Foils

[Kokayi005]

I think all the games need a foil to the free-spirit free-love more hedonistic characters. Yeah it's a porn game but it helps to show how it looks from another angle.

Something I found in the original CoC that isn't really seen at all in the sequel or spin-offs are foils to the rampant over-sexed cast of monsters and villains and even heroes.

Other than that hot-headed mouse-lady in the old town ruins, Amily and Jojo, is there anyone else that's a foil to the sex crazed cast in the later games? Both are mice, I'm not sure if that's on purpose to be ironic or what. But it was a breath of fresh air. Right now I'm playing all 3 games at once and trying to make hero in all three what isn't an just flat out good. I know the games are written with the idea of party-animal-rock/porn star ideas in mind. But I just don't like that.

Sometimes you just want to have a romance and not it degrade, IMO, into hedonism or perversion. Like with the gargoyle in the cathedral. Another well written character who seems to have self respect and integrity. When I first played the games, years ago, I admit I latched on to any character in CoC or TitS with well written sex scenes and cool character art and female. But I wonder if I was just being too easy. Wasn't I being guilty of instant gratification? And for me, that's a no-no. Game or not.

When I make a character, they're never a saint, but they're never mean or shallow either. I just don't want to repeat that as I retry CoC, CoC2, and TitS now.

In closing, just like how a average Joe is often put into a super hero or action movie to show how a nobody would rise to the challenge or view crazy over the top events. I think the CoC2, and TitS games could benefit from taking a chapter out of the original's book and having more foils who find it odd or nasty to just stick their dick in everything.

 

[Kesil]

In a porn game, it's a logical thought that most, if not all characters, are sexable or eager to have sex. If you want to stay away from sex scenes, it can be done. I for one avoid a lot of smutty contents as they aren't up my alley. But I keep in mind that's not how these games are intended to play as.

Myself, I loathe the "sex/kinks/pleasure is evil" angle as much as the "haha, what a prude!" one. Sex/kinks/pleasure aren't bad or good. They simply are. One shouldn't automatically equate kinky smut to lack of self-respect or integrity, or asexuality/celibacy to whatever.

 

[Kokayi005]

It's not that I want to "stay away from sex scenes". It's that I don't want to be raped if I lose. I'd rather get a flat out game over.
Besides, I always thought it was more erotica than porn. Some stories in the games have genuine social commentary, or romance, or even non-trolling style comedy. I'm not a prude, I'm just don't feel right all the time with how scenarios play out. And I feel more foils would help the games feel more life like. Like how Bioware does their games.

Sure there's sex and romance. But it's tasteful and not degrading. If people want to play more mean or mischievous characters as the hero, that's fine. I'm not gonna shit on them for that. But MY HERO I make I don't want to be like that. To me a little kink goes a long way. I just wish I had that kind of control over the scenes. I've accidently done terrible stuff to the characters and couldn't take it back. That's on me, but if more characters were just living breathing people who were sex-based but just NPCs to add more personality and lore to the world that would be best to me. Sex is fine. But Garth never fucks you in CoC2 and I never complained. I didn't even want to fuck his daughter either out of respect to the character.

What I'm trying to say is: the answer to every dialogue chain doesn't need to end in "of course it is sex time now." And sometimes it can get pretty dark when all you wanted to do is talk to a person and the next option is always "okay fuck them to progress". If I wanted to be a one-woman man in the game, that doesn't seem possible. But if at least some NPCs were like that, it would at least be realistic.

 

[Kesil]

If people want to play more mean or mischievous characters as the hero, that's fine. I'm not gonna shit on them for that. But MY HERO I make I don't want to be like that.

You don't play "your hero". You play the Champion, just like you play Steele. You just choose how this character looks like and, to a minor extent, the behaviour.

I just wish I had that kind of control over the scenes.

You and me both. Sadly, see above.

've accidently done terrible stuff to the characters and couldn't take it back.

If CoC taught me one thing, was that of savescumming often.

'the answer to every dialogue chain doesn't need to end in "of course it is sex time now."

Again, Fengames are smut-focused. In other media, things depend on kids playing card games, training monsters or praying to weaken eldritch creatures. It's just how things are on these games. Or throwing money and/or hiring, if it's TiTS.

'But if at least some NPCs were like that, it would at least be realistic.

Realism is arbitrarily applied in the games. But if you're that interested, you can commission or write those characters yourself.

 

[Kokayi005]

I'm confident in my writing skills, but not for sex scenes. I'm no expert on sex since I'm a virgin. And I'm not Mr. Money-Bags to be throwing money at the makers of the game to shape new scenes.

I just want the option to what path the story goes down. I like romance and classy consenting sex. But not that darker stuff like rape and hate-fucking and shaming. And that stuff is popping up more and more. I just want to counter that with more compassionate and less sex-focused characters.

