Help for RP

[TheHiddenOne]

Hello everyone!

I restarted playing CoC2 a while ago but am lacking progress, since I keep restarting.
I usually tend to either play very corrupt characters or fully uncorrupt characters.

But here come my issues:
When it comes to demons I have actually trouble justifying sparing them. Because they spread corruption, even if they don't actually want to.
Which is probably partly because Computer (and Tabletop) games ingrained my antipathy towards demons (and devils).

Yes, I know, porn is its reward and I want to justify it in part to get railed by Sandre into Caera, but it does tend to make me lose interest into the character because the RP that motives me feels.. broken.

I have trouble finding a good RP justification for a pure character to do the following:
Dominate the Alraune
Being in a non-hostile relationship with Kas (is it still locked after WC?)
Letting Farrah stay
Not killing and even engaging with Sandre and Caera
Inviting them to the Wayfort

Related is the question how to justify (corrupt or not) to not take the Wayfort from Ryn. It seems just so.. win-win.

Thanks for reading.
P.S. I don't want to be a murderhobo, I really want reasons - or even jsut excuses- to engage with them.

 

[PalletTown]

Play the game how you want. Don't try to force yourself to take actions you don't want to. I don't think its muderhoboing to kill demons. In the spirit of your post, I'll go ahead and answer how I deal with things in CoC II.

For the Alrune and Farrah, I view it as you are keeping an eye on them. Farrah is only really in it for the money and the Alrune quickly becomes better socialized.

For Kas that is a bit tricker. Kas is a great oppositional villain and the game play really well as her being a straight antagonist, or you could try to enter a relationship with her which opens up a more nuanced relationship. Even though I choose to romance Kas, that does not mean that I even remotely approve of her actions, and I still try to stop her.

 

[IraMorti]

You'd have to take a hard look at the character you want to play and think on their personality. If you are going to play a pure character that is epitome of lawful good tropes, then yes you are going to find it hard to justify not killing. Unless you are going with the redeemer mentality from the get go, I don't see how it would work if you are going for a full roleplay mindset.

My current character is a tainted Black Mage who finds the corruption fascinating and willingly corrupts himself to a certain extent to experience the changes - he doesn't like being fully corrupted as something in the back of his mind dislikes the Dark Knight personality so he works to purge it to regain balance if he falls that far. In terms of killing he is kill on sight for male imps as their proliferation abilities are catastrophic, and also kills the corrupted centaur as it's obvious they are killing people and not just robbing and fucking. He has no desire to try and redeem/help the cult and just uses them as his personal fucktoy, he also completely abandons Quinn to his fate, but doesn't personally kill them.

Also any demonification I can do that doesn't directly require the champion to want that outcome and personally trying to make them be that, I go for. So I corrupt Milly, Nihara, Viviane, and Jael'yn. I don't corrupt Gytha because it's pretty apparent what will happen if she pursues Alissa.

 

[TheHiddenOne]

Play the game how you want. Don't try to force yourself to take actions you don't want to. I don't think its muderhoboing to kill demons. In the spirit of your post, I'll go ahead and answer how I deal with things in CoC II.

It is honestly more a skill issue for me. I actually struggle to play bad characters for a lengthy period of time, because I get bored/abondon it too quick. But soem of the demons are offering things I am really into it, so I loathe to miss it (having a taboo fetish is not helping either). Also, I always have the feeling I am overlooking some stuff because of my disdain for demons.

For the Alrune and Farrah, I view it as you are keeping an eye on them. Farrah is only really in it for the money and the Alrune quickly becomes better socialized.

For Kas that is a bit tricker. Kas is a great oppositional villain and the game play really well as her being a straight antagonist, or you could try to enter a relationship with her which opens up a more nuanced relationship. Even though I choose to romance Kas, that does not mean that I even remotely approve of her actions, and I still try to stop her.

Well, Farrah is helped by the option of having her promise to not corrupt, though it is dubious if she is even able to keep that.

Kas sounds a bit like "You are my villain. Stop going around spreading your villany and pump all of it into me! >_<" Though not sure if you intended it that way.

You'd have to take a hard look at the character you want to play and think on their personality. If you are going to play a pure character that is epitome of lawful good tropes, then yes you are going to find it hard to justify not killing. Unless you are going with the redeemer mentality from the get go, I don't see how it would work if you are going for a full roleplay mindset.

My current character is a tainted Black Mage who finds the corruption fascinating and willingly corrupts himself to a certain extent to experience the changes - he doesn't like being fully corrupted as something in the back of his mind dislikes the Dark Knight personality so he works to purge it to regain balance if he falls that far. In terms of killing he is kill on sight for male imps as their proliferation abilities are catastrophic, and also kills the corrupted centaur as it's obvious they are killing people and not just robbing and fucking. He has no desire to try and redeem/help the cult and just uses them as his personal fucktoy, he also completely abandons Quinn to his fate, but doesn't personally kill them.

