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It got me thinking after playing choices that certain games, interactive stories etc forces certain Love Interests down the players throats.. does this annoy you or not? Would you rather have the choice to pick your sexual preference before hand or deal with it?
 
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It got me thinking after playing choices that certain games, interactive stories etc forces certain Love Interests down the players throats.. does this annoy you or not? Would you rather have the choice to pick your sexual preference before hand or deal with it?
Some Bioware games did this on occasion. I'd choose to say something slightly nice to a character and suddenly said character was hitting on me, getting all pissy when i responded with something like "whoa there, chill".
 

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Some Bioware games did this on occasion. I'd choose to say something slightly nice to a character and suddenly said character was hitting on me, getting all pissy when i responded with something like "whoa there, chill".
I'm playing the Mass Effect Legendary edition and I haven't run into this, my guess is you just weren't paying attention, but who knows.
 

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It really depends on how much choice we had prior and what the character is like. Like in AC:O, the DLC has a forced romance. It got backlash for being a forced hetero relationship when the game gave a lot of freedom in romance options prior. But it might not have been so badly received if the forced romance wasn't the worst character in the game and just so painfully and poorly handled in execution.

Oh, I've only played Inquisition all the way.

In 2, if you're nice to Ander's he'll hit on you. If you shove his wangsty ass in the friendzone then he gets snippy about it, makes a comment about "COnTrOLLinG hiS fEEliNgS" or some shit, and gain a chunk of rivalry (negative relationship points). And in ME1, if you don't be a renegade ass to Kaiden/Ashley/Liara, the game assumes you want to bone and gets confused when you refuse. They fixed it for 2 and 3 thankfully.

Yeah I hate forced romance stuff in games based around choice. It's almost never handled well and the forced love interests usually suck. I avoid it all cost. Either give a choice all the time, or stick with a decent character and don't tease us with the illusion of choice.
 
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In 2, if you're nice to Ander's he'll hit on you. If you shove his wangsty ass in the friendzone then he gets snippy about it, makes a comment about "COnTrOLLinG hiS fEEliNgS" or some shit, and gain a chunk of rivalry (negative relationship points). And in ME1, if you don't be a renegade ass to Kaiden/Ashley/Liara, the game assumes you want to bone and gets confused when you refuse. They fixed it for 2 and 3 thankfully.
Anders is also a tantrum throwing lil bitch. Never really had issues in ME 1.
 
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I remember getting halfway through me2 and then having to start the series from scratch because I apparently wasn't enough of a dick to Liara at the end of 1. Then when I did it right I had to restart me2 again because apparently being a dick to Jack means you wanna smesh.
 

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Does your spouse at the beginning of FO4 count? Because...holy shit Bethesda, that was fucking hot grabage.
 

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I remember getting halfway through me2 and then having to start the series from scratch because I apparently wasn't enough of a dick to Liara at the end of 1. Then when I did it right I had to restart me2 again because apparently being a dick to Jack means you wanna smesh.

I usually play femshep and ignore Jack, so I forgot about that. That sucks. They really should've listed what is being said. At least they started adding those tone pictures later on. Just not in Mass Effect. And reminds me. If you play as femshep in 2, every interaction with Jacob is flirting. It's so forced and cringe.

Never really had issues in ME 1.

Anytime I don't choose enough renegade options at the right time, Kaiden and Liara think I'm flirting. Which I'm not. I'm saving myself for Samantha and the potential "oops, everyone's bi like in Dragon Age 2" mod. Because Miranda is best ME girl.

Does your spouse at the beginning of FO4 count? Because...holy shit Bethesda, that was fucking hot grabage.

To be fair, FO4's entire story and world was fucking hot garbage. But I'd count the beginning spouse. Thank fuck for mods.
 
