Dawnsword quest all companion dialogues (Spoilers for 0.4.38)
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Something about some of the dialogue in this quest reminded me of something else... I can't put my finger on it. It was something I heard about a long time ago... in a place...far, far away.
I hope that princess doesn't turn out to be our long, lost sister...
I hope that princess doesn't turn out to be our long, lost sister...
I mean honestly the pure Dawnblade is a bit of a let down as far as stars go. It's actually comparable to the sanctified gladius, an item you can get at the very start of the game. In contrast, the corrupted downgrade is a lot more powerful. It's by far the strongest one handed weapon in the game. While it does have defensive penalties, and the dawnsword defensive benefits, the combat loop of the game favours dps over defensive abilities.
On top of that, the dawnsword's ability has (currently) very limited use due to the lack of ranged enemies.
I guess the bottom line is that I was a little disappointed by the dawnsword. The lore made it seem like a very powerful weapon but ultimately it falls short to other weapons in the game. I assume this is due to the decision to keep any weapon viable and so future weapons are designed to not completely outshine the competition (I personally disagree with this sentiment tbh).
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The Deflection ability is hilariously useless, for all intents and purposes it only exists to fill a meme. That being said, I still think the Dawnsword has its merits vs the Corrupt Dawnsword
First point is Blight damage vs Holy damage. Blight damage hits Beast taxonomy hard, yes, but it's resisted by Demon taxonomy, which looks to be a big one going forward. Holy damage meanwhile is excellent against demons. It also tends to nail ghosts, which are one of the more problematic groups for a weapon user.
Second point is yes, the present meta favours dps. But it's still worthwhile having defence, dps is no good if you're dead. The Dawnsword gives you damage better than any light weapon not named the Sanctified Gladius and buffs your defence while you're at it.
Third point, having the corruption to wield the Corrupted Dawnsword is mutually exclusive with wielding the Sanctified Gladius. The Dawnsword and the Sanctified Gladius are both light weapons. Therefore, you can be like my cool paladin and dual wield the Dawnsword and Sanctified Gladius, the second and third most damaging light weapons in the game. Also it's just a really cool aesthetic.
With all that said, the correct answer is clearly giving Liaden the Dawnsword and getting the Guldring. It's a ring that boosts Leadership, empowers spell damage, and directly leads to Lia and Azzy having better sex. What more do you want?
First point is Blight damage vs Holy damage. Blight damage hits Beast taxonomy hard, yes, but it's resisted by Demon taxonomy, which looks to be a big one going forward. Holy damage meanwhile is excellent against demons. It also tends to nail ghosts, which are one of the more problematic groups for a weapon user.
Second point is yes, the present meta favours dps. But it's still worthwhile having defence, dps is no good if you're dead. The Dawnsword gives you damage better than any light weapon not named the Sanctified Gladius and buffs your defence while you're at it.
Third point, having the corruption to wield the Corrupted Dawnsword is mutually exclusive with wielding the Sanctified Gladius. The Dawnsword and the Sanctified Gladius are both light weapons. Therefore, you can be like my cool paladin and dual wield the Dawnsword and Sanctified Gladius, the second and third most damaging light weapons in the game. Also it's just a really cool aesthetic.
With all that said, the correct answer is clearly giving Liaden the Dawnsword and getting the Guldring. It's a ring that boosts Leadership, empowers spell damage, and directly leads to Lia and Azzy having better sex. What more do you want?
I agree that Holy is useful against demons and ghosts, but like you said yourself blight is useful against beast taxonomy. I guess which is better will depend on the enemy types going forwards.
The meta heavily favours dps. This is also why builds that use sword and board are not as useful as two handed builds. While defence shouldn't be neglected there is sufficient equipment in the game for that. I just feel that the meager defence bonuses of dawnsword are not worth its loss in dps.
The fact that the dawnsword has no armor penetration is another factor. The sanctified gladius, the shorts word and the sharp sickle all are better in this regard.
As for whether or not Liaden should receive the sword, I guess that depends on several factors. How much content is she going to get going forwards? If she is a character that's going to be built up over several quests, that alone may be merit enough.
