mention on her wiki page she hates Steeles with brute/bimbo speech perk.
 

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One of the... possible licensing terms for each artist's contribution to this work are restrictions on how their writing can be accessed within an interactive system.
I don't mean to refer to whether this is actually the case, or that the matter is what legal right you have. Just that a writer might have as their fondest intent for the player not to get to the content in any game other than this game, how it is made, with its content locks.

So an argument about a magnitude of effort to edit things is beside the point, if the conclusion is to be what is the nicer gesture.
 

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William, I recall (thank you for that great response by the way) you stating that she doesn't get upset due to a supposed lack of intelligence, but due to the significant alterations of the treatment, but you just stated that amazon's are allowed to interact with her, despite going through the exact same process bimbo's and "brutes" (bulls, every other treated male you meet acts nothing like you) do? Both treated males and females are stated as not having any form of reduced intelligence in the lore, but nonetheless are treated differently from amazons, so I don't exactly understand.

As someone who really enjoys the light hearted sex positive content associated with "bimbo" characters, it gets a bit exhausting hearing about how I've apparently done some kind of horrible permanent multilation to my PC, and constantly get guilted and shunned and mocked by characters for it.

On Gastigoth, Steele self references it as lobotomizing when Brandt mentions cutting out a section of her brain in order to remove her implants, and that genuinely upset me.
Upon glancing through Bianca's content, I find it a little frustrating that instead of communicating clear boundaries with Steele, she merely acts immensely cold to someone attempting to show genuine affection and empathy (because apparently empathy is a clear sign of self lobotomy), without explaining why.

I find writing that amps up the "comedy" of an idiot bumbling through space and intense situations immensely frustrating, as that is explicitly opposed to what I genuinely enjoy about the content, and if I avoid it entirely, I am gated out of a significant amount of writing that I wish for. It baffles me that things like enjoying the colour pink, giggling, or having feminine gestures and overall movements are gated with npc's giving you cold stares and rolling their eyes at you, despite what the lore states.

There is a really significant amount of flavour text gated behind that one perk, I really don't understand how stereotypically "feminine" behaviours should be locked behind it, let alone the exorbitant amount of sexual flavour text.

I'm not entirely sold on the concept of gating content equating a fleshed out personality, or orientation having anything to do with that. A small (understandable) peeve I have, is that Steele is usually treated as pansexual so as to not gate writing and content, the reasoning, of the extra workload, makes absolute sense, but I would fail to see how it would provide any fleshed out character personality if it was otherwise, rather just provide more player choice.

I often really appreciate when content is more flexibly open to players. If Isabela's relationship was gated to male characters in Dragon Age 2, I never would have experienced her absolutely wonderful story and writing in detail. I don't really understand how restricting content betters a role playing game.

Then again, there are discussions in regards to "difficulty" gating experiences, but with titles such as Pathologic 2, the challenge and interactivity is the entire point of the experience. Without the obstacles the player faces, you wouldn't be able to sympathize with the characters going through the same plight. Games which don't have difficulty levels and instead one, predetermined experience, often benefit greatly from the polish, but if an experience is made too general, people can't get satisfaction from an engaging challenge.

So it probably isn't simple, but I personally don't think I agree with the opinions on this thread that restricting content in such a way makes for better more personal characters, and I'm a little baffled that someone has been called a "massive fuck-wit" over it, that seems really out of line.

In regards to Bianca herself, whilst I don't understand why a sex positive character, someone with more feminine mannerisms, or attempts at empathy triggers traumatic thoughts, I mostly just want to be able to apologize for making her unhappy or uncomfortable, and not get condescending looks from people and have "haha look how clumsy they are" comedy.

Hopefully what I expressed has made some sense, and I still want to say that all the writers here are absolutely exceptional, and shouldn't feel any obligation to create something they aren't okay with, or feel pressured to so, that is not my intent if it appears that way.
 