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I usually play femshep and ignore Jack, so I forgot about that. That sucks. They really should've listed what is being said. At least they started adding those tone pictures later on. Just not in Mass Effect. And reminds me. If you play as femshep in 2, every interaction with Jacob is flirting. It's so forced and cringe.
And then he dumps your ass between games, gets married and has a kid. Great job BioWare. No wonder he's one of the most hated characters in the series.
 

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Oh no! My spouse whom I the player, have known for about 10 minutes has been killed!

Anyway, time to build 200 shelves so I can hit level 10 before even leaving Sanctuary. Also, I sold our wedding rings for Jet.

Gotta get that level up and do Behtesda's job rebuild society. Press X to "Shaun" and find that baby you have no attachment to for that spouse you also have no attachment to. And depending on how fast you move, move on from your recently dead spouse for that gunslinging reporter just days after waking up. And save the wedding ring taken off your dead spouse to give to the gunslinger reporter. Bethesda clearly understands human relationships.

And then he dumps your ass between games, gets married and has a kid. Great job BioWare. No wonder he's one of the most hated characters in the series.

At least is unromanced ME3 interactions are fine. But he's so boring and unlikeable. And Bioware just assumes we'd want his Great Value white bread end piece acting self.
 
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At least is unromanced ME3 interactions are fine. But he's so boring and unlikeable. And Bioware just assumes we'd want his Great Value white bread end piece acting self.
I was with you until you started dissing the heel meal. I'll not have it done such a disservice as being in the same sentence as the stalest of stale breads known as Jacob.
 

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I never found it particularly difficult to avoid unwanted relationships in BioWare games; in fact, I had the opposite problem with Juhani. No comment on other RPGs, since none of the other ones I've played through have romance options.

And yeah, Jacob is pretty bland; so much so that in my Mass Effect fan-fics, Samantha winds up working with his wife and doesn't even know his name, calling him "Brynn's husband" or "Mr. Cole" or "Hackett's dad"*.

*According to the ME wiki, the now-defunct ME3: Datapad app has the following as an email Jacob can send you:
Here's the update. Brynn now wants to call the baby 'Hackett'. Heh, not bad for a girl, I guess.
I assume the last sentence means "as far as girl's names go, 'Hackett' isn't a bad one".
 
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I never found it particularly difficult to avoid unwanted relationships in BioWare games; in fact, I had the opposite problem with Juhani.
Ah, the OG catgirl romance, you have good taste, sir. Though I have always went for Carth for the rare fem!PC playthroughs of that game, because he might be a knock-off, inexplicably straight-laced Han Solo, but he is my knock-off, inexplicably straight laced Han Solo, damn it. Going straight for a mourning, revenge fueled widower did feel pretty awkward, tho, especially so soon after playing BG2 and being torn up about pursuing Jaheira. At least we hadn't been adventure buddies with Carth and his wife for a whole previous game to make it extra uncomfortable.

Going back to the main topic of the thread, KotoR 1's Bastilla should definitely count: her romance is smacked right on top of the main plot and even being a dark side ass didn't help discourage her tsundere thirst for male PC's D, it just led to her turning into a yandere later down the line. Still love her to bits. And I guess in general I've never had a truly grating or frustrating experiences with in-game romances, at worst they were unintentionally hilarious or forgettable.

No comment on other RPGs, since none of the other ones I've played through have romance options.
Were they Obsidian games, by any chance? Cause seem to have at some point made a conscious decision to move in the opposite direction to Bioware, creating games that are progressively more devoid of any notion of PC-NPC romance.
 
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Were they Obsidian games, by any chance? Cause seem to have at some point made a conscious decision to move in the opposite direction to Bioware, creating games that are progressively more devoid of any notion of PC-NPC romance.
Bioware: The companion means nothing if you can't fuck them!
Obsidian: The companion means nothing if you can fuck them!
Bethesda: The mod means nothing if you can't fuck them!