If you play as a holy paladin perhaps you would like the dawnsword yourself. Especially since the guldring is not useful to martial characters.
Doing the quest with Liaden, the narrative does seem to fit better if she gets the sword, the only exception to this being the duel. The narrative fits better if you select the duel option, however this also locks Liaden out of getting the sword.
What does that summon do exactly?
(And while we're on the subject, does anyone recall what the Patrician Mask's/Ring of Fate's abilities are? I'm trying to compare stats before doing the relevant quests.)
I find it deeply amusing that a single-player game can be referred to having a meta, but I won't challenge the notion, that ship sailed at least a decade ago.
I tend to run heavily "off-meta" for this game and seem to be the only person in the world running hard defense, so the Holy version looks far better to me. On top of this, Holy is the most valuable damage type for me because the only thing I'd ever have trouble defeating is a particular demon. That's why the defensive ability offering ridiculous overprotection for an attack type no one could ever care about didn't change my view of the weapon, though it would be nice if it had a better passive.
I suppose there's a chance I could run the corrupted version for the summon then switch out on turns where I'm not hitting hard, but it's hard to imagine a summon more generally useful than the spirit wolf.
Guldring looks strong, but I'd be happier with it if the bonus damage wasn't fire. Too many critters shrug that off.
It's got a whole host of Powers to throw at the enemy, is what it does. Eviscerate, Power Wave, Blood Let and Driving Thrust.
You don't get a choice to obtain the Ring of Fate or not, it's given to you in every possible quest outcome that isn't a Bad End and it can't be dropped or sold. It halves all Corruption gain and prevents you from going over 99. It doesn't prevent the existing Corruption-gated Bad Ends but in theory it would prevent any future ones that are gated behind max Corruption. Ring of Fate also has a 'hidden' feature but we don't know the exact parameters of it yet. If you take the Jade Teardrop back after using it to open the door, you'll combine it with the Ring after the quest is done upon equipping the ring and the next time after that when you sleep, you'll encounter the spirit of the woman whose tomb you found the Teardrop in to begin with, unlocking the Summon Talsenne ability. It's currently unusable due to being a Level 7 power but from the context we can guess that she's probably going to have some Storm damage abilities.
Patrician's Mask prevents Overburdened.
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The corrupted dawnsword's summon especially just summons the sword to fight with you. It becomes it's own entity.
While I don't remember the special ability of the patrician mask, the ring of fate halves all corruption gains as well as prevents you from reaching 100 corruption ( you stop at 99). Additionally if you go to sleep you will gain the ability to summon the original owner of the ring (level 7 summon).
As far as the meta goes, it's just that the game clearly favours certain playstyles over other, with the mist common one being that high dsp builds are effectively better than defensive builds. But I digress.
My main petpeev with the dawnblade is just how much better the corrupted version.
For starters it has a base damage of 45. For a one handed weapon this is incredible. For reference this is the same value as the swift sword (a two handed weapon), and just below the highest base damage weapons of 50. Couple that with a 15 accuracy, armor penetration and crit, and this weapon is very competitive with a variety of two handed weapons. Beyond that you either choose to equip a shield, which will pretty much negate the defensive penalty as well as provide crit protection, or equip a second light weapon which might allow you to outdamage the best two handed weapons.
By comparison the dawnblade has a base damage of 35, which is standard for one handed weapons, and no armor penetration. Admittedly Holy damage is better than blight, however the difference in base damage, as well as the fact that beast type enemies are more frequent that demon (at least for now) means that this advantage is lessened.
Bottom line for me is that corrupted dawnsword has better stats, and a better ability.
As already mentioned, over half that damage is Blight-based so while it looks incredible when fighting Beast-type enemies and really good against most others, its effective damage against Demon-type enemies is going to be crippled to hell by their base 75 resistance. That means that against what by all indications is going to be the prevalent enemy type in the later game including the game's main antagonist, the Corrupted Dawnsword's actual base damage is going to more like 26.
