Futa content inbalance

[ShadowWorldEditer]

Either the dev's are making the game more so based on their own fetishes then the idea of a multi-sexuality multi-fetish market, or they have the very wrong misconception that everyone loves futa content, they don't, a straight guy might not like futa content because while its a chick they have a dick, a gay guy might not like futa content because everything about it is a chick but the dick, a bisexual guy might not like futa content because maybe they just don't like futa content or transexual content turns them off and a futa reminds them of that. Thiers no sound reason to make like 80% of characters a futa, i think the devs are making a game they want to play, not a game meant to attract a broad audience. I put this in general bullshit because their seems to be a futa inbalance on every actively updated game connected to fenoxo.

 

[Theron]

Or a lesbian isn't into it because dick. Though strap-ons are popular, so.

I think there's a bit of selection bias. At this point, most of the people (both writers and players) who aren't into the content have already left.

Perhaps there's a versatility component. There's only so much you can do with just a vag or just a dick. But what if the character has both?

I think it plays into the lack of male content, especially masculine males (for straight women and gay men). They're being crowded out by the Amazons.
It's funny. In TiTS, the tutorial area has hyper masculine and hermaphrodite enemies. By the end, it's femboys and hermaphrodites.

 

[ShadowWorldEditer]

They left because of the inbalance in content before they left, tits and coc2 has had to much focus on herm/futa content just about since release, and i doubt its been good for the bottom line, even if profits have gone up overtime they would of gone up more with more diversity in content and diversity in terms of who it appeals to, that's just common sense. The only reason tits/coc2 may seem to have better content and results then a more diverse game that came before it like coc which seemed more diverse to me in its content at least in the early levels is because Fenoxo built up a pressence on the internet with coc which skews the numbers to make him think he is using optimal content when he is not.

 

[Theron]

It's certainly gotten predictable. I agree it would be nice to have more variety.

 

[B]

We've gotten this complaint loads of times before, and community writer Alypia has graciously gone through the effort to compile a list of characters sorted by sex and availability in response to these criticisms.

CoC2 gendery/parts count as of 11 December 2023 (backer patch 0.6.28)

NPCs:
Male (penis or no penis): 115
Female (no penis): 200
Female (penis): 61

Sexable NPCs:
Male (penis or no penis): 73
Female (no penis): 153
Female (penis, no vag): 21
Female (penis and vag): 31
Other: 3

Notes:
Brint and Brienne are counted separately, because they are mutually exclusive and constitute distinct characters. Otherwise, characters that can TF or appear with multiple pronoun or sex parts configurations are generally placed under the category that is their default.
The "Other" characters are Lyric (optionally male with a penis or female with a pussy; they have no default so it felt inappropriate to mark them as such), Cassidy (optionally male/penis, female/penis, or female/vagina; also has no default), and the sexable slimes (agender, as far as we can tell).
Unnamed characters that are similar but constitute distinct encounters (e.g. the male minotaur soldiers available for group sex in the Outskirts vs the male minotaur soldiers available for group sex at Rose's inn) are counted separately.
Characters that are only sexable in Bad Ends are not counted as "sexable" here.

I have omitted named non-sexable, non-fightable background characters without art (e.g. the frost elves that appear in Etheryn's dates and the Festivus Ball, or Serena's students). Fightable animals, such as the wolves and Chomps the Hydra, are also omitted, even if they do have art.
I have also omitted brothel patrons whose faces and names do not appear, even though the Champion can have sex with them (e.g. in the Milk Wall scene), because your guess is as good as mine is.
Despite children existing in the world (either just as existing NPCs or as optional progeny of the player), none of them will appear on the list. For the record: no underage characters or player blood relatives can have sex with the player in this game.
Finally, I have omitted silly mode only characters like Syri, Kaede, and Anno.

Female characters with ovipositors and no penises are listed in the "no penis" slots. This includes Drider Queen, Ihzalti, Nyzerrah, Azyrran, Jyrranaz, and the Hornet Workers.
Ambra and Kohaku are listed as separate characters, because that is obviously what they are.

Source below:

CoC2 Big Data

NPC List Character Name,Race,Gender,Penis,Pussy,Sexable,Marriageable,Beastkin,Combat Enemy?,NPC Type,Demon or Imp,Cock Type,PC Can Get This NPC Pregnant,NPC Can Get the PC Pregnant,Creator Agnimitra,Harpy,Female,Default No,Yes,Yes,No,No,No,Companion,No,Human,No,No,B Arona,Orc,Female,Yes,Yes,Yes,...

docs.google.com

If anything, there's a futa content imbalance in that there isn't enough of them compared to vanilla content. There are more dudes than bedicked ladies.