On the other end of the spectrum, I do get just as annoyed if there's no romance as I would for a forced shitty one. Maybe I'm spoiled on good romance options and a certain gatcha game being a tease and fan-fic fuel, but an RPG with 0 romance also bothers me. I'm a sucker for those kinds of sub-plots. Similarly, a complete absence of same-gender love interests in a game with strictly straight relationships bothers me. I haven't touched Rune Factory because of that.

Going back to the main topic of the thread, KotoR 1's Bastilla should definitely count: her romance is smacked right on top of the main plot and even being a dark side ass didn't help discourage her tsundere thirst for male PC's D, it just led to her turning into a yandere later down the line.

Evil is sexy. And imagine not using a lesbian Bastilla mod. Jade Empire was worse though imo. If you played as a girl and wanted to romance Silk Fox, you had to avoid that one guy who's name I forgot or else the game forces a romance with him on you. I did all the gal pal talk scenes and locked it in with Silky Foxy before even speaking to him, but apparently being slightly friendly to the guy means I want him over the objectively better princess. I'm still salty because I had to go to a much older save and redo stuff to fix it.
 

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Were they Obsidian games, by any chance? Cause seem to have at some point made a conscious decision to move in the opposite direction to Bioware, creating games that are progressively more devoid of any notion of PC-NPC romance.
More like Paper Mario. BioWare games (specifically, KOTOR and the ME and DA series) and KOTORII are really the only mainstream "big boy" RPGs I've played for any decent length of time; I did once try out Skyrim and some MMORPG I forgot the name of, and they weren't really my style (protagonist too undefined for the former, too complex controls for the latter (though it was on PC, and I'm a console gamer, so...)).
 
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about pursuing Jaheira
What I like about that romance is the questline involved. The endcard you get for her after throne of Bhaal left me a bit miffed though. She basically leaves the PC for years at a time due to work. I'm not keen at all on that notion.

I've always been more keen on either romancing Aerie (sweet and sappy romance) or Viconia (oof, managing to convice a drow to drop being evil and going true neutral for me is an achievement), can't stomach her endcard though, which is why I'd only take that path again using mods that mess with it.
 

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I have literally never heard of these games..
The older Bioware titles like Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Knights of the Old Republic and Jade Empire? They are pretty great if you an get past the graphics and some of the mechanics jank, some of them became cult classics for a reason, and the rest are worth playing for any fan of the genre. Though maybe less so now, when classic CRPGs are experiencing a mini renaissance in AA segment.

What I like about that romance is the questline involved. The endcard you get for her after throne of Bhaal left me a bit miffed though.
You gotta forgive her, she has it hard, being an ADND druid and a multiclass one at that. If she was from 3d or 3.5 edition, she would have had all of her circle's business wrapped up before breakfast, and went right back to your bed. :catte:

I've always been more keen on either romancing Aerie (sweet and sappy romance)
The 14 y.o me that played BG 2 for the first time was so stupidly in love with Aerie, it's frankly embarrassing. I was really lucky at the time to completely miss out on recruiting a certain fiendish rogue and having to deal with the love triangle, heh. She was one of the reasons I actually got around to digging up AD&D tabletop systems, too. Not keeping her around simply wasn't an option, and so I needed to git gud to be able keep her weird hybrid build in my party at all times.

Never gotten around to seeing Viconia's romance. She is an undoubtedly sexy evil, but overall RPing her preferred alignment isn't very enjoyable to me in those proper old Bioware games. And I had no idea that you can actually drag her shapely pale behind towards the Light.
 
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And I had no idea can actually drag her shapely pale behind towards the Light.
Yeah, you can. It's very rough and difficult, as not being evil is not what she initially seeks in a lover. But, she is quite dissatisfied with how things have gone/are going for her in drow society. In the end she says she'll try to be a better person, and shifts to True Neutral.
 

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All the romance options in SDV are fine. Concerned Ape added a few more scenes for spouses a few months ago. Am hoping for more interactions with the children but who knows if that'll ever get implemented.