Berwyn Being Removed

[BootyisLove]

I'm sure there's already plenty of this stuff out there, but I just need to ask.
Why was Berwyn really removed? They are a finished character now which means the only real thing you needed to do was make sure their code was up to date so why take them off the companion roster?? If you ask me the dev didn't think this through at all. They reacted poorly to someone from the community leaving and damaged their game because of it. Berwyn as a npc at this point is basically a waste of space now. His bad ending being gone, him not being able to impregnate you is gone, the only time you can see him after the final quest is by going out of your way to set up a camp or when future updates come out, find him at some random tavern or location only for basic sex. Why give me the ability to change him into what I like if I only see him by going out of my way? What's the point if nothing fun happens with him anymore?

This is just my thoughts on the matter. I hope you can understand why this doesn't make sense.

 

[WolframL]

I mean, Savin kind of explained this right there in the patch notes...

You’ve probably already noticed that while Berwyn always had a dearth of content outside himself compared to most of the cast, your dogboy companion has gotten little to no new support in quests and events over the last year. Berwyn’s original writer left the community some time ago, and I brought B! onboard to finish his character arc off with the aplomb only a writer of his caliber can. However, I made the decision that it would be unfair to burden another writer with an extra companion. Rather, we’ll be transitioning him into a normal NPC.

He was in no way a 'finished character'; he had almost no content outside his one quest aside from with the Champ, which is explicitly the kind of bubble character that companions are not supposed to be like. To get him up to the level of engagement that he should have been at would have been a major undertaking in and of itself, much less adding that engagement to everything else that has been or will be written. You are massively underestimating the amount of work it would take.

Also bear in mind that Berry was somebody else's character, so not only would it have been a shitton of work but it would have to be done by somebody who is not as invested in him as the original author. Forcing someone to support two companion-level characters wouldn't be fair on its own, having one of those two be another character you're not as invested in would have been even more of a burden on whoever got the job.

 

[The Observer]

They are a finished character

By their very definition, companions cannot be finished until the end of the game. Taking him off the list is what actually allowed him to be finished.

 

[Bast]

When delete game?

 

[BootyisLove]

I mean, Savin kind of explained this right there in the patch notes...

He was in no way a 'finished character'; he had almost no content outside his one quest aside from with the Champ, which is explicitly the kind of bubble character that companions are not supposed to be like. To get him up to the level of engagement that he should have been at would have been a major undertaking in and of itself, much less adding that engagement to everything else that has been or will be written. You are massively underestimating the amount of work it would take.

Also bear in mind that Berry was somebody else's character, so not only would it have been a shitton of work but it would have to be done by somebody who is not as invested in him as the original author. Forcing someone to support two companion-level characters wouldn't be fair on its own, having one of those two be another character you're not as invested in would have been even more of a burden on whoever got the job.

I get the original creator left but again his story is over. Adding a few panels or a very short side quest for berwyn in the future doesn't mean he's not finished. Also as long as it takes for updates to come out, adding a few panels of dialog isn't a big undertaking. The majority of what this person would be doing is adding content for their main character and making sure berwyn functions with the new version. Savin could have gave a better reason as to why they took berwyn out other than "it's a burden".

 

[BootyisLove]

By their very definition, companions cannot be finished until the end of the game. Taking him off the list is what actually allowed him to be finished.

Not true. Even if the game isn't finished, his story is. The most you do with him at this point is update his code. And if you choose to do an event/side quest with him, take a little bit extra time. It's not hard. Cutting corners doesn't solve problems, it just makes people confused and angry.

 

[AStrangeGeek]

I get the original creator left but again his story is over. Adding a few panels or a very short side quest for berwyn in the future doesn't mean he's not finished. Also as long as it takes for updates to come out, adding a few panels of dialog isn't a big undertaking. The majority of what this person would be doing is adding content for their main character and making sure berwyn functions with the new version. Savin could have gave a better reason as to why they took berwyn out other than "it's a burden".

I'm not sure you really read WolframL's post. The amount of effort that goes into a companion -- something that has been confirmed over and over again by multiple people -- means that, yes, it IS a huge burden to take over someone else's companion. Take it from me, someone who had done a bunch of writing himself: you have to be really invested in your character to do it justice. I could never take another author's work and write stuff for their characters. It would always be second-class work. Savin does NOT want second-class work for the game's companions.

 

[BootyisLove]

I get the original creator left but again his story is over. Adding a few panels or a very short side quest for berwyn in the future doesn't mean he's not finished. Also as long as it takes for updates to come out, adding a few panels of dialog isn't a big undertaking. The majority of what this person would be doing is adding content for their main character and making sure berwyn functions with the new version. Savin could have gave a better reason as to why they took berwyn out other than "it's a burden".