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William, I recall (thank you for that great response by the way) you stating that she doesn't get upset due to a supposed lack of intelligence, but due to the significant alterations of the Treatment, but you just stated that Amazon's are allowed to interact with her, despite going through the exact same process bimbo's and "brutes" (bulls, every other treated male you meet acts nothing like you) do? Both treated males and females are stated as not having any form of reduced intelligence in the lore, but nonetheless are treated differently from amazons, so I don't exactly understand.

It stopped being about The Treatment especially and more about the state of mind that comes from a variety of very grim sources - Dumbfuck, Dr. Badger's Programming, and the New Texan superdrug itself. I believe you must be referencing this post (and others on the page), and I still stand by what I said then. For that matter, Amazons do not come strictly from the Treatment - don't forget that Amazona Tea is part of the game, and don't forget that the core conceit of Amazons is being a tall, dommy female. I think treating the nature of being an Amazon as one and the same with bimbo/bull would be especially dishonest, particularly in Bianca's case.

If you luck out and get the Amazon version of the treatment, then yes, you escaped something rather awful. And what you escaped makes it very clear that as you've underwent the process, you've changed, and you can't care that you changed because of course you're a bimbo. You've lost your concepts of propriety, because that is how TiTS is. It should only be natural that characters like Bianca will quietly shake their heads when they see you. Disregarding Bianca's unimplemented (and most recent in her timeline) disdain for the state of being that comes with Bimbo/Bro, what is also part of her content are discussions about Dzaan Alphas (once Ardia becomes crew) and her very clear nervousness when it comes to the matter of the Bothrioc.

Once you've actually gotten to the subjects, she ends up demonstrating that she despises anything that robs an individual of their individuality and transforms them into a simpering creature of pleasure and thoughtless horniness. And if you can't get to the subjects due to being a bimbo/brute, then so be it. You have to accept the consequences of your actions, accept that not everyone is going to want to connect with you, and accept that nobody is going to tell you to your face - least of all an impeccably polite doctor - why they're avoiding that connection.

Upon glancing through Bianca's content, I find it a little frustrating that instead of communicating clear boundaries with Steele, she merely acts immensely cold to someone attempting to show genuine affection and empathy (because apparently empathy is a clear sign of self lobotomy), without explaining why.

As current Bianca lore stands I explained as such: bimboism and brutism are mannerisms with very real and very specific connotations for your character, [pc.name] Steele, whom we are writing for.

I seriously try to avoid making Bimbos sound or act blatantly stupid, but we are not writing for anyone's given character, we are writing for Captain Steele, and Captain Steele, generally speaking, after going through these motions to become something like that, has specific mannerisms that we've all sort of silently agreed on. That is, a total love for sex in any form, very little awareness or inhibition, and a carefree and casual disregard for the concept of depravity.

To that extent, for Bianca, it's the mannerisms unique to Bimbo/Bro Steeles that will set her off. That's what her backstory and motivations were tuned to. I can assure you that her character doesn't lock because she considers you stupid, but because of what you become that reminds her of something painful. Those mannerisms remind her of something similar that was an exceedingly awful experience.

Corruption in CoC means a loss of empathy and respect for consent, opens the door to forcing people into things they may not want to do. In CoC2, it's the same deal: you become rougher, more selfish. In TiTS, you occasionally have the option to force some TFs on Generic enemies. Bimbos act in a very uniquely carefree manner that symbolizes your character's corruption. Bros too - bullish body language, insouciant attitudes. There are other types of 'male bimbos' out there, as I had a talk with Nonesuch about it a while back, but this is what you get in TiTS, and I adhere to the TiTS canon portrayals; I cannot speak for how others choose to portray the alignments.

You don't just "be" a bimbo in these games. From CoC1, to TiTS, and to CoC2, having your brain, not just your mind, but your character's very brain and personality altered in a permanent and disconcerting fashion... the games never allow you to start in this state. It is borne of corruption in CoC1+2, where you're nobody special. CoC1 was whatever the writer felt like using, and CoC2 has the corruption scalar for the PC: Champion, Dark Knight, and Bimbo (which, again, comes from a source of corruption).