The pure Dawnsword vs. Demons on the other hand has an effective attack power of 55, due to that -100 Holy Resist. So it's a situational thing and neither is objectively 'the best' option. Not to mention that not everybody is going to care about optimizing their numbers in any particular way, especially when the Corrupted Dawnsword requires you to be a Dark Knight to obtain it.
Don't worry I understand that.
If demonic enemies become a lot more prevalent then that's fine. It all depends on what enemies we face going forwards. I'm just saying that right now the corrupted dawnsword is definitely a better weapon.
Regardless, my argument was that I found the dawnsword underpowered for what it is supposed to be. I don't play as a dark knight so finishing that quest to get special Holy sword was quite underwhelming, especially when I saw what it's corrupted self was like.
I'm not sure if that's true. I know that you need to be a Dark Knight to get the Corrupted Dawnsword but is it actually locked to be only wieldable by high-corruption characters?
Couldn't you just pray the gray away with Sanders after getting it and use it and the Sanctified Gladius?
Both the Dawnsword and Corrupted Dawnsword will unequip and refuse to equip if you don't have the right personality.
Oh, I didn't actually know that. Mostly because I haven't done a corrupt walkthrough yet. Good to know though.
First off, I appreciate the info on the items from all of y’all.
Eh, that depends on your definition of “better.” There are many ways of making damage builds that keep you from dying but, ime, very few combos of defensive builds that do that, though they exist. If your goal is to clear each mob as turn-quickly as possible, then I’d agree that between those two concepts, damage is better. If that’s not a parameter, then the few defense builds are equal to the many damage builds and the defense builds are even superior to some of the damage builds becaues there’s only one fight in the game that a defense build can even conceivably lose to — and that one fight is only cleared by damage builds that are literally nerfed by the devs in order to stop said builds from clearing that fight. (I’m not even sure if damage builds can win that fight now due to said nerfs — I need to test whether or not a a new defensive build I’m toying with can, but I doubt it.)
Meanwhile damage builds can still sometimes lose to tough fights.
Either way, it’s still a fairly narrow field. Many damage types are meh and Resolve damage still sucks (and, imo, focusing on hybridizing the latter will make for a better game).
Hm. That's not even a problem that I'd hope needed solving in a porn game where you can breed infinite children, but okays. The only real advantage it has over Helm of Heroes is if you're trying to dodge the Heavy tag from the latter.
Eh, that depends on your definition of “better.” There are many ways of making damage builds that keep you from dying but, ime, very few combos of defensive builds that do that, though they exist. If your goal is to clear each mob as turn-quickly as possible, then I’d agree that between those two concepts, damage is better. If that’s not a parameter, then the few defense builds are equal to the many damage builds and the defense builds are even superior to some of the damage builds becaues there’s only one fight in the game that a defense build can even conceivably lose to — and that one fight is only cleared by damage builds that are literally nerfed by the devs in order to stop said builds from clearing that fight. (I’m not even sure if damage builds can win that fight now due to said nerfs — I need to test whether or not a a new defensive build I’m toying with can, but I doubt it.)
Meanwhile damage builds can still sometimes lose to tough fights.
Either way, it’s still a fairly narrow field. Many damage types are meh and Resolve damage still sucks (and, imo, focusing on hybridizing the latter will make for a better game).
Hm. That's not even a problem that I'd hope needed solving in a porn game where you can breed infinite children, but okays. The only real advantage it has over Helm of Heroes is if you're trying to dodge the Heavy tag from the latter.
Well, the patrician mask is good if you don't want to use any of Evergreen's services. Considering Evergreen is kind of a questionable character not everyone may want to rely on Evergreen. Good for those who don't want to pay too much money or give the child to Evergreen. Also, the game seems to keep track of how many of Evergreen's services pc has bought not sure how significant that'll be whenever Evergreen's story is expanded.
Where is this dialogue from? Is there an event after the quest that triggers or was I just not paying enough attention to the dialogue at the end of the quest
It's after, when the paladins from Barania come to see you and give you the Guldring and one of your companions talks to you about it.
Ah, right. I think I switched Azyrran out of my party before they arrived, which explains why I never saw it.
I think I saw Atugia's dialogue instead