What you're complaining about is the futa 'visibility'. The main villain of CoC2, which you're introduced to immediately, has big tits and a big, black, mottled horsecock. Some characters get more attention than others, such as Arona, being a companion. Some of Wsan's most popular characters are ladies with dicks (Evelyn, Orlaith, Kalysea). Whether futas get more depth than others is a valid, if subjective, criticism and point of discussion, but ladies literally outnumber futas three to one (and that number's only gotten larger since December 11th), so arguing that there's more of them is objectively incorrect.

 

[ShadowWorldEditer]

if she went trough all that trouble, did she go trough the trouble of showing how many normal males with dicks offer m/m content? A male with no penis doesn't sound like a male to me. But thiers almost as many sexable chicks with a penis as thier are sexable males, and futa's appeal to a much smaller audience then a male with a penis because it eliminates people turned off by male and females all in one.

 

[B]

and futa's appeal to a much smaller audience then a male with a penis because it eliminates people turned off by male and females all in one.

"it eliminates people turned off by men and women"
If they're not attracted to either, then... why are they playing CoC2? This is a porn game. It's billed as a porn game. Are you suggesting we try and cater to an audience that isn't appealed by men or women?

Regarding M/M content, the unfortunate fact is that we've held poll after poll on Patreon on what sort of content our audience wants, and M/M consistently ranks on the very bottom. Yes, these polls are gated by paywalls, but the people that answer these polls are also the people supporting not just the game, but the livelihoods of the people on the team, so, we're going to be inclined to listen to the people that pay us.

And just for the record, so you don't think I'm biased: I don't mind writing M/M. I've written Lyric, Berwyn and Nikol for CoC2 and Eitan and Lane for TiTS, as well as scenes for Lund and Urbolg. Granted, these are all furries/scalies, but I'm assuming that's not an issue.

 

[ShadowWorldEditer]

I think i typed that wrong or you misunderstood me, a futa has aspects of a man and a women, so if they are turned off by either one of them not both they are potentially turned off by the futa.

 

[valkyr42]

A male with no penis doesn't sound like a male to me.

Speaking as a trans man, eat shit. The community isn't going to change to cater to you more than it already has.

 

[B]

I think i typed that wrong or you misunderstood me, a futa has aspects of a man and a women, so if they are turned off by either one of them not both they are potentially turned off by the futa.

The more likely case is that they are attracted by the opposite half. Intersex characters usually have content that doesn't involve the dick (fucking their mouth, tits, butt, vag if applicable) and they're willing to look past the dick. And usually people are more attracted to the content that doesn't involve specific body parts at all, namely, dom/sub stuff (although being dominated by a girl with a big dick is a popular request, especially in Discord. Evelyn's lasting popularity even in circles that talk negatively about CoC2 is notable).

Bottom line, futa is, numerically speaking, underrepresented, at least in CoC2. M/M is not a popular fetish and is not often requested, especially by the people that pay us.

 

[ShadowWorldEditer]

Keep you're scat fetish to yourself and consenting parties, reported.

 

[B]

Screenshotted in case you try to edit it or delete it. Whenever someone on f95 or 4chan asks why we're not willing to engage with detractors, this is why. As soon as we provide numbers and spreadsheets and explain our obligations to the people that give us our livelihoods, suddenly, we're shit-eaters.

 

[ShadowWorldEditer]

https://prnt.sc/2Yr6QbxTtjAA the response was to this guy scrollup, i tried to click quote on him but it didn't work.

 

[B]

I mean... I'm not trans, but yeah, you can eat shit over that kind of attitude

 

[ShadowWorldEditer]

You are the only one with an attitude, you and scat man.

 

[ShadowWorldEditer]

You make me wish i still worked in the cyber division in north korea.

 

[ShadowWorldEditer]

I am assuming you didn't go all the way with you're trans operation and don't have a dick and that's why you're telling me to eat shit, why is it my fault you didn't have follow trough with going trans? If you don't have a dick and balls you know as well as i do you haven't done everything medical technology can do to complete your transition.

 

[Bast]

I was gonna point out how it's probably not the best thing you can do to outright attack someone and probably counter productive for raising trans acceptance/awareness when they're showing their lack of sensitivity regarding delicate matters, but then they started Kim Jong-un-posting..
So I can hardly do that now!

Maybe keep that in mind for the future though.