Also any demonification I can do that doesn't directly require the champion to want that outcome and personally trying to make them be that, I go for. So I corrupt Milly, Nihara, Viviane, and Jael'yn. I don't corrupt Gytha because it's pretty apparent what will happen if she pursues Alissa.

I think the issue with the redeemer mentality is that demons are so foreign for any character. Corruption is tight to wraith and they seem always chaotic evil and irredeemable. So I wonder where that mindset could come from. Put I am kinda hoping I am just overlooking something, I guess?

Though your current character sounds like an interesting ride. And as someone on a very slippery slope. Makes one wonder where he ends - or, at a point, he needs a redeemer himself.



Though something Savin said really eases up the issue with Kas, I think. Everyone later could be after the champion had some expirience that offered a possible route of slavation..
Anyways, thanks for your answers, it gave me stuff to think about. =)

 

[Kalnath]

It may help to remember that many of the “corrupted” characters you deal with are victims themselves. Why does your champion’s compassion end where Kasyrra’s influence begins? I’d say most of the demons you encounter probably didn’t ask to be turned. At the end of the day, they’re still people, and they don't really act any different than most Savarrans you run into out there.

“I don’t want to be a killer,” is also probably justification enough. Some people would say that all life is sacred, and you shouldn't be too eager to extinguish it. There’s a gossip conversation with Lusamine that sort of touches on the idea that killing is a needlessly destructive act that hurts the executioner just as it does the deceased:

Spoiler: Fig. 1)

This is something that I kind of wish the game explored more deeply: this concept that murdering your opponents might not necessarily be the right thing to do, both for your own sake and for those you care about.

Related is the question how to justify (corrupt or not) to not take the Wayfort from Ryn. It seems just so.. win-win.

As to this part: what you’re actually turning down in that offer is vassalage. You’re refusing to be a subject of the Winter City in favor of your own independence. The fort itself is considered yours by right of “finders’ keepers” either way.

Granted, there aren’t really any disadvantages of being a vassal in this game – none that I’m aware of, anyway – but perhaps your character doesn’t relish the idea of shackling themselves indefinitely to a foreign power. Or maybe they just don’t want a bunch of elves hanging around the place. It’s your crumbling, abandoned ruin so you make the rules.

 

[teawolf]

Hello everyone!

I restarted playing CoC2 a while ago but am lacking progress, since I keep restarting.
I usually tend to either play very corrupt characters or fully uncorrupt characters.

But here come my issues:
When it comes to demons I have actually trouble justifying sparing them. Because they spread corruption, even if they don't actually want to.
Which is probably partly because Computer (and Tabletop) games ingrained my antipathy towards demons (and devils).

Yes, I know, porn is its reward and I want to justify it in part to get railed by Sandre into Caera, but it does tend to make me lose interest into the character because the RP that motives me feels.. broken.

I have trouble finding a good RP justification for a pure character to do the following:
Dominate the Alraune
Being in a non-hostile relationship with Kas (is it still locked after WC?)
Letting Farrah stay
Not killing and even engaging with Sandre and Caera
Inviting them to the Wayfort

Related is the question how to justify (corrupt or not) to not take the Wayfort from Ryn. It seems just so.. win-win.

Thanks for reading.
P.S. I don't want to be a murderhobo, I really want reasons - or even jsut excuses- to engage with them.

Yeah, strongly disagree with the statement that someone playing 'pure good' would have to kill! As Kalanth said, you can absolutely play a pure character who doesn't kill--whether that's to protect themselves from murder's taint, or to offer second chances, or because all life is sacred, or some combo of all the above, I think those are all reasonable RP decisions. CoC2 isn't intended as a typical RPG god-killing power fantasy, but I do find it a kind of one, for me, in getting to spare everyone.

 

[Zbearbear]

I understand RP'ing is difficult at times, but I always suggest getting out of your head and into your character's head. It's nigh impossible to avoid you bleeding into your character and that's okay, but part of the fun in roleplaying is the role you adopt. If you end up being hardline "evil is evil and must be erased" paladin, that's fine. Let's say your paladins slowly becomes corrupted and starts indulging in their baser desires. Now, you've bot some flavor going. Now, lets say over the course of the adventure, your paladin become a fluid grey (gray?) character, adjusting their responses based on the situation. They've seen the extremes of both ends of "pure" and "corrupted," boom character development.

I think CoC2 does a great job of having moral/ethical discussions on dealing with corruption as in sometimes it's the lesser of two evils in characters or long term resolutions. It's supposed to make you think on how you/your character would genuinely react.

But i'm rambling. It all circles back around to get out of your head and into your character's.