Also

I'm not sure you really read WolframL's post. The amount of effort that goes into a companion -- something that has been confirmed over and over again by multiple people -- means that, yes, it IS a huge burden to take over someone else's companion. Take it from me, someone who had done a bunch of writing himself: you have to be really invested in your character to do it justice. I could never take another author's work and write stuff for their characters. It would always be second-class work. Savin does NOT want second-class work for the game's companions.

How is it a burden if his story is finished though? Because you need to check his code? Because they plan on adding events with the fox? I mean if they add a side quest or an event, then they can take EXTRA TIME to release the update. It doesn't have to all come out at once like you people apparently assume it has to. I think you need to read more deeply into what you're about to say before you come at someone. There are multiple path they could have took to make it work and they chose the easiest one.
They took a character with a lot of potential and halved that potential for no reason.

 

[The Observer]

Not true. Even if the game isn't finished, his story is. The most you do with him at this point is update his code. And if you choose to do an event/side quest with him, take a little bit extra time. It's not hard. Cutting corners doesn't solve problems, it just makes people confused and angry.

Nonsense. Companions require updating throughout the entire story with participation in major quests and events - this is explicitly stated in the relevant posts I made years ago on the matter. Companion writers are expected to provide such support for the entirety of the game's life; while there were some issues with Atugia and Quin to keeping to such commitments, their writers are still around and the latter just received much support last patch. So long as the game isn't done, a companion cannot be finished by definition. I helped to formulate this decision way back when it was just Savin and me planning out this project, I should know.

Neither was his personal story complete -- the plot thread regarding Matiha with her tower vanishing was kept hanging after his initial recruitment quest, so you're wrong there as well.

 

[BootyisLove]

I get the original creator left but again his story is over. Adding a few panels or a very short side quest for berwyn in the future doesn't mean he's not finished. Also as long as it takes for updates to come out, adding a few panels of dialog isn't a big undertaking. The majority of what this person would be doing is adding content for their main character and making sure berwyn functions with the new version. Savin could have gave a better reason as to why they took berwyn out other than "it's a burden".

It has come to my attention through the people who are replying to my post that you don't get how they update their game.

Whenever a 100mb update comes out there's a chance that a follower usually receives new stuff. If you played TiTs or coc2 you will probably get what I'm saying. After said character get that update, they usually don't see a new update for 3 maybe 4 updates. Now I don't know about you but to me that makes sense. So applying that knowledge to Berwyn and what I've been saying, by any means how is that a burden? If you need the extra time which again, if you played TiTs you know these devs love taking EXTRA time to update 1 or 2 characters, then take the extra time!

I'm sure that you probably won't get this at all and will probably resite something a dev has said or give me a half thought out response, but if you do by some chance understand what I'm saying then thank you :].
If not well then whatever :]. At this point I can see people are only reading maybe half of what I said and aren't actually giving me good replies or answers other than assuming I didn't read the patch notes and that I'm just an angry bum, but I did try to explain why I'm confused and honestly I just give up. Have a good one peeps :].

 

[B]

Imagine posts like this, but for fifteen months straight

 

[The Observer]

It has come to my attention through the people who are replying to my post that you don't get how they update their game.

Whenever a 100mb update comes out there's a chance that a follower usually receives new stuff. If you played TiTs or coc2 you will probably get what I'm saying. After said character get that update, they usually don't see a new update for 3 maybe 4 updates. Now I don't know about you but to me that makes sense. So applying that knowledge to Berwyn and what I've been saying, by any means how is that a burden? If you need the extra time which again, if you played TiTs you know these devs love taking EXTRA time to update 1 or 2 characters, then take the extra time!

I'm sure that you probably won't get this at all and will probably resite something a dev has said or give me a half thought out response, but if you do by some chance understand what I'm saying then thank you :].
If not well then whatever :]. At this point I can see people are only reading maybe half of what I said and aren't actually giving me good replies or answers other than assuming I didn't read the patch notes and that I'm just an angry bum, but I did try to explain why I'm confused and honestly I just give up. Have a good one peeps :].

Imagine lecturing a dev on how the game is updated.

 

[TheDevilYouKnow]

Feel free to go write for Berwyn yourself. You seem to think it's so easy so why not? Go on, I'll wait.

 

[AStrangeGeek]

Reminds me a lot of people I've argued with at the office over the years, the ones who come to me saying "but this can't be hard to implement at all, should take you a day or two to program, tops!"

Right.

 

[Animalistic]

I mean, B made that prospect more complicated than it needed to be. Considering the parser soup current Berwyn is Still, I may try submitting one.

 

[Savin]

I'm sure that you probably won't get this at all

Probably because that's not how.... anything.... works?