EDIT:
If the crew making these came out on record and said they're just doing those scenes to be edgy I could except it. But some scenes I just feel bad after reading. It's just too dark.

 

[Violent_Peace]

I think the real problem is that coc is just a different game than what Tits and Coc2 are.

For one, some if not a number of characters from coc feel like actual characters, while in tits and coc2 they mostly are a quick buck and click through scenes so you don't really have to read what they have to say and get your lust down.

In tits there is about only 3 characters that you can really love sensually and make you work up to sexing them, giving a romance feel.

I haven played Coc2 but kinda going from how tits was I don't believe that there probably is an npc yet that offers the romance experience.

No offense but you should probably play visual novels.

 

[Kokayi005]

I think the real problem is that coc is just a different game than what Tits and Coc2 are.
For one, some if not a number of characters from coc feel like actual characters, while in tits and coc2 they mostly are a quick buck and click through scenes so you don't really have to read what they have to say and get your lust down.
No offense but you should probably play visual novels.

Fair point. I felt that too. Especially with the gargoyle girl in the cathedral (who I named Utopia). I tried to get into these games the first time out of wanting to get out of my shell and stop being bashful. But the guilt I felt about the cast interaction pushed me away. Now, trying to dodge flat out porn but still really horny and still a virgin, I ended up coming right back here after what must have been 2 years away from it.

CoC seems like a D&D crossover with a pick a path book and link to the path. But once that took off, CoC2 and TitS went straight into more sex as much as possible. Which is why more interaction from the first two planet right off the bat is hardily romantic. More about just being fuck-buddies. And that's okay for some people. But I get into the games I play. And if I like a character and want to say wine 'n' dine them or marry, that's never even a option. It's just fuck them, fuck them a different way, then that's it. Because I think they think ultimately most people playing these games don't care to see these characters as people. They're just tools to fap to and forget about as you hop to the next sexual conquest.But I wasn't ever into that. I don't know if it's my overactive imagination or my guilty conscious or being too sensitive. But I never want to just hit and quit.

As for visual novels. IDK, I played Persona 5. That's about all I can stand. I liked dating in Persona games. But if a visual novel is nothing more than just drama and holding hands at the end, that's a little too weak even for someone as bashful as me. I still like fight scenes and shopping for gear and exploring dungeons and kissing and cuddling after sex. Or at least the idea of them.

 

[Violent_Peace]

Well tbh it is a porn game. It's quality went down in tits where it kinda just double downed with its sex and one of the few people who's a good example of how tits is, is Anno. They fuck everyone they meet if not on the first time meeting then the second, little personality but thrown up as the poster girl for tits and their sister is arguably better than them while being a little the same.

With coc2 and tits, I believe that the idea of sex is worthless even with procreation. What doesn't make sense in my opinion is why are there people in tits who want to rape you when pretty much anyone is dtf, just ask the right person after you meet them or just anyone and you'll get to have sex with them.

It would make more sense for enemies to just jump you for items you would have and just scram.

No matter what really it's worthless and sadly you can't even show affection in other ways besides that.

 

[Kokayi005]

Huh. I thought the poster girl for TITS was Kiro, TBH.
Yeah the rape thing is odd. Everyone is fucking everyone, why rape when you can get it by lots of willing people? Answer? I think some people in TITS are just into dominance so much they WANT to rape. Think about it: TITS is basically Sci-Fi CoC. So the people in TITS may be, in a way, tainted much like the CoC characters are corrupted/warped to be sex-focused. Their looks, their personality, even plant life is corrupted.

It's a turn on to some to have an edgy world like that. And tbh, I'm into that WORLD being that way. But there should always be those "islands in the storm" who resist and thrive un-corrupted despite the world. Who can have sex and not be ruled by it.

Just like a "badass normal" in an anime. Everyone else has powers and are super people and one guy or girl wins just by channeling their inner Batman. That's what these sequels and spin-offs need. Can someone see a bunch of people in an orgy and just once say "Ugh, no thanks. No STDs for me."

Cait in CoC2 I wanted to marry after I read she help keep you alive for a week without pay or anyone making her. But she's not into marriage she only want to fuck whoever whenever she's in the mood. I wanted to see if any characters added to the game of TITS allowed you marry them or just sit and chill and joke around for comedy scenes. But nope. None of that. There's no cuddling while binge watching Netflix. There's no "no woman man/woman" option to forsake all other companions as sex partners and just get exclusive with one woman. Not at all. If they could add that, I'd use it day one.

 

[Savin]

CoC1 ended development like 4 years ago at this point. Wrong forum to be posting your Cool Ideas in.

If you want to discuss how CoC1 could inform its successors, start threads in their respective forums about it so people interested in those games can read them.