In contrast, the universe of TiTS is a hyper-dystopian hell-shard, and those elements bleed through into what is essentially an all-expenses paid adventure for the PC, a megacorp inheritor-to-be, and that aspect never changes. Steele was designed with five alignments in mind.

All of this coalesced to give Bianca the characterization and inner life she has, which is a hard sell in a game where you can get your rocks off with just about anyone due to a lack of preferences. I understand that Bianca as a character treads in a specific direction - that is, what you envision for your character is impugned like the fifth wall of sorts.

But my rationale has been to go with the alignments. I love them, because it means adding characterization otherwise not present for the PC, and it means have a rock solid foundation as a character rather than just whatever the writer wants to do in any given scene.

However, I can't agree that Bianca being gated is a detriment. Like with your Dragon Age 2 point -- yes, you would be able to see that character's writing. You would just have to do it on another playthrough, and see parts of the story that were previously unviewable to you for a variety of reasons. A lot of the quests in TiTS have checks for your character's class that open up different methods, and more often just add more flavor to your interactions with someone. I personally feel more excited to play other characters and styles to get at content otherwise unavailable.
 

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As an addendum, I also want to bring up the character Millie from New Texas, and the scene you get if you try a temporary version of the Treatment, written by Fenoxo, and specifically the bolded lines.

“How about those enhancers?”

Millie’s smile gets wider. “You wanna see what it’s like to be Treated, huh?”

You nod a little hesitantly.

“Well you made the right choice. Here. Take two of these.” She fishes two little pink pills out of a bottle. “Don’t worry, they’re cherry flavored. You can just chew ‘em up.”

You shrug and pop them on in. They taste as sweet as promised, though the scent of fruit lingers in the air long after the fizzling, tingly pills have dissolved on your tongue. Millie smiles, slipping a headband over your forehead.

“What’s that for?” Your tongue feels... thick, and kind of wiggly, but what’s really distracting you is just how scratchy the inside of your slepra down bra is against your nipples. They’re like two little voices in the back of your head, begging you to rip your way out of that stuffy old top and give them a few squeezes. The strangest part is the building sense of... pressure. They feel full.

Millie just laughs to herself. “A few pills might make your nipples all juicy and sensitive for an hour, but they won’t have you thinking like the cow you could be.” She thumbs at one of your seeping teats, giggling when you moan like a whore in heat. “Well... they help anyway. Here. Try this.”

She pushes a button on a really big, heavy looking piece of machinery. You had assumed it was part of the milker itself, but... it’s like, something totally different. You bounce, watching your suddenly-expanding boobs jiggle. Damn, your nipples feel sooo good. One of your hands is already rubbing in circles around one, spreading jolts of happiness through your body. Gosh, they’d feel so much better with someone sucking on them.

“Uh, Millie, you’re gonna suck my tits, right?” You drop your Jumper jumpsuit and slepra down bra to the side, not noticing the receptacle that’s meant to hold them. The wobble of your drizzling mammaries nearly distracts you from the gorgeous cow you’re trying to talk to. Her boobs must feel amazing! You bite your juicy lip and try not to stare. But... why shouldn’t you stare? Those titties are awesome. You get flushed just thinking about them.

Treated girls must have so much fun! You resolve to take the Treatment as soon as the lovely girl on the other side of the stall takes care of your boobies and that nagging itch between your thighs. Then you pinch your nipple for good luck and promptly forget.

Millie wraps her arms around you, squishing you boob to boob. “It can be a little overwhelming, I know. Once you actually take the Treatment, you’ll have a lot more time to adjust to it.”

“Uhh...” Her nipples are leaking all over you, coating your thoughts with slippery-sweet vibes. You close your mouth and wiggle back and forth, acknowledging the suggestion from your overheated teats with the automatic action. Everything feels so much better when you listen to your body. It knows exactly what to do, all you had to do was just stop thinking about it so much. You decide to put your lips to better use and kiss the cow-girl.

Starbursts of pleasure explode in your mouth, and you melt into Millie, suddenly realizing just how good it feels to play with a friend. Why worry about your own pleasure when you can make this amazing woman’s titties quake with joy, just like yours!