 

[Koshka]

This reminds me of these old "Chew don't talk" gum ads. It's like every time this person opens their mouth their IQ falls down by a dozen: started from a pretty logical question about content ("why so many futa?") -> after being presented with statistics that proven them wrong ("futa has the least characters") went into the different direction ("but there's not enough M/M content!") -> after receiving a logical answer ("it's not popular among the voters") went into yet another direction ("futa is for nobody!") -> after that it all slipped into the hate, shitting and multiposting.

 

[Kesil]

The loop has existed has since 2011 at least. And the answer is a simple one: "Want it? Write it."

Addendum: I'd say that attraction is more about body shapes than what's between one's legs. You can be straight and have an interest (not necessarily a sexual one!) in your sex's genitals. And, even then, sexuality can't be reduced to genitalia. Leaving real life trans issues aside, fantasy porn allows for more body variables one can enjoy regardless of one's attraction towards typical masculine/femenine shapes.

 

[RachelDoe]

Ill carefully stick my toes into it (look I browsed latest-activity, I'm a simple bun)

If you want to complicate matters more, there's an argument that you as an artist/creator/writer/etc. should specifically focus on what you like which ends up in you generating your best work. A positive feedback loop maybe?

A least there are alternatives. LT comes to mind, and a recent newcomer BDCC. Experiences may vary depending on what you're getting out of those offerings.
If you don't mind some elbow grease there's TONS of rp options available. Discord dms, email, some ancient game from 2003 with 2d pixel spacemens (this is a rabbit hole, maybe don't look into ss13).

I try vary my content. Relying only on CoC2 or TiTS makes the game get mega stale REALLY quick. Futa content? What about multiple vagina content! And I have to lowkey hack the game to get the LDC + shock hopper scene without the requirements! (if you call a 5 char js edit a hack (yes I am that petty))

I dunno. Its complicated. Speedrun the scenes you like every few months, usually it works for me. I can get like, an erotic text rpg grand prix sorta deal going if I want.
any% CoC+CoC2+TiTS+LT+BDCC anyone?

 

[Savin]

b&

 

[waterpanther7]

Ill carefully stick my toes into it (look I browsed latest-activity, I'm a simple bun)

If you want to complicate matters more, there's an argument that you as an artist/creator/writer/etc. should specifically focus on what you like which ends up in you generating your best work. A positive feedback loop maybe?

A least there are alternatives. LT comes to mind, and a recent newcomer BDCC. Experiences may vary depending on what you're getting out of those offerings.
If you don't mind some elbow grease there's TONS of rp options available. Discord dms, email, some ancient game from 2003 with 2d pixel spacemens (this is a rabbit hole, maybe don't look into ss13).

I try vary my content. Relying only on CoC2 or TiTS makes the game get mega stale REALLY quick. Futa content? What about multiple vagina content! And I have to lowkey hack the game to get the LDC + shock hopper scene without the requirements! (if you call a 5 char js edit a hack (yes I am that petty))

I dunno. Its complicated. Speedrun the scenes you like every few months, usually it works for me. I can get like, an erotic text rpg grand prix sorta deal going if I want.
any% CoC+CoC2+TiTS+LT+BDCC anyone?

what is BDCC?

 

[Loveless]

The sheet

Well, not trying to agree with the guy above but that sheet is specificaly about CoC2 which does have a lack of Futa content compared to TiTS. I know why TiTS has so much Futa content, it's because Fenoxo's attracted people with similar tastes to his but it's frustrating as we also get even less M content compared to CoC2.

what is BDCC?

Broken Dreams Correctional Center.

 

[Nao]

Or a lesbian isn't into it because dick. Though strap-ons are popular, so.

I think there's a bit of selection bias. At this point, most of the people (both writers and players) who aren't into the content have already left.

Perhaps there's a versatility component. There's only so much you can do with just a vag or just a dick. But what if the character has both?

I think it plays into the lack of male content, especially masculine males (for straight women and gay men). They're being crowded out by the Amazons.
It's funny. In TiTS, the tutorial area has hyper masculine and hermaphrodite enemies. By the end, it's femboys and hermaphrodites.

Literally the reason i stopped checking on coc 2 progress back when the Halloween event was new in the first forest. I moved on to games like Liliths throne or degrees of lewdity because it showed signs of futa favoritism from TiTs.

Only recently came back in hopes i was wrong but apparently not

 

[JustSomeGuy]

If you don't like what you got, Why don't you change it
If you don't like what you see, Why don't you fight it
If you know there's something wrong, Why don't you write it