The punky cow grabs your vast bottom, and a tiny part of you whispers that things are getting out of hand. But then again, your cheeks are screaming about how good it feels to be fondled and lifted up into the air. Maybe they’d feel even better if she pulled them apart and slipped a finger in between. When they slip out to drop you on the table, you sigh with disappointment. “Awww, don’t stop!”

Millie lifts two of the milker’s cups up and clinks them together. “I’m just getting started, you dumb cow. Damn, I’m glad I didn’t get this brainless.”

You cock your head to the side. Should you be offended? You’re pretty sure she said something mean about you, but you’re having a hard time caring. You guess you are acting pretty dumb, but that’s just cause you’re all happy and listening to your big, wet titties instead of trying to sound smart. That’s all! You pout at Millie, though whether from the irritation of squeezing all that cognition together or from having to wait this long for your boobs to get taken care, you aren’t sure.

Her next kiss makes it all better, brief as it may be. “I’m sorry. Here, let me take care of you. The pumps will make it all better.”

The cold glass of one of the machine’s cups presses just south of one of your areolae, slowly climbing higher as the tube is levelled against one honey-filled mammary. Once the seal is completed, your nipple expands, firming up from the constant, idle suction that holds the milker in place. You sigh dreamily, and your dog-like legs drift apart. You could really go for a fuck right about now.


Seeing the lazy, slutty cast of your eyes, Millie graces you with a wink. “We’ll have some fun once I turn on the milkers. I promise.”

You nod dreamily, batting your eyelashes and smiling in a way that could never be taken as anything other than a sexual invitation. “Kay.”

The other cup slips on, and you swoon, eyes rolling back in your head for a moment. Your breasts just feel so... so... yummy! The knowledge that you’re sitting in a stall in a barn with plus-sized boob-suckers hanging off your chest hits you all at once. Fortunately, you’re so turned on that you fast forget your shame. Cows have tons of fun anyway, right? You look up at Millie, unsure.

“Cows have fun, right?”

The horned attendant stops rubbing the damp, cherry-scented patch between her thighs. You love that smell.

“Of course we do. Here, just relax and enjoy your milking.” She presses a switch, turning the pumps on for their active milking cycle. “Feel free to moo if the desire takes you.”
 
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Eh, I just think there was a bit of a missed opportunity with Biancas content in regards to bimbos. Something like if bimbo Steele tries to spend time with her three times or more, Bianca attempts to explain that she's just not interested and bimbo Steele responds in confusion and attempts to flirt more. After a bit of back in forth, Bianca throws her hands up in frustration and walks away, leaving bimbo Steele even more confused and horny than she was before the whole seen started. Have it be repeatable after that.
 

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Eh, I just think there was a bit of a missed opportunity with Biancas content in regards to bimbos. Something like if bimbo Steele tries to spend time with her three times or more, Bianca attempts to explain that she's just not interested and bimbo Steele responds in confusion and attempts to flirt more. After a bit of back in forth, Bianca throws her hands up in frustration and walks away, leaving bimbo Steele even more confused and horny than she was before the whole seen started. Have it be repeatable after that.

I still haven't gotten around to doing two small details as part of her content that were brought up: a clear hint that she's moving to the next planet if you catch her a day before it happens, and I want her to automatically end bar encounters if you reach 24:00/00:00 time while interacting with her.

When I get the time to do so, I can also consider something like this to help make it clearer. Most of what's said about her suggests that a lot more small notes and details could be added to make this or that clearer and/or add more authenticity to certain subjects, like the Ditz circumstance.
 

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Thank you yet again William, I hope you didn't feel obligated to write up such a detailed response, I have no qualms with your writing and I greatly appreciate the insight.

I am unsure that acknowledging that you receive the amazon trait from the treatment, similar to how you can receive ditz from an immensely varied and inconsistently unique assortment of scenarios, lacks weight, especially seem you can become a "bimbo" via hypnosis now of all things. The entire concept of amazonian treatment is that it is females gaining the "male" affects, and since for some reason you are the only male in the universe who gets this bizarre "brute" alteration, out of every other character in the game, and the codex, I still find it exceptionally odd and inconsistent.

"Once you've actually gotten to the subjects, she ends up demonstrating that she despises anything that robs an individual of their individuality"

I like that a lot, that is basically what I really dislike about the inconsistent portrayal of the transformation, and why I find it frustrating that content I enjoy is forcibly restricted with content I hate. But going by both the codex and Fen's definition you listed, I fail to see how any of that removes a persons self of self identity, or ability to intellectual identify. Being empathetic, avoiding depression and libidinous in a sexually liberal society is hardly negative characteristics. And a cure for depression doesn't inherently alter your sense of being, rather that has to do with chemical imbalances already present in your brain via mental illness.

I would argue that not explaining this serious subject matter to the people who are impacted by it the most, is the opposite of polite. In many scenes, including scenarios that don't include ditz/brute alterations at all, Steele is perfectly capable of vast intellectual ability, empathy, understanding and self reflection. Closing up against the people who are actually supposedly being "harmed", othering them, and only communicating your thoughts with ones who aren't affected, isn't improving the livelihood of those who would need it most in that scenario. Going out of your way to avoid explaining your concerns to someone who (canonically) is able to understand and parse them, shouldn't be dissuaded because someone has a bubbly sexually positive personality.

The connotations associated with such transformatives should mean disdain and separation from those who initiate such transformations against others, not the "victims", if it is true, those are the people who need the most support and understanding, especially from a medical professional.

You say the transformations are "disconcerting" but my issue is that is wildly inconsistent, and I feel completely at odds with the tone of the game overall. I don't want to get lectured for enjoying something in erotica in such a manner, but still be expected to appreciate said content. I don't think other niches would feel great if there was npcs and "consequences", constantly describing to you how what you are doing is actually a terrible thing harming the galaxy at large, and that you have been irreversibly lobotomized and destroyed your sentience (basically kill someone) because you wanted to delve into a niche you liked. I don't think "live with your choices" should apply to kinks.

Insofar as my discussion on gated content, that was less about Bianca and more overall, and I can't say I agree that separate playthroughs justify it entirely. Witcher 2 splits into two separate campaigns, but that is arguably to the significant detriment to the quality of the product, as each part feels less like a complete story, and even if you play both, your end save is a cut up experience and a lesser part of the whole. A significant proportion of people also don't replay games, that has to be kept in mind.

I'm probably a hypocrite as well, because I can totally acknowledge how varied choices and dynamics can make repeat playthroughs interesting (even with my example of Pathologic 2), but I feel dividing content so forcefully as to harm the overall experience is a careful line to be considered as well.

Insofar as Trials it is the opposite problem, where in there is so little substantial content gated that repeat playthroughs feel annoying rather than engaging to me. The class's and alignments (other than unique modifiers) don't alter scenes to any significant extent beyond how you want to roleplay your character, and if you are interested in creating a personalized one, there is no drive or significant content to justify replaying a new one. In regards to Dragon Age, forcing a person to play a specific gender isn't always an ideal scenario, players might not enjoy that, especially with so many variables such as character customization, voice acting and personal preference, which could hinder the experience on replays.

The scene you quoted on Millie, is exactly why I get frustrated, content I hate wrapped up in content I genuinely enjoy, I'm not entirely sure what your point is with that, it emphasizes my own aggravations with how this was all initially set up. It also is exceptionally rude on her part, to speak over instead of towards someone, and feel you can get away with insulting them due to their condition.

I also forgot the mention that being able to "cure" it via cumcow makes no sense, as that isn't supposed to remove the happiness, bubbly attitude, femininity or empathy, but rather sexually satiate them so as they can focus on other pursuits. I feel the way that perk is set up makes no sense, because instead of gating merely dialogue, it gates all sexual content and personality modifiers.

Again, thank you so much for responding.
 
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I still haven't gotten around to doing two small details as part of her content that were brought up: a clear hint that she's moving to the next planet if you catch her a day before it happens, and I want her to automatically end bar encounters if you reach 24:00/00:00 time while interacting with her.

When I get the time to do so, I can also consider something like this to help make it clearer. Most of what's said about her suggests that a lot more small notes and details could be added to make this or that clearer and/or add more authenticity to certain subjects, like the Ditz circumstance.
Those would both be helpful, the Planet move notice especially. It's easy to waste time searching for her when she's already moved on, losing a day and a half plus in the process.
Feel free to use my idea if you like it. It was just a funny little mental image I had after the sixth or seventh time my bimbo Steele encountered her. Just thought to share something I found amusing.
 
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Disregarding Bianca's unimplemented (and most recent in her timeline) disdain for the state of being that comes with Bimbo/Bro, what is also part of her content are discussions about Dzaan Alphas (once Ardia becomes crew) and her very clear nervousness when it comes to the matter of the Bothrioc.

I haven't had a chance to read her content yet, but I think I'm in love already.

As for Bimbos/Bros, is there at least the option for her to explain her hang-ups, with Steele having the option to offer a counterpoint if they meet a certain intelligence quotient? She doesn't have to agree, but it would certainly feel better if a dialogue was at least attempted.

I mean, let's put it this way...perhaps people would feel less inclined to try to convince you, William the writer, of their interpretation of what being a Bimbo or Brute is like, if it's made clear that this is the position that Bianca the Milf doctor strongly feels, with the counterpoints others have brought up doing little to diswade her? No one is perfect, and everyone is going to have something they feel so strongly about that nothing will change their mind. Displaying that would only make her seem more real, at least in my opinion.

...I'm just throwing that out there. If there's already something like that in the game, then I'm genuinely confused by the sheer volume of people trying to convince you to let their Bimbos fuck her, and I'm only left to assume that you've hit it so out of the park this time around that nothing you could say would quell their desires.
 
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I had to respond because of what Bianca means to me and how far I was willing to take it, so picking up on what I can do to alleviate some of her concerns is important, and because I don't want people to think that I am not aware of how different she is from most NPCs in the game, and all the concerns that doing something like that raises. Fen had an apt comment about the implementation of Rat's Raiders: they were like the Emerald/Ultima Weapon of fights in the game (or at least on Zheng Shi) while being a randomly encountered threat.

That said, all our paragraphs aside, this is what I think the crux of your posting is and what I basically can't help with, hehe.

The scene you quoted on Millie, is exactly why I get frustrated, content I hate wrapped up in content I genuinely enjoy, I'm not entirely sure what your point is with that, it emphasizes my own aggravations with how this was all initially set up.

As well, my point with the Millie scene was just to show that's what bimboism/treatment is, and what it does to Steele.

Also,

I also forgot the mention that being able to "cure" it via cumcow makes no sense, as that isn't supposed to remove the happiness, bubbly attitude, femininity or empathy, but rather sexually satiate them so as they can focus on other pursuits. I feel the way that perk is set up makes no sense, because instead of gating merely dialogue, it gates all sexual content and personality modifiers.

Technically speaking in mechanical terms, it 'cures' it insofar as you basically shed all that bimboism until you really need your hit again.

I can't lessen your frustrations with these aspects. I can grok how you want to play your character, but in order to not rock the boat, I adhere to the canon as designed by the creators. Unfortunately, some playstyles and preferences suffer for inconsistencies or the author's disinterest - It's no secret I avoid burdening myself with exclusive taur content. TiTS is not popular just because of the kinks it appeals to: it's thanks to the game portion that gives it a life just not found in others, same with CoC2. CoC2 learned from TiTS, and consequences and gameplay and meaningful decisions are impactful from the get-go.

All I can do as an unemployed writer is create an experience that I want to go all-in on and work with the hands that have been dealt us. My only advice is to treat the game like an anthology. Some authors go big, some go smaller.
 
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I haven't had a chance to read her content yet, but I think I'm in love already.

As for Bimbos/Bros, is there at least the option for her to explain her hang-ups, with Steele having the option to offer a counterpoint if they meet a certain intelligence quotient? She doesn't have to agree, but it would certainly feel better if a dialogue was at least attempted.

There is not. As her implementation currently stands, she has not connected with you completely, and if you haven't done much talking/sex etc, she'll keep to herself, stay bottled up, give you the cold shoulder, which, to me, is enough, given that she's looking at you like anyone else. Even if you raise familiarity up and have done her, and have it happen, she will just take it quietly, and let it go.

There will be more for me to consider in her Part 2, and what it will mean if you end up becoming a Bimbo/Bro at that point, which could likely damage the relationship irreparably.

All in all, I think I simply need events more indicative of some things. When I can, I'll make them part of her content.
 
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Fen had an apt comment about the implementation of Rat's Raiders: they were like the Emerald/Ultima Weapon of fights in the game (or at least on Zheng Shi) while being a randomly encountered threat.

I'm actually a bit confused by that one. I take it they were nerfed at some point? I only got to fight the rats very recently, and actually had less problems with them than the robots or the Jumpers...
 

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I haven't had a chance to read her content yet, but I think I'm in love already.

As for Bimbos/Bros, is there at least the option for her to explain her hang-ups, with Steele having the option to offer a counterpoint if they meet a certain intelligence quotient? She doesn't have to agree, but it would certainly feel better if a dialogue was at least attempted.

I mean, let's put it this way...perhaps people would feel less inclined to try to convince you, William the writer, of their interpretation of what being a Bimbo or Brute is like, if it's made clear that this is the position that Bianca the Milf doctor strongly feels, with the counterpoints others have brought up doing little to diswade her? No one is perfect, and everyone is going to have something they feel so strongly about that nothing will change their mind. Displaying that would only make her seem more real, at least in my opinion.

...I'm just throwing that out there. If there's already something like that in the game, then I'm genuinely confused by the sheer volume of people trying to convince you to let their Bimbos fuck her, and I'm only left to assume that you've hit it so out of the park this time around that nothing you could say would quell their desires.

I notice you kept adding on to this post so let me post one more thing to make the position as clear as it can be given her current implementation. There are some very low key differences in her booth/random encounter meetings if you're a Bimbo/Bro. The most noticeable it gets at the booth is that you will never touch her tails, and the tone of the scene and from her implies it's due to your state.

Bianca will never not help you, but she will not want to connect with you.

// PC tries with Ditz Speech

Bianca's looking at you with a ragged smile. She's uptight, stiff, and too concentrated on work. Doesn't she take care of herself? Well, maybe she can start with you! In a {high pitched, cute/deep, broad} voice you ask her if she'd be willing to sit back and relax with you.

In response, Bianca tilts her head, the tiny smile curving into a knit, gloomy grimace. "I'm sorry, [pc.name]. I don't have the time to do that..." She does a one-eighty and stands facing the wilderness. "If you don't need help, then I have to get going..."

This is what you will see if you attempt to [Spend Time] with her in random encounters, which is mandatory to advancing your relationship with her in the long run. It's also the only time you can be with her as it stands. You have to be able to spend time with her to be able to see her in the bars (you will not see her there at all if she's detected you to be bimbo/bro).

I've taken all this commentary to be that clearer circumstances are needed for Ditz mode players, and more firm reactions should come from her. In my mind, what I've quoted here was enough based on how the 'path', so to speak, is laid out. Some more events, and more intros, something that makes it obvious that she is not going to let you in.
 
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I'm actually a bit confused by that one. I take it they were nerfed at some point? I only got to fight the rats very recently, and actually had less problems with them than the robots or the Jumpers...

If they were nerfed fight-wise I have no idea. I suggested to Fen if he wanted to, the simplest way to do it is just reduce the dominant HP/Shield values by 75, but he seems to have been satisfied with making them stay away a lot longer if you pay them off.
 
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I've taken all this commentary to be that clearer circumstances are needed for Ditz mode players, and more firm reactions should come from her. In my mind, what I've quoted here was enough based on how the 'path', so to speak, is laid out. Some more events, and more intros, something that makes it obvious that she is not going to let you in.

Excellent. If I could make one more suggestion, perhaps a follow-up where the player tries to push the issue? Just a thought, you do you.

If they were nerfed fight-wise I have no idea. I suggested to Fen if he wanted to, the simplest way to do it is just reduce the dominant HP/Shield values by 75, but he seems to have been satisfied with making them stay away a lot longer if you pay them off.

I guess I'm just confused by the context, is all. They didn't seem to me like they were more challenging than anything else in the area (though, I purposely do "challenge runs" to keep me focused on the roleplaying aspect of the game, so that might be part of it. In this case, I was playing as someone who would never hit a pure female, so has to tease them down. He was considered a giant by them, however), but I guess them being a group fight does make them substantially different in terms of mechanics, backed up by all the unique personality quirks and interactions you've added to them.
 

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No, the issue people were having with the Rat's were the energy weapons-only folk that couldn't melt down a single rat fast enough (let alone three) before running out of HP themselves.
 

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That summarizes it well. I do feel the separation of amazons is odd when it is explicitly under the category of the treatment and the exact same mental changes, and I don't think shutting out the "victims" (assuming it is true) instead of the perpetrators is fair, but that is more so a character trait discussion. I don't at all expect or desire anything dictated by personal whims or preferences, my complaints are obviously much more towards the overall system, and how I hope writers take it into consideration within the future. My notes on "Cumcow" are in consideration of how it is treated within the story on Kaede's partner, and overall lore; not from a mechanical standpoint (which I am criticizing).

I also never desired to be able to access the content personally, I am completely fine with that not being an option, and I can theoretically understand (even if I find the reasoning inconsistent or false as of now) how that is directly tied to the characters background and overall narrative. I wasn't ever discussing this from the opinion of demanding it. At most, I would desire the option to openly respect her boundaries, and apologize for upsetting her (although I don't think shutting someone out instead of explaining your reasoning is especially polite, but again, character discussion). My discussion about gated content more so applied to others, as for example, I feel orientation is not a personality, and does very little for a character, I only see that making sense in regards to the players (as in, a real persons) preferences.

I do hope the issue is known overall by creators (both "the" and independent), especially since I can't see how writers can follow a canon on the treatment when there isn't a consistent canon utilized in the first place, I would personally be bummed out if the answer was implicit non consent and mental harm, but I can't dictate that, and it would be selfish to assume as such.

I hope that CoC2 succeeds in fleshed out gameplay and choices, but I hope "consequences" aren't tied behind kinks or personal niches, I feel that would be poor design. I also hope overall "consequences" aren't stretched too thin to harm polish and overall content, or written out unfairly for subversion or shock. I appreciate that it is a game, but I also feel analyzing and/or criticizing it as a game is important too. My thoughts on replayability vs player freedom are inconsistent and hypocritical, but I hope the balance between fun choices and restrictive content verses open playability doesn't end poorly.

I am really glad to hear you are working on writing you are passionate about and feel meaning in, and that you are able to go all-in on something you enjoy. You are absolutely a great writer, and you should feel proud about how much work you have done.
 
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No, the issue people were having with the Rat's were the energy weapons-only folk that couldn't melt down a single rat fast enough (let alone three) before running out of HP themselves.

Have they tried the Tri-Beam? That's what I used, and it was very effective, at least when I was playing as Tech specialist with max Aim.

EDIT: oh right, because it has 3 damage types, it's almost like it was purpose-built for dealing with the rats. Thanks, Zevos.
 

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Have they tried the Tri-Beam? That's what I used, and it was very effective, at least when I was playing as Tech specialist with max Aim.

EDIT: oh right, because it has 3 damage types, it's almost like it was purpose-built for dealing with the rats. Thanks, Zevos.

Little did @Aullama know that he designed the weapon tailor made to destroy the rats.

The Big Space Dino Hammer.
 
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It is borne of corruption in CoC1+2, where you're nobody special. CoC1 was whatever the writer felt like using, and CoC2 has the corruption scalar for the PC: Champion, Dark Knight, and Bimbo (which, again, comes from a source of corruption).

There will be noncorrupt methods of getting bimbo